They aren't a title worthy team for that exact reason - all they have is Middleton as a second guy.

Bledsoe, Brogdon and Brook are nice players to have. George Hill is a nice role player. But that team as constructed is never winning a title and that's what we're here for.

Let me also make mention that Middleton, Blesoe, Brogdon, Brook and Hill are better role players than anyone on the team right now except maybe Trier.

Welpee wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If you support this trade then you are simply falling for the same old **** the Knicks have been feeding for you a decade or more.

The Knicks are using their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts that they signed the last time they had cap space. They are simply hoping there's a 'chance' that an elite player or two wants to come to New York and play with Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina. Think about how ridiculous that sounds.

It's as if 2010 and 2016 didn't happen and end terribly. The Knicks simply do not know how to learn from past mistakes.

I understand that KP thought this management sucks and the ownership is awful, that's understandable. I didn't like the way he went about it but so be it. I didn't like his brother either. He was a cancer. So he had to be traded. Okay. Why did he have to be traded in a salary dump? Why not a top 10 pick from a team in this draft or legit young players from Boston, etc? Why are you swinging for the fences once again when your franchise has the worst record in the NBA not just this year but the worst record since 2001? Who in their right minds is running to play for Dolan and Mills? The idea that the Knicks have a plan is a joke. Their plan is no plan. It's just throwing crap at a wall and hoping it sticks. This is a latest example of that.

For the record, Dennis Smith Jr isn't good. He's a poor man's Steve Francis. He can't shoot and has low basketball IQ.

The 2021 pick will likely be in the 20's. It's nothing to be excited about.

The return here was bad because it's a short-sighted move. If the Knicks end up maxing out Kemba and Cousins this summer, then what? Was this what you wanted? To be a treadmill 6-7 seed for the next decade?

The Knicks keep making the same move over and over and keep failing. And they keep selling the same plan and people keep buying it. Look at the roster - it's devoid of talent. Who is worth anything on this team? Knox is 19 but he's shown next to nothing. Mitch has a long way to go. Trier is a 6th man at best. Frank? Dotson? C'mon. The roster is probably the worst in the entire NBA in terms of any talent now that Porzingis is gone.

Don't keep falling for these terrible short sighted moves. This is one of the worst trades in franchise history. The Knicks continue to be a disgrace.

Your logic is hot garbage.

Elite players coming to play with Frank and Knox.... [rolls eyes].

The 2 elite players would come to team up with a high lottery pick, Knox, Frank, Trier, Mitch and whatever min contracts other vet dudes would sign to play with Durant and Kyrie.

Fucking Greek Freak and 4 other role players are leading the East right now; I am sure Kyrie and Durant could walk to the East finals in a cake walk.

No my logic is the truth. You're falling for the old bait and switch again.

High lottery pick - why would a superstar car about a lottery pick? They want to win now, not wait for a player to develop. Durant will be 31.

Mitch has done nothing in the league except block shots and foul out every game. He's not ready to win now.

Knox is not ready to win now or even play regular NBA minutes.

Frank is a defensive backup.

Say you're Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. You look at this team. You objectively think the Knicks are in a superb position to win a title by teaming up those 2 with a bunch of unproven rookies and/or some guys who not even be NBA worthy?

The Knicks are swinging for a pipe dream. They traded their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts they signed the last time they had cap space (ya'll forgot about Amare, Noah, Hardaway, Lee, etc, huh?) to have a chance - a CHANCE - to sign some superstars who somehow will be so enamored by the GAHDEN and DA MECCA that they will throw out all conventional wisdom and come play for statistically the worst franchise in the NBA since 2001.

How many superstars did the Lakers have when they signed Lebron?

1. The Lakers have a much better roster than the Knicks.

2. It has been widely observed that LeBron signing with LA was a business and family decision first and foremost.

JamesKPolk wrote:

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If you support this trade then you are simply falling for the same old **** the Knicks have been feeding for you a decade or more.

The Knicks are using their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts that they signed the last time they had cap space. They are simply hoping there's a 'chance' that an elite player or two wants to come to New York and play with Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina. Think about how ridiculous that sounds.

It's as if 2010 and 2016 didn't happen and end terribly. The Knicks simply do not know how to learn from past mistakes.

I understand that KP thought this management sucks and the ownership is awful, that's understandable. I didn't like the way he went about it but so be it. I didn't like his brother either. He was a cancer. So he had to be traded. Okay. Why did he have to be traded in a salary dump? Why not a top 10 pick from a team in this draft or legit young players from Boston, etc? Why are you swinging for the fences once again when your franchise has the worst record in the NBA not just this year but the worst record since 2001? Who in their right minds is running to play for Dolan and Mills? The idea that the Knicks have a plan is a joke. Their plan is no plan. It's just throwing crap at a wall and hoping it sticks. This is a latest example of that.

