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4/12/2007  1:12 PM
Im from this generation. And the problem I can tell you is that there isn't enough african american leadership. And not enough parents taking care of there children.

The role models and leadership that our generation follows are the people they see on TV & listen to on the radio. But there hardly is any exposure for the african americans that are successfull or rich based on there education, especially for our generation, and especially compared to the exposure that rappers & athletes get. As Tv & Radio is for entertainment and rap & sports are entertainment. For women a lot the leaders they follow are the singers. A women like Beyonce has so much power over young women of hip hop culture.

We need more african american men/women who are rich and successful based on there education. We need more african american men who have that education to be put in more positions of power. And we need those african american men/women to be glorified for there accomplishments as much as the entertainers on TV & radio. Thats the best way to sell education to the hip hop generation and future generations. Becuase to a lot of young adults. Rap and selling drugs is ALL THEY KNOW.

They also see guys like Jay Z who is now able to create a great life from selling drugs, to rap, to selling clothing apparell and many other hustles, to now being the CEO of Def Jam , and now being part owner of the Nets. So kids who follow his story now think that maybe they can sell drugs, and be a rapper in order to get there shot at being rich and famous and getting power to do other things. Instead of trying to do it through schooling. Same thing with 50cent and many others. Because these are the guys that are glorified on TV & Radio to my generation. I don't see shows on the guy who went to school for 10yrs to be a doctor. Or 8yrs to be a lawyer. Or 6yrs to be a teach. And there probably won't be any as they are not entertaining. And since my generation grows up on TV. We are more influenced by the figures like Jay Z & 50cent or Lebron James & DWade. Rather than any doctor or lawyer or teacher.

Tony Dungy & Lovie Smith both fighting to be the first african american coaches to win a superbowl was huge step in that direction of showing that african american men can be successfull in positons of power to the world. And they might open up more doors for more african american men to hold more positions of power. Then its up to those african americans to lead the right way.

Sometimes through my experiences I have felt that whites see blacks here primarly for there entertainment.

I remember when I was in highschool one of my white associates (not knowing any better). Told me I wasn't black because I wasn't loud, or allways dancing etc... Like that was what being black is all about.
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4/12/2007  1:17 PM
Also there are a lot of weak rappers out there that nobody listens to. So when you want to talk about raps influence you have to talk about the superstars.

I doubt a group like Nappy heads words hold any weight at all or have any influence over a kid compared to a guy like Jay z or 50cent.
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

We need more african american men/women who are rich and successful based on there education. We need more african american men who have that education to be put in more positions of power. And we need those african american men/women to be glorified for there accomplishments as much as the entertainers on TV & radio. Thats the best way to sell education to the hip hop generation and future generations. Becuase to a lot of young adults. Rap and selling drugs is ALL THEY KNOW.

I have to relate this back to my childhood. As I said before, I attended a school where White kids were the minority. I ain't gonna front like it was the most ghetto school ever, but it had it's nastier elements... Anyway, one thing that always blew me away was that kids were being persecuted for getting good grades. It was actually something that people were ashamed of. I don't know where that comes from. I don't know why it exists. But this was the case at my predominantly Black and Hispanic school. This absolutely has to change. Kids can't live in fear of being beat up or made fun of for excelling in school. I'm not saying that this is an exclusively minority problem. Who knows? Maybe it's more of a class issue than a race issue. No matter what type of issue it is -- it has to change.
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Posted by eViL:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

We need more african american men/women who are rich and successful based on there education. We need more african american men who have that education to be put in more positions of power. And we need those african american men/women to be glorified for there accomplishments as much as the entertainers on TV & radio. Thats the best way to sell education to the hip hop generation and future generations. Becuase to a lot of young adults. Rap and selling drugs is ALL THEY KNOW.

I have to relate this back to my childhood. As I said before, I attended a school where White kids were the minority. I ain't gonna front like it was the most ghetto school ever, but it had it's nastier elements... Anyway, one thing that always blew me away was that kids were being persecuted for getting good grades. It was actually something that people were ashamed of. I don't know where that comes from. I don't know why it exists. But this was the case at my predominantly Black and Hispanic school. This absolutely has to change. Kids can't live in fear of being beat up or made fun of for excelling in school. I'm not saying that this is an exclusively minority problem. Who knows? Maybe it's more of a class issue than a race issue. No matter what type of issue it is -- it has to change.

Evil, I think this is subjective. I went to a private school that was predominantly white and saw the same thing. Kids that strived for excellent grades were called nerds and not considered part of the "in crowd". I think it is part of a social issue in this country.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 12-04-2007 1:40 PM]
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

We need more african american men/women who are rich and successful based on there education. We need more african american men who have that education to be put in more positions of power. And we need those african american men/women to be glorified for there accomplishments as much as the entertainers on TV & radio. Thats the best way to sell education to the hip hop generation and future generations. Becuase to a lot of young adults. Rap and selling drugs is ALL THEY KNOW.

