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this is what we have to deal with now.

gunsnewing wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Now that I have a few minutes let me just end the night by saying this.

Donald Trump will end up being the best President in our lifetimes. He will be aggressive helping restore good paying jobs to all American citizens--help wages grow and lower taxes. He will help restore some pride in the US clearly lost over numerous years. Hes a common sense New Yorker at the end of the day. Hes a builder who is cunning smart and meticulous. His narcissism will help him --his energy will help him --and in turn hes going to help the US. Whether some people like it or not--feel its racist or not--illegal immigration has to be controlled. We cannot be an out of control free border state anymore--doesnt work. We need to take pride in our borders and keep drugs out of our nation the best we can. We need to have good strong relations--but fair relations where the US isnt pulling the load 90% of the time. If you look past the rhetoric--a lot of it is just common sense reasonable ideas. I could go on here but Im tired. Give him a chance just like anyone else who has earned the right.

Lastly the media the elitists people behind the scenes who run it and the entertainment community just got a well deserved major-league kick in the ass. We were "Russia' the last 6 months but the democracy of the people saw through it and rejected it. For every person who tried to impose their will --to bully Trump voters--God spoke to you last night.

For those who are saying this is racist--these are many of the same people who voted in Obama the least 8 years--its the majority of the US citizens. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples but the approach of keeping an open mind and not thinking the walls will be tumbling down is the right way. The people who voted this way were simply fed up with the ongoing direction of this country where the rich get richer and the middle class has to deal with finding jobs stagnant pay increasing health care costs staggering debt. It didnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

I knew trump would win--I paid attention. While I didnt see much of Fairfield County in CT I did see a lot of Eastern CT which to me equated to many of the parts of the US. I saw 5-6 Trump signs to 1 Hillary. I watched on TV and saw tens of thousand of every day people storming to trump rallies wiling to sit outside the stadiums if necessary. I paid attention to social media and listened to my friends. The day that I knew wed win was the day my daughter came back from her schools vote--While mentioned as insignificant--I did not think so. A school made up of well educated good kids with a majority of females put him in 51-39. You start doing the math there and at minimum despite all odds it was going to be close. Another sign--Bill Belechik and Tom Brady letting people know in a nonchalant way they were voting Trump. It was the "quiet" Trump vote I believed would be a game changer and it was.

So this is done and good riddance--Im sick of it. New day tomorrow and this thread officially dies. Oh and people like Miley Cyrus--if you dont like the US and want to get out--dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Well I have to tip my cap to you BRIGGS and guns. You guys were onto something. Have to man up at least to that.

Thank Doc. I just want the best for everyone and I'm excited and hopeful this is the beginning of something new and great. A new precedent going

We didn't need Trump to have something great. Just a little less obstruction the last 8 years could've made all the difference. That was the only thing holding us back. Obama was pushing the Wrecked U.S. Economy out the ditch with the Republicans pressing on the breaks the whole time. SMDH.

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this is what we have to deal with now.

It's only just begun! Welcome to 1960!

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Markji wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Markji wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.

You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Don't count Trump out as a reformer. He is not a right wing Conservative. Trump has battled the political establishment from day 1. I believe he will nominate a SC judge who will be moderate and be for repealing Citizen's United. The big PAC money was against Trump and he recognizes this as a future weapon against him. So, IMO, Trump will eliminate it and push for campaign finance reform and will need the Supreme Court to back him..

I think Trump will act a lot like Bernie would have. I am not sure if Trump's final ad was posted on this thread. Watch it. To me, it seems like many of Bernie's ideas and sentiment but spoken by Trump. Both Bernie and Trump were for dismembering the corrupt political establishment and I think Trump will work to do this.
(Disclaimer - I supported Bernie; I did not support or vote for Trump).

I hope you're right but have you looked at his list of possible SC nominations? How much do you know about those people? (I haven't actually looked into each one.) Don't forget Pence is his VP. I don't think he would nominate someone his VP disapproves of.