For the record, Dennis Smith Jr isn't good. He's a poor man's Steve Francis. He can't shoot and has low basketball IQ.

The 2021 pick will likely be in the 20's. It's nothing to be excited about.

The return here was bad because it's a short-sighted move. If the Knicks end up maxing out Kemba and Cousins this summer, then what? Was this what you wanted? To be a treadmill 6-7 seed for the next decade?

The Knicks keep making the same move over and over and keep failing. And they keep selling the same plan and people keep buying it. Look at the roster - it's devoid of talent. Who is worth anything on this team? Knox is 19 but he's shown next to nothing. Mitch has a long way to go. Trier is a 6th man at best. Frank? Dotson? C'mon. The roster is probably the worst in the entire NBA in terms of any talent now that Porzingis is gone.

Don't keep falling for these terrible short sighted moves. This is one of the worst trades in franchise history. The Knicks continue to be a disgrace.

Your logic is hot garbage.

Elite players coming to play with Frank and Knox.... [rolls eyes].

The 2 elite players would come to team up with a high lottery pick, Knox, Frank, Trier, Mitch and whatever min contracts other vet dudes would sign to play with Durant and Kyrie.

Fucking Greek Freak and 4 other role players are leading the East right now; I am sure Kyrie and Durant could walk to the East finals in a cake walk.

No my logic is the truth. You're falling for the old bait and switch again.

High lottery pick - why would a superstar car about a lottery pick? They want to win now, not wait for a player to develop. Durant will be 31.

Mitch has done nothing in the league except block shots and foul out every game. He's not ready to win now.

Knox is not ready to win now or even play regular NBA minutes.

Frank is a defensive backup.

Say you're Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. You look at this team. You objectively think the Knicks are in a superb position to win a title by teaming up those 2 with a bunch of unproven rookies and/or some guys who not even be NBA worthy?

The Knicks are swinging for a pipe dream. They traded their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts they signed the last time they had cap space (ya'll forgot about Amare, Noah, Hardaway, Lee, etc, huh?) to have a chance - a CHANCE - to sign some superstars who somehow will be so enamored by the GAHDEN and DA MECCA that they will throw out all conventional wisdom and come play for statistically the worst franchise in the NBA since 2001.

No one on the Lakers are complaining about getting a 33/34 year old LeBron to a max contract and then waiting until he is 34 going on 35 til they pair him with another star. Except you.

The Knicks in 2010 didn't have room for 2 max contracts and were left with space for 1 AFTER they traded too much away and were left bare.

If it could be done, this is the time to move your oft-injured player for picks and space when those super stars have been batting their eyes at you. Feels more like Miami 2010 then Knicks-Amare 2010.

fwk00 wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

PresIke wrote:Those protections are not THAT bad.

If the basketball Gods smile on us, the first pick is amazing. If Dallas finishes inside the top ten - that's our pick. If not we have a second chance at a top ten pick the next time around - that like getting three chances at two high picks.

Sign that trade paper before Dallas blinks.

I don't think you get how this works...

The only way Dallas gets its own pick in 2019 is to have lady luck give them 1-5. Otherwise, 6-30 goes to Atlanta. Dallas traded 1-5 to us if that happens otherwise we do it all over next time (unprotected).

Nope, we didn't score that kind of value. From my understanding, Dallas keeps that pick if it's 1-5. And we get delayed by an extra year. Then they'd do it again in 2020, and if Dallas is outside the top 5, Atlanta gets that pick and we don't get our first 1st until 2022, while also pushing the other protected pick to at least 2024. Worst case scenario would push this pretty far and we could end up with a 2025 2nd from Dallas instead of a 1st.

This wasn't exactly negotiated by Nelson Mandela.

No. Actually, this is getting interesting.

2019: If Dallas gets 1-5, it belongs to Dallas or whoever Dallas owes unprotected (maybe us).

2020:If they keep it, then Atlanta waits a year (is 1-5 protected again?) OR Knicks get it.

2021: Dallas traded 2020 so they keep this one.

2022: Does Atlanta get this one if they were shut out? or is this our #2 owed pick protected?

Nope.

Basically we get delayed every time the Hawks do. The earliest we get that unprotected pick is 2021.

martin wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

bigjeep8 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Fizz ran KP out of town. KP saw no development no system nothing nada. He had seen enough and wanted out.

No doubt years of losing has made KP unhappy and now he got his wish. Never was a big fan of his.

This doesn't makes sense for this year.

One thing is the Phil Jackson issue and the issues when Melo was around.

This year we had a new management and a new coach. This team was still talented enough to be decent if if had a big star playing with them and, what? oh, Porzingis was supposed to be that star? So Porzingis is mad that a team without his biggest star, which happens to be him, is playing poorly?

