Posted by joec32033:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:

I said it last night--the Knicks shouldve stayed in their zone defense for large chunks of games for the time being. Even the small period where they went back to zone worked. They lost because they turned the ball over repeatedly and didnt play good D until to late.
Boooooooooooooooooo

the zone woulda helped, but maybe the Knicks couldn't hear their coach through all the cat-calls.

then again, this revelation that Mardy Collins is the one teaching the Knicks the zone is kind of pathetic.

So, instead of signing one, Isiah drafted a defensive coordinator?!?

I guess... maybe Mardy can be player/coach next year?

Posted by BRIGGS:

This is the stupidest post of the year nominee.

Coming from you that's a compliment, for the same reason I wouldn't want Stalin to think I'm a great guy. If you catch my drift.

Blame it on the fans--Ive heard it all now! Let me see--- from first hand experience of going to over 500-600+ Knick home games in my life--NY Knick fans are VERY fair and waiting for ANY flickering light to turn on for the team. The Knicks cant go down 15 points at home every game and hope that fans paying a lot of money arent going to get antsy and angry at periods. The Knicks play well-the fans are behind them--the Knicks play like sht--fans let them know about it. Stop making excuses as this one takes 10 cakes!

OK Briggs, just give me a reasonable explanation for why the Knicks are so much worse at home than on the road so far-- an explanation that does not involve the negative atmosphere at MSG. Let's hear it.

Maybe the Knicks could arrange to play home games somewhere else?

Posted by simrud:

There is a very simple explanation of why Knicks suck so bad at MSG. They suck in general! And 8 games on the road is not a good enough sample for you to tell me that they are somehow better on the road. I have 5 years of sucking to base my assertion on.

...but only 15 games of Balkmania!

NY has an average point differential of -3.9 at home, compared to +0.75 at home. And point differentials are great predictors of actual W/L success. If the differentials at home and on the road were comparable, then you could chalk up the different records to chance like simrud wants to. But they're not comparable, which indicates that the worse home record is not a fluke. The Knicks have been systematically worse at home than on the road.

Posted by crzymdups:

yeah, but, but... they suck!

Unbelievable-- so just because they suck, that means that they suck? Stop making excuses!

Posted by BlueSeats:

even the players knew coming into the season it was THEIR job to win back the fans. they sure worked hard at it with words and hype, but the fans expect it in deeds.

There's no problem with that. The problem I have is that the fans are just booing at the drop of a hat now. Other team goes on a run, boos rain down. Teams always go on runs though. Something is wrong here.

But beyond the issue of what the fans should or should not do, there is also the matter of what effect that has on team play. Whether you think the Knicks deserve to be booed like they have or not, it's pretty hard to deny that the negative atmosphere at MSG hasn't been conducive to productive play.

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by BlueSeats:

even the players knew coming into the season it was THEIR job to win back the fans. they sure worked hard at it with words and hype, but the fans expect it in deeds.

There's no problem with that. The problem I have is that the fans are just booing at the drop of a hat now. Other team goes on a run, boos rain down. Teams always go on runs though. Something is wrong here.

hard to say, not being at the games. tonight i saw a lot of bad plays in the 1st quarter that i thought might draw boos but they didn't, i think because some defensive effort was there. seemed the boos started in the 2nd when we really caved in under adversity.

i also percieve that marbury and curry are the precipitators of the boos, then it snowballs. i really think if they were not starters the crowd would be more patient.

that said, i also think much of it is directed at isiah, and much of thaqt a result of his handling of brown and the aftermath: the blame, excuses, hype and coddling.

right now the fans are simply not enamored of many of the key protagonists of this team. they love the franchise but not this assemblage. i think the fans feel the team ripped them off last year and they feel disenfranchised by the team. they feel the team owes them, not the other way around, and they feel the team is not giving them what they deserve, so why should they in return.

But beyond the issue of what the fans should or should not do, there is also the matter of what effect that has on team play. Whether you think the Knicks deserve to be booed like they have or not, it's pretty hard to deny that the negative atmosphere at MSG hasn't been conducive to productive play.

i understand the argument, and it may have some validity, but i can also tell you i was a long time season ticket holder in the 90's, and the fans booed some weak performances, particularly in the Nelson and Van Gundy eras, and particularly when the team would often come out flat in weekend/holiday afternoon games (i think the knicks were late sleepers.) i can't remember a single game that i didn't perceive the team to take motivation from the boos. even if they didn't, they still rise to the occasion, but never did we have to feel that we'd cripple them by booing. IMHO, having to treat these guys with kid-gloves and try everything in the world to find something that works for them only adds to the crowds frustration.

Posted by nixluva:

This team really needs a focus on the court. It would be nice if guys like Steph, Francis or Jamal provided that, but so far none of them have been able to consistently do that. What I don't understand is that last night they saw how to make this offense work better and tonight they just refused to run the offense. It's crazy!!!! Jamal got caught making dumb plays again. Francis I think just tried to do too much. i'm not as upset with him, cuz he did a LOT to help this team tonight. He just picked a bad time to make a mistake. BUT he was actually TRYING to win the game.

One thing I noticed that I didn't like was what Steph did when he came in the game. His body language was horrible. He was making the initial pass as he should, but THEN he would just come to a stop and didn't do anything after that. He just gave up on the set. No more motion or hustle to get the ball back if he saw the play faltering. He just let his arms hang and you could clearly see that he was saying, you just want me to pass OK... That's NOT what I want to see from this guy.

If we had Steph actively involved in the games, along with Francis, I think that would really help this team. From what I saw tonight he didn't want any part of that. I don't blame the loss on him, cuz clearly to start the game there was equal bad play from everyone, but later in the game when the team was getting into it, he didn't do enough to help us win.

I hate to say it, but this is how it starts. We look for a hero, a focal point, a STAR. This is the genesis of "Starphuching". A savior!

Sad thing is, this was to be "Starbury". This is Eddy. Crawford.

At 123million, we don't have a legit focal point. And our Picks are diluted for a while.

This gets sad. This is how bad trades get made.

Lucky we let go of expiring contracts so we are not tempted to run amuck again.

There is no easy fix here fellas.

Next we get another coach. That will be 6 in less than 4 years provided Isiah lasts the season.

Who knows, its a long season!