I have to relate this back to my childhood. As I said before, I attended a school where White kids were the minority. I ain't gonna front like it was the most ghetto school ever, but it had it's nastier elements... Anyway, one thing that always blew me away was that kids were being persecuted for getting good grades. It was actually something that people were ashamed of. I don't know where that comes from. I don't know why it exists. But this was the case at my predominantly Black and Hispanic school. This absolutely has to change. Kids can't live in fear of being beat up or made fun of for excelling in school. I'm not saying that this is an exclusively minority problem. Who knows? Maybe it's more of a class issue than a race issue. No matter what type of issue it is -- it has to change.

Evil, I think this is subjective. I went to a private school that was predominantly white and saw the same thing. Kids that strived for excellent grades were called nerds and not considered part of the "in crowd". I think it is part of a social issue in this country.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 12-04-2007 1:40 PM]

I can see that -- very good point.
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4/12/2007  1:50 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - with all due respect to your lyrics search, if people don't want to support Nappy Headz they don't buy their product.

Misterearl, with all due respect to your radio search, if people don't want to support Imus, then don't listen to his show. However, you and many others called for much worse.

How again is that different? Oh right, welcome to double-standards-ville.

If nappy is such an outrageous and vile insult, surely a group with the word IN ITS NAME would incite DIRE outrage from all. Where's the outrage?

(Once again, not a defense of Imus. Before someone says anything to the like [again], I'll continue reminding that I'm not defending Imus in any way shape or form, just confused at the obvious inconsistencies.)

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 12 2007 1:54 PM]
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4/12/2007  1:52 PM
At Martin's request...

http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/national/index.ssf?/base/national-83/1176345622101710.xml&storylist=national
Pa. DJ fired for repeating Imus comments
4/11/2007, 10:30 p.m. EDT
By MICHAEL RUBINKAM
The Associated Press

ALLENTOWN, Pa. (AP) — A radio station fired its longtime morning DJ Wednesday after he encouraged listeners to repeat talk-show host Don Imus' racially charged comments in an on-air contest.

Gary Smith told WSBG-FM listeners to call and say "I'm a nappy-headed ho" for Tuesday's "Phrase that Pays" contest, said Rick Musselman, executive vice president of station owner Nassau Broadcasting Partners L.P.

Musselman said three of the listeners who called were awarded tickets to a NASCAR promotion at a local club.

Station management reviewed a tape of the broadcast of the "Gary in the Morning" show and fired Smith, Musselman said.

Musselman said that Smith was fired and not suspended because he uttered the slur in a premeditated manner, "with full knowledge of the reaction to Don Imus' use of the exact same phrase."

Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Smith for comment were unsuccessful. But he told The Morning Call of Allentown he regretted the comment.

"What I said was stupid, and I'm sorry," Smith told the newspaper.

MSNBC dropped its simulcast of Imus' nationally syndicated radio program on Wednesday amid a furor over the remarks. Imus called members of the mostly black Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos," prompting civil rights groups to demand his firing. He is suspended from the program for two weeks beginning Monday.

WSBG 93.5, a 3,000-watt rock station, is based in Stroudsburg, about 40 miles northeast of Allentown. The Princeton, N.J.-based Nassau is privately held with more than 50 radio stations in the Northeast.

Oh dear. Now this guy is an idiot.
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4/12/2007  2:04 PM
LOL, watching MSNBC now and they are at the Rutgers campus interviewing students on whether MSNBC should have fired Don Imus. Something is not right about that but I am not familiar with media ethics. In addition, they have been asking their black employees if the firing was right. Very weird.
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4/12/2007  2:37 PM
Remember Andrew Dice Clay? His schtick was that he was a white throwback 1950's style wife-beater. I found him pretty funny. I don't recall if he was racist or not but he was very profane and extremely mysogenistic. The women's groups hated him and got him banned from MTV. When he hosted SNL in protest Sinéad O'Connor and Nora Dunn refused to appear.

However rappers embraced him, quoted him in songs, and they've taken his schtick a lot farther, but what female entertainers dare protest? They'd be seen as un-hip or racist.

I think there is a certain amount of "this is our business, so STFU" that goes on in the black community, and even those blacks who protest get painted as uncle toms or out of touch. It appears an impenetrable box.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 2:46 PM]
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Posted by BlueSeats:

When he hosted SNL in protest Sinéad O'Connor and Nora Dunn refused to appear.

by that result alone he did his service to mankind.
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I don't see the connection between art and what Imus is all about. Someone's artistic expression might be lame and arguably have no artistic merit, but how can Andrew Dice Clay be banned from the MTV awards. Wouldn't he just not be hired?