And if you are going to be out for the year with your injury and your team has the chance to bring another star young player through the draft, isnt that actually the best you can expect for your team?

This seems to be more of a power play from Janis and Porzingis. The excuse is the Knicks losing, which is funny because Porzingis being out is a huge part of that.

Agreed

I just want draft picks out of this. I am with you guys about KP being an entitled prick. Good riddance. But if we don't get draft picks it's a really bad trade. Attitude or not, he had unicorn value.

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:If you support this trade then you are simply falling for the same old **** the Knicks have been feeding for you a decade or more.

The Knicks are using their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts that they signed the last time they had cap space. They are simply hoping there's a 'chance' that an elite player or two wants to come to New York and play with Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina. Think about how ridiculous that sounds.

It's as if 2010 and 2016 didn't happen and end terribly. The Knicks simply do not know how to learn from past mistakes.

I understand that KP thought this management sucks and the ownership is awful, that's understandable. I didn't like the way he went about it but so be it. I didn't like his brother either. He was a cancer. So he had to be traded. Okay. Why did he have to be traded in a salary dump? Why not a top 10 pick from a team in this draft or legit young players from Boston, etc? Why are you swinging for the fences once again when your franchise has the worst record in the NBA not just this year but the worst record since 2001? Who in their right minds is running to play for Dolan and Mills? The idea that the Knicks have a plan is a joke. Their plan is no plan. It's just throwing crap at a wall and hoping it sticks. This is a latest example of that.

For the record, Dennis Smith Jr isn't good. He's a poor man's Steve Francis. He can't shoot and has low basketball IQ.

The 2021 pick will likely be in the 20's. It's nothing to be excited about.

The return here was bad because it's a short-sighted move. If the Knicks end up maxing out Kemba and Cousins this summer, then what? Was this what you wanted? To be a treadmill 6-7 seed for the next decade?

The Knicks keep making the same move over and over and keep failing. And they keep selling the same plan and people keep buying it. Look at the roster - it's devoid of talent. Who is worth anything on this team? Knox is 19 but he's shown next to nothing. Mitch has a long way to go. Trier is a 6th man at best. Frank? Dotson? C'mon. The roster is probably the worst in the entire NBA in terms of any talent now that Porzingis is gone.

Don't keep falling for these terrible short sighted moves. This is one of the worst trades in franchise history. The Knicks continue to be a disgrace.

Your logic is hot garbage.

Elite players coming to play with Frank and Knox.... [rolls eyes].

The 2 elite players would come to team up with a high lottery pick, Knox, Frank, Trier, Mitch and whatever min contracts other vet dudes would sign to play with Durant and Kyrie.

Fucking Greek Freak and 4 other role players are leading the East right now; I am sure Kyrie and Durant could walk to the East finals in a cake walk.

No my logic is the truth. You're falling for the old bait and switch again.

High lottery pick - why would a superstar car about a lottery pick? They want to win now, not wait for a player to develop. Durant will be 31.

Mitch has done nothing in the league except block shots and foul out every game. He's not ready to win now.

Knox is not ready to win now or even play regular NBA minutes.

Frank is a defensive backup.

Say you're Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. You look at this team. You objectively think the Knicks are in a superb position to win a title by teaming up those 2 with a bunch of unproven rookies and/or some guys who not even be NBA worthy?

The Knicks are swinging for a pipe dream. They traded their franchise player to get rid of terrible contracts they signed the last time they had cap space (ya'll forgot about Amare, Noah, Hardaway, Lee, etc, huh?) to have a chance - a CHANCE - to sign some superstars who somehow will be so enamored by the GAHDEN and DA MECCA that they will throw out all conventional wisdom and come play for statistically the worst franchise in the NBA since 2001.

No one on the Lakers are complaining about getting a 33/34 year old LeBron to a max contract and then waiting until he is 34 going on 35 til they pair him with another star. Except you.

The Knicks in 2010 didn't have room for 2 max contracts and were left with space for 1 AFTER they traded too much away and were left bare.

If it could be done, this is the time to move your oft-injured player for picks and space when those super stars have been batting their eyes at you. Feels more like Miami 2010 then Knicks-Amare 2010.

How would this be Miami 2010? Miami had Wade.

The Knicks had room for 2 max slots in 2010. I think we're re-writing history. That was the entire point of the Jeffries/Hill/pick trade to Houston for T Mac. That was done with the purpose of clearing extra cap room to have room for 2 max guys. In the end we ended up with Felton and Amare.

The Cavs had Kyrie when they got LeBron back.

The Warriors had Curry, Klay and Green when they signed Durant.

The Thunder had Westbrook when they traded for Paul George.

The Rockets had James Harden when they signed Chris Paul.