Pence is a great man and the perfect VP pick. Hillary picked goofy who did nothing to help elevate her. Pence was there for Trump every step of the way. Not hiding.

And since when do we write people off because we disagree on ONE thing?

We have to agree on Everything?

That's not humanly possible

and why people are suckered in hook, line and sinker by people like Hillary who tell you everything you want to hear and rarely ever the truth. They tell you what they will do and do nothing.

Hillary didn't even do that she was too busy using the dishonest agenda driven media to deliver ever low blow to Trump in the book.

America saw threw it all. I've never been so proud of this country

You actually believe this is a proud day for America??? Trump ran a Xenophobic and hate filled campaign. There is nothing good about this election and Trump especially took this to the gutter. Since when is it a good thing when Racists feel comfortable supporting your President???

djsunyc wrote:my raptors brothers have spoken

Took a minute to notice the Tim Horton's sign... nice touch.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:From writer Thomas Frank on why Hillary lost.

Start at the top. Why, oh why, did it have to be Hillary Clinton? Yes, she has an impressive resume; yes, she worked hard on the campaign trail. But she was exactly the wrong candidate for this angry, populist moment. An insider when the country was screaming for an outsider. A technocrat who offered fine-tuning when the country wanted to take a sledgehammer to the machine.

She was the Democratic candidate because it was her turn and because a Clinton victory would have moved every Democrat in Washington up a notch. Whether or not she would win was always a secondary matter, something that was taken for granted. Had winning been the party’s number one concern, several more suitable candidates were ready to go. There was Joe Biden, with his powerful plainspoken style, and there was Bernie Sanders, an inspiring and largely scandal-free figure. Each of them would probably have beaten Trump, but neither of them would really have served the interests of the party insiders. …

To try to put over such a nominee while screaming that the Republican is a rightwing monster is to court disbelief. If Trump is a fascist, as liberals often said, Democrats should have put in their strongest player to stop him, not a party hack they’d chosen because it was her turn. Choosing her indicated either that Democrats didn’t mean what they said about Trump’s riskiness, that their opportunism took precedence over the country’s well-being, or maybe both.

Clinton’s supporters among the media didn’t help much, either. It always struck me as strange that such an unpopular candidate enjoyed such robust and unanimous endorsements from the editorial and opinion pages of the nation’s papers, but it was the quality of the media’s enthusiasm that really harmed her. With the same arguments repeated over and over, two or three times a day, with nuance and contrary views all deleted, the act of opening the newspaper started to feel like tuning in to a Cold War propaganda station. Here’s what it consisted of:

• Hillary was virtually without flaws. She was a peerless leader clad in saintly white, a super-lawyer, a caring benefactor of women and children, a warrior for social justice.
• Her scandals weren’t real.
• The economy was doing well / America was already great.
• Working-class people weren’t supporting Trump.
• And if they were, it was only because they were botched humans. Racism was the only conceivable reason for lining up with the Republican candidate.

How did the journalists’ crusade fail? The fourth estate came together in an unprecedented professional consensus. They chose insulting the other side over trying to understand what motivated them. They transformed opinion writing into a vehicle for high moral boasting. What could possibly have gone wrong with such an approach?

Put this question in slightly more general terms and you are confronting the single great mystery of 2016. The American white-collar class just spent the year rallying around a super-competent professional (who really wasn’t all that competent) and either insulting or silencing everyone who didn’t accept their assessment. And then they lost. Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away.

The even larger problem is that there is a kind of chronic complacency that has been rotting American liberalism for years, a hubris that tells Democrats they need do nothing different, they need deliver nothing really to anyone – except their friends on the Google jet and those nice people at Goldman. The rest of us are treated as though we have nowhere else to go and no role to play except to vote enthusiastically on the grounds that these Democrats are the “last thing standing” between us and the end of the world. It is a liberalism of the rich, it has failed the middle class, and now it has failed on its own terms of electability. Enough with these comfortable Democrats and their cozy Washington system. Enough with Clintonism and its prideful air of professional-class virtue. Enough!