And there is a time and place and market for these different artists and their schtick. Imus picked the wrong time, place and market. Also, Imus is MAINSTREAM, these rappers might be huge, and listened to by the sons of the mainstream, but it isn't mainstream, and their lyrics are bleeped out when they venture into the mainstream time, place and market.

Also, a band called Nappy Headz are black men making fun of themselves or basking in the glory of their nappy-headedness. Imus meant the language as a put down towards others.

Also, it DOES depend on who says something. Whites invented the language to go along with the rewards and punishments to make slavery a successful institution in this country for hundreds of years. Putting white women on a pedestal and degrading black women and belittling black men was serious business. It's only within the last 35 years that there have been mass produced popular examples of black people subverting all this and putting it on it's head. I realize that 35 years is a lot longer than many Americans have been alive, so it seems like it would be fun if white people could play too because Chappelle is funny and 50 cent is badass, but it just isn't that funny when whites make fun of blacks. And then it seems like when whites making fun of blacks gets critized, instead of saying yeah, well, the history of all this was pretty intense and messed up, they say, "Well, then blacks shouldn't be able to say this stuff because that's not fair." I don't get it.

It's like when you're having a discussion about slavery and a white person is real quick to add, yeah, but Africans had slaves too and it was the tribal leaders who often sold them off to the slave traders. That is true, but it avoids the issue of why american blacks would still be pissed about having their ancestors work as hard as anybody and all for the wealth of whites, then slavery ends, and blacks get nothing but some acres and some mules, then it takes another hundred years to have your right to vote protected, and then blacks start getting laughs saying the N word or making fun of white people and already it's like, "Heh, come on show some respect. That isn't right. We're not going to have to enslave you again are we?"

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4/12/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im from this generation. And the problem I can tell you is that there isn't enough african american leadership. And not enough parents taking care of there children.


Tony Dungy & Lovie Smith both fighting to be the first african american coaches to win a superbowl was huge step in that direction of showing that african american men can be successfull in positons of power to the world. And they might open up more doors for more african american men to hold more positions of power. Then its up to those african americans to lead the right way.

Sometimes through my experiences I have felt that whites see blacks here primarly for there entertainment.

Just a side note, both Dungy and Lovie Smith are Christian men with Values.

Maybe that's how we turn it around as a people.

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4/12/2007  3:26 PM
>>If nappy is such an outrageous and vile insult...

Solace - you need to check your math.

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4/12/2007  3:26 PM
That's a very good post Ghandi.

I've been pretty negative in this thread, and I should probably thank people for tolerating me as well as they have, but I'd like to add one very significant positive.

I don't know about anyone else, but putting aside whatever one's political feelings are, I'm excited by the fact that folks like Hillary Clinton, Collin Powell, and Barack Obama are pretty viable presidential candidates.
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4/12/2007  3:26 PM
One of my favorite groups is Nappy Rootz
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If you haven't listened to their music you are missing Anthony Hamilton at his uncut soulful best

outstanding arrangements and critically acclaimed

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Remember Andrew Dice Clay? His schtick was that he was a white throwback 1950's style wife-beater. I found him pretty funny. I don't recall if he was racist or not but he was very profane and extremely mysogenistic. The women's groups hated him and got him banned from MTV. When he hosted SNL in protest Sinéad O'Connor and Nora Dunn refused to appear.

However rappers embraced him, quoted him in songs, and they've taken his schtick a lot farther, but what female entertainers dare protest? They'd be seen as un-hip or racist.

I think there is a certain amount of "this is our business, so STFU" that goes on in the black community, and even those blacks who protest get painted as uncle toms or out of touch. It appears an impenetrable box.

[Edited by - blueseats on 04-12-2007 2:46 PM]

What rapper(s) embraced him? What songs were they?
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Posted by playa2:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Im from this generation. And the problem I can tell you is that there isn't enough african american leadership. And not enough parents taking care of there children.


Tony Dungy & Lovie Smith both fighting to be the first african american coaches to win a superbowl was huge step in that direction of showing that african american men can be successfull in positons of power to the world. And they might open up more doors for more african american men to hold more positions of power. Then its up to those african americans to lead the right way.

Sometimes through my experiences I have felt that whites see blacks here primarly for there entertainment.

Just a side note, both Dungy and Lovie Smith are Christian men with Values.

Maybe that's how we turn it around as a people.


Yes, I'm pretty sure the fact that Dungy & Smith are christians with values is a huge reason why they are successfull leaders.
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4/12/2007  4:12 PM
Bip, Jason Whitlock is on MSNBC now.
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Whitlock is lost. He said the Duke players were soccer players. Bip, he is indeed a bad journalist.
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