We have nothing. Nothing. What are we offering? A lottery pick? The potential of Mitchell Robinson? Kevin Knox? Frank? No superstar is dying to play with these guys. No superstars are dying to team up to play with these guys either.

LeBron went to the Lakers for business purposes first and foremost at this stage in his career so I don't consider that anything.

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Also using the Bucks was a terrible example.

They aren't a title worthy team for that exact reason - all they have is Middleton as a second guy.

Bledsoe, Brogdon and Brook are nice players to have. George Hill is a nice role player. But that team as constructed is never winning a title and that's what we're here for.

Let me also make mention that Middleton, Blesoe, Brogdon, Brook and Hill are better role players than anyone on the team right now except maybe Trier.

That's nice but you've missed the point entirely.

Point being: the East is weak and 2 stars on the Knicks can dominate the conference. Easily.

And you're missing the point completely as well:

The Knicks are considered a joke of a franchise so I'm not entirely sure why you think they're going to entice any free agents to play for them and their management and ownership.

JamesKPolk wrote:

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Also using the Bucks was a terrible example.

They aren't a title worthy team for that exact reason - all they have is Middleton as a second guy.

Bledsoe, Brogdon and Brook are nice players to have. George Hill is a nice role player. But that team as constructed is never winning a title and that's what we're here for.

Let me also make mention that Middleton, Blesoe, Brogdon, Brook and Hill are better role players than anyone on the team right now except maybe Trier.

That's nice but you've missed the point entirely.

Point being: the East is weak and 2 stars on the Knicks can dominate the conference. Easily.

And you're missing the point completely as well:

The Knicks are considered a joke of a franchise so I'm not entirely sure why you think they're going to entice any free agents to play for them and their management and ownership.

It's not your perception of what the franchise is, it's the players and where they want to go.

Kyrie has already stated it, and Durant has given a lot of signals. So there you go

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

homeskillitprigioni wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

PresIke wrote:Those protections are not THAT bad.

If the basketball Gods smile on us, the first pick is amazing. If Dallas finishes inside the top ten - that's our pick. If not we have a second chance at a top ten pick the next time around - that like getting three chances at two high picks.

Sign that trade paper before Dallas blinks.

I don't think you get how this works...

I dont think you do..except to b#tch of course. Give us a better and realistic trade offer that you wanted. Go ahead

Neither of us know what was out there right now, but if it was slop like this, I would've just kept KP for now. That doesn't mean we would've had to sign him to a max if he didn't want to be here.

So once again you dont show a better offer like I ask. Saying two first round picks is "slop" along with a lottery pick player doesnt make your case an better lol

I don't work for the Knicks, I don't know how you want me to show you a better offer they had.

You're generalizing what we got back too. The first round picks we got are mediocre given how far in the future they are, one being protected, and the other one still in Doncic and possibly KP's window. And the lottery pick is a disappointing one in his second year and also a guy who's already had issues sharing the ball with a player that's much better than he is. You can say Frank's a lottery pick but it doesn't really matter, it doesn't change that he's not a good player.

Ask the Nets about trading unprotected future picks far in the future.

Except that trade was way different. The Nets traded all those picks for a bunch of washed up players. This was a young, top shelf talent to go with one they already have.

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

martin wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Also using the Bucks was a terrible example.

They aren't a title worthy team for that exact reason - all they have is Middleton as a second guy.

Bledsoe, Brogdon and Brook are nice players to have. George Hill is a nice role player. But that team as constructed is never winning a title and that's what we're here for.

Let me also make mention that Middleton, Blesoe, Brogdon, Brook and Hill are better role players than anyone on the team right now except maybe Trier.

That's nice but you've missed the point entirely.

Point being: the East is weak and 2 stars on the Knicks can dominate the conference. Easily.

And you're missing the point completely as well:

The Knicks are considered a joke of a franchise so I'm not entirely sure why you think they're going to entice any free agents to play for them and their management and ownership.

It's not your perception of what the franchise is, it's the players and where they want to go.

Kyrie has already stated it, and Durant has given a lot of signals. So there you go

Yes, I remember when LeBron was sending signals in 2010 too.

Whatever. If you want to go down the 'swing for the fences and end up with a groundball to first' path then go for it. You're free to support any plan you'd like. But I won't have my intelligence insulted that this is the best plan for the Knicks, that the Knicks are a free agent destination and that "it's different this time!"

Jmpasq wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Not sure how true it is but my buddy said SAS was on Michael Kay telling him that supposedly KP was telling other players not to come here. I dont trust SAS much but if true that was a d#ck move by KP

While most Knick fans loved the guy I couldn't stand him since the exit interview. Should of let Phil trade him he knew the kid was a cancer then. Terrible trade though

I thought he showed what he really is when he pulled that move. Oddly the people who thought he was handling the situation with "maturity" are now applauding this trade.