Michael Moore had a similar take about this a week ago....

I read that article as well, echoes what I have been saying and some others like yourself. The Democrats and their Wall street friends were too focused on getting their own and didn't focus on what the party needed to win. Putting the entire party hardline support on a complete sap like Clinton just showed how disconnected they were from what was happening. Even as they saw Trump clean house in the primaries, they doubled down on this woman who would have destroyed what's left of the middle class by further consolidating hardcore right wing agenda like NAFTA. It was absolutely Liberalism for the rich, just like Mitt Romney would have been Socialism for the 1% and capitalism for the rest of us. These politicians have long been parasites sucking us dry with their partisan talking points and ass-backwards policies. Trump may or may not do anything for the middle class, time will tell but I know Hillary would not.

earthmansurfer wrote:

nixluva wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

nixluva wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:So, what of these "polls". It was brought up how Brexit was wrong and that our polls were oversampled. Is it another coincidence or is there something to it?
I mean, all of the MSM polls, wrong??? This is probably what Trump meant about corruption.

No one really knows. The polling average had Hillary up by 3.3 and it looks like it's going to be closer to 0.1. Nate Silver at 538 did say there was a pretty high chance (greater than 10%) that Hillary would win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.

We seem to be near the historically high end regarding result/poll deviation. http://www.gallup.com/poll/9442/Election-Polls-Accuracy-Record-Presidential-Elections.aspx (edit)

As a service, for the sake of future elections, this needs to be looked into and see exactly how these (specific) results were achieved. A part of going forward and healing, is seeing where things are broken and fixing them, making things better all round - more transparent, etc. We need to get back trust in our system. We need more transparency.

We need to be careful, because if polls can easily be influenced, the affect on the outcome of a vote could, in part, steered. Another tool in the chest of corruption.

So you are concerned about polls and not about a Republican majority in the Supreme Court allowing laws to change so the Republicans in their districts can systemically close 860 polling stations in minority districts across the South in battleground states, to restrict minorities access to voting..You aren't concerned that the Supreme Court has ushered in Citizen's United to allow the rich both foreign and domestic to influence our election more so than the average citizen..You had zero problem watching Russia weight in on our election process by hacking the DNC databases are releasing vital campaign strategies..And lastly, You had no problem with the FBI releasing critical leaks on the eve of the election to help the republican candidate..But it's the POLLS that keeps you up at night, where we need more transparency...Right...

Again, why is this a "this or that" argument (false dilemma)? Can't we work on all of these things?
I'm not the opposition.

You're misguided if you think this election was about fixing corruption or polls or "draining the swamp". That's all BS for the masses that bought that tripe. The same people that have been in government are STILL in government but now they have even more power to screw the people.

Please someone explain how things are better today for the people just cuz Trump is President? Trump is just a figurehead and the real power is still in the same hands. There has been no real change except now Big Business is in total control.

Who backed the Republicans that have been in the House and the Senate??? The same Koch Brothers and other Big Business leaders. They could give a crap about "the people "!

Nixluva - You don't know and yet you speak with certainty. If you want to give up before he even gets in office that is on you. I wouldn't have given up had Hillary won.
Trump is the first non politician to be in office since when? Was Reagan a politician after acting? We have a chance, I'll take that over a known corrupt quantity.

The sad part is that I DO KNOW that The Congress is made up of the very same Republicans that have been there for YEARS and they are bought and paid for by Big Business like the Koch Brothers. That's always been their thing and they have not changed even if Trump was selling his populist spiel to RED America. These voters have put their trust in Trump and he will not be able to overcome the wishes of the House and Senate Republicans. He will soon learn that his power is very limited.

The worst may very well happen. For me, I feel like there is hope of some big changes. I think the economy, without huge changes to America, is going to take a dive. The banking system is teetering and has been. You can only endlessly print money for so long. We got some big problems. As I mentioned before, I was really worried about War, still might happen, but not with Russia.
I hope this election was a wake-up call. We have a chance of some big things happening, but corruption has to be weeded out.

