Kemet wrote:Frank Ntilikina reminds me so much of Trevor Ariza rookie season with the Knicks.
A 6.6 pass-first point forward who needs to work on outside scoring skills

Pretty good comparison. Reezy had great instincts on the ball. You could see he was not strong enough for the grind yet but did things in spurts that were indicative. Rookies are rarely consistent so you look for rays of sunshine.
Its easy to punch holes in these kids game and state "Im not convinced that"......
Well, of course your not convinced! Nobody is! We just fans rooting like hell looking for signs of hope.
Others look for signs of despair and point the negative energy at someone to blame.

Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.

Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.

Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.

In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.

I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.

Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.

Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.

I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.

In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.

I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.

Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.

Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.

Worse case he's Andre Robertson. I think and hope he will be significantly better. Time will tell. Some weights and a year in the NBA under his belt should do wonders for his game. I expect a big step forward next year, but again.. time will tell.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.

Frank has been doing this with a weak teenage body!!! He’s going to fill out and get stronger. He’s much closer to being a consistent impact player than it often looked this year. He didn’t have the same amount of professional prep time before the season that the NCAA kids had. This summer could be much more beneficial to his growth.

I have been a Frank fan all season except for a few games where he seemed to regress or hit a wall
He has been playing better lately and his Offense is coming along well. He is showing that he not only belongs but WILL be a core player for this team in a year or two.

In general, I think the team has many good parts that can contribute to a good team next year especially when KP gets back.

I would love to see NY get Bridges from Villanova. I hope he will reach them. That type of player will get this team to the next level, which is the playoffs. Add a healthy KP and a more consistent PG situation and the team will be on the right track.

Frank is a key part of it and I am not sure if there is anyone I'd rather have from his draft class. Mitchell? Kuzma? Smith ? No. Ball? No - due to father mostly but player too.

Mitchell is a star, so i think most would prefer him. But no one else drafted behind Frank has proven to be a true impact player to this point. Frank's floor is elite role player i think.

if his offense stinks he's not elite anything. Iggy is an elite role player. I have no worries about Frank's shooting eventually being serviceable at least. Remains to see if he's ever an impact scorer. Not saying he wont, just that we havent seen that yet.

Worse case he's Andre Robertson. I think and hope he will be significantly better. Time will tell. Some weights and a year in the NBA under his belt should do wonders for his game. I expect a big step forward next year, but again.. time will tell.

Kyrie
Frank
Mikal Bridges
Porzingis
Next Year Lottery Pick

Burke
Hardaway

Is that team good enough to compete? Doesn't look that bad actually

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Knicks allow 105 point per 100 possessions with frank on the floor, and 110 points per 100 possessions with him off the floor. Frank is literally a major impact player as a rookie. Forget about the basic stats. He's got big upside.

Yeahbba Dennis Smith Jr can score. So there.

Exactly!!!

Of all of the advanced metrics stuff i have looked at, i can confidently say that Frank has had a better rookie year than Smith. There, i said it!!!

It's fairly obvious, except to people who think a PGs only role is to score because that's all they ever look at.

Don't make me bring back my Frank versus DSJr thread again!

knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games ago

Yea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.

fitzfarm wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:another 2 point night shooting 16%. He looked better 71 games ago

Yea but his defense was top notch/elite... Jeff needs to make frank a bigger part of the offense he just missed his open looks tonight, wish he got the ball more frequently on O so he’s in the flow and not stiffly taking a few jumpers through out a long game, never in rhythm. Coach has to do a better job of getting him involved. He seems like a passive teenager.

I'm so sick of reading posts like this....

Frank played like **** again but we're gonna talk about his "elite defense" and complain that Frank isn't more involved in the offense....

Frank is not the only player in the team! We are not catering to him.... as it is we're forcing him into minutes he doesn't deserve. So now we need to run plays specifically just to get him shots? Gtfoh!

I bet we're gonna say Mudiay was terrible tonight too right? That 11pt, 7 assist, 6 rebound might was terrible... but in the same 21 minutes Frank got 2pts 2 rebounds and 1 assist.... zero steals and blocks.... but Frank is elite right? Gtfoh!