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BigDaddyG
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1/5/2024 4:54 PM
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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gradyandrew
Posts: 22372 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/19/2021 Member: #8959 |
1/6/2024 4:00 AM
Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad?
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Alpha1971
Posts: 23176 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 1/17/2022 Member: #9006 |
1/6/2024 4:27 AM
gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? It's a title whose name will live on in infamy. |
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martin
Posts: 75091 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/6/2024 7:54 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? Classic Knicks fans overreaction but that’s what we roll with, cause that’s us Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42254 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
1/6/2024 8:13 AM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2024 8:13 AM
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? We gave up two players capable of 20pts a night. Including the 6th man of the year runner up, not in his prime yet. Chemistrywise the trade is paying dividends already. OG is much more effective off the ball than RJ. Although we give up some scoring. One of our "big three" had to go. But the price was steep. No getting around that. It really wont matter if we get that instant offense back that we lost with IQ. If the price is a bunch of picks instead of IQ and RJ, for that last piece. The roster will show that we gave up IQ and RJ, a bunch of first rounders. And got back OG, and a 6th man who is good enough to get us to at least the ECF. But we arent there yet. This move only makes sense if we can get back the production we lost in the IQ trade. A player with his skillset. Raps were looking for that kind of player for a long time. |
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27310 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
1/6/2024 8:53 AM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? I think we gave up “FGA” more than “PTs”. “Speak softly and carry a big stick” - KAT
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27724 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
1/6/2024 9:24 AM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2024 9:27 AM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? Agree with most. Mainly that IQ could be next level and hates for him to go. Hopefully it continues like last night where Grimes and Deuce stepped up. Which I felt, would happen by moving IQ to SL and Grimes to second unit. Now with IQ gone and Grimes in second unit, maybe he continues to flourish and we miss IQ less. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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MS
Posts: 27027 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/28/2004 Member: #724 |
1/6/2024 9:50 AM
Have to look at in from the perspective of OG going to be a $35MM a year guy. That’s a lot of money.
We’ve looked very solid the past for games. IHart has played like an Allstar. I don’t think 22-25MM is a lot of for IQ. He’s going to average 20pts and be dynamic for a long time. Losing him is tough. If Grimes plays the way he should and continues to be aggressive OG doesn’t have to be an offensive force. But again, love the defense, but Brunson is going to from $25MM to $45-$50MM they need to hit on the draft picks this year. IHart is going to get interest from Spurs, Pistons etc. |
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nycericanguy
Posts: 21446 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/20/2023 Member: #9127 |
1/6/2024 9:51 AM
MS wrote:Have to look at in from the perspective of OG going to be a $35MM a year guy. That’s a lot of money. IQ will get 25m+ as well, we would have been paying RJ & IQ around $55m combined so I get it. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30099 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
1/6/2024 10:11 AM LAST EDITED: 1/6/2024 10:12 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? I believe RJ is a very replaceable player. He is basically a mid efficient scorer. Those hit the NBA regularly. IQ on the other end is a rare gem similar to the rare gem OG is. IQ is a 2-way player positive offensively and defensively. Can play off ball and space the floor. Can create his own offense or for others. Can start or play off the bench within multiple different roles. Offers quality points per min instant offense. He will be locked in at 30mins a night and grow much like Maxey has with free reign. With that said I view the deal as mostly IQ for OG. As again I see RJ contributions not that hard to replace. The key is working Hartenstien, Hart and Grimes more into the offense and letting them grow their games. Though I'd rather move Grimes for more size and keep Hart as a 2-3 where his 15reb explosions and ball pushing is devastating. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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nycericanguy
Posts: 21446 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/20/2023 Member: #9127 |
1/6/2024 10:15 AM
the worry with IQ was also can he do it in the halfcourt when teams gameplan for him?
MIA took him out pretty easily last years playoffs. In 13 playoff games 7.8ppg on 33/27 shooting. So far in TOR also shooting under 40%. I think he'll be a very good two way player but I always low key worried about his ability to do it as a starter for 30+mpg against mainly other starters, and come playoff time. |
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SergioNYK
Posts: 22417 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/8/2002 Member: #333 USA |
1/6/2024 10:16 AM
RJ and IQ will always have a special place in my heart but so far it looks like a good trade for one simple reason - defense. OGA has fixed our defense! We're allowing 14 fewer ppg and went from 48% to 43% defensive FG%!
But we need to add some scoring. OGA doesn't seem like a scorer. |
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Clean
Posts: 30244 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/22/2004 Member: #743 |
1/6/2024 10:44 AM
nycericanguy wrote:the worry with IQ was also can he do it in the halfcourt when teams gameplan for him? Thankfully I did not have to say it this time. People will become enamoured with his regular season stats. Like Randle the regular season is not his problem. He was just darn near 6thman of the year. It's when team specifically gameplan to take him out of the game. What do you do then? Until he shows he can handle that this is a better trade than the general fanbase will think. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30099 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
1/6/2024 10:53 AM
Clean wrote:nycericanguy wrote:the worry with IQ was also can he do it in the halfcourt when teams gameplan for him? While his production in the playoffs have been pretty trash. It's way to early in his career for it to be any type of stigma. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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MaTT4281
Posts: 34545 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #538 USA |
1/6/2024 11:05 AM
gradyandrew wrote:Can we change the thread title to: It's Bad- like Michael Jackson's Bad? That apostrophe is doing some heavy lifting...'Michael Jackson bad' is a whole new level of bad. |
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martin
Posts: 75091 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/6/2024 11:05 AM
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martin
Posts: 75091 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/6/2024 11:05 AM
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martin
Posts: 75091 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/6/2024 11:08 AM
I’m in this boat, with the addition of more DDV, Grimes, Deuce.
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Nalod
Posts: 70768 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
1/6/2024 11:23 AM
MS wrote:Have to look at in from the perspective of OG going to be a $35MM a year guy. That’s a lot of money. You answered your comment. 20-25 is not a lot for Quick but we Have Brunson. OG was messing up Embiid on defense. We ****ing blew them out on their own court! |