What exactly about the banking sector has been teetering? Why can you only print for so long? How long is so long and what happens after that?

gunsnewing wrote:

Markji wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.

You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

Bernie had so shot. Hillary at least made it somewhat close but Biden would've been closer. Neither are very inspiring nor able to command the respect of other world leaders

Bernie would have wiped his ass with Donald Trump and then some, in a populist election he would have forced Trump to split the white vote, after that Trump had nothing

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Watching CBSN... commentator saying if Trump did what Hillary did last night, people would be up in arms. Yet again, people are asking "Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?"

BRIGGS called it.

Her speech is imminent.

What is the point the commentator is trying to make, that Hillary gets away with things Trump wouldn't be able to get away with?..Come on..

She didn't even prepare for this eventuality. They didn't think it was possible. You have to be fair. You know Clinton people would be screaming bloody murder calling him a sore loser.

Meanwhile Trump had to be held back by from rushing to the stage by his people. They wanted him to wait until it became official to milk every moment and not become anti-climatic.

Hillary only speaks after being prepped for hours and days on exactly what to say, what hand gestures to use etc

earthmansurfer wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:So, what of these "polls". It was brought up how Brexit was wrong and that our polls were oversampled. Is it another coincidence or is there something to it?
I mean, all of the MSM polls, wrong??? This is probably what Trump meant about corruption.

No one really knows. The polling average had Hillary up by 3.3 and it looks like it's going to be closer to 0.1. Nate Silver at 538 did say there was a pretty high chance (greater than 10%) that Hillary would win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote.

We seem to be near the historically high end regarding result/poll deviation.

As a service, for the sake of future elections, this needs to be looked into and see exactly how these (specific) results were achieved. A part of going forward and healing, is seeing where things are broken and fixing them, making things better all round - more transparent, etc. We need to get back trust in our system. We need more transparency.

We need to be careful, because if polls can easily be influenced, the affect on the outcome of a vote could, in part, steered. Another tool in the chest of corruption.

It is not a corruption for monetary and political gain.
This is corruption of people who cannot let go the old cozy world crumbling in front of their wide open eyes.
Mainstream old-fashioned media losing its ground along with bankrupt politicians and preachers of any kind.
Truth and common sense are storming back into the picture pushing millions from convenient social holes.
From obstacles they became a problem. We will see a lot of this on every level from state government, to local, down to corporations.
Too many bloodsuckers to tolerate. Time to make them all make the leaving the hard way.

Just so you know cuz I don't think most of you understand this, but the local governments outside of the big cities are NOT CHANGING. Congress is relatively UNCHANGED!!! In fact all this hype from Trump about "draining the swamp" is utter BS! All of the same politicians are still in charge in RED America. They didn't get rid of their own chosen representatives. All the people who have been there FOR YEARS are still in Washington!!!

Republicans did everything in their power to obstruct so that they could regain power and now that they have it what will they do? Big Tax Cuts? Get rid of Regulation? Basically nothing that really will bring back the thousands of small towns and dying Rust Belt cities in terms of Manufacturing Jobs. These guys are the ones who believed in Outsourcing and allowing Big Business to pay low wages and ship jobs overseas. These same Republicans are the ones who are backed by Big Business and always have been.

We can call this a process. Trump can get things going. People need inspiration. Maybe Obama tried going in that direction but the changes didn't happen. Things got worse - economically, socially, etc.

We can't depend on one person to make things better for us, but together, we can do our part and move forward. Might be a long process but I'm game.

For example, IF Hillary is prosecuted and IF Comey or Podesta are also, we can see a trickle down prosecution like effect. That would at least be a start, give people hope, get people motivated to make things better. Put corruption in prion. Work on our relations with Russia (e.g. trade agreement) and work together more. Where we have been headed lately, it seems to make companies more money, save rich people more money, remove the middle class, conquer the world, remove all kinds of borders (while waging wars next door), etc. That was a dead end street.

Yes lets do it! I'm in!