Chandler wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:fishmike wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:TPercy wrote:In 2015-16 and 2014-15 kyrie had a pass frequency of 24% and 23.8% to Kevin Love. However the numbers did drop to
17.9% in the most recent season but LBJ witnessed a near six percent increase in passes recurved from Kyrie. Derrick rose in comparison had a 17.6 pass frequency to KP. Without Melo, I think kyrie gets the ball to KP more.
And I'm sure Kyrie would be passing the ball more to Love if LeBron wasn't on the court. I don't think KP would have a problem playing with Kyrie. I think he'd be impressed with how much more efficient Kyrie is and he'd wonder why he ever liked playing with Melo. And I definitely think the team would win more than it's been wining. I still don't want to overpay for Kyrie though.
What classifies as overpay to you?
Probably the amount he'd actually cost. He's soon going to get the super max most likely. So I can't justify giving up lottery picks for him. I'd give up Melo and a top 12 protected pick. That's about it. They can get better offers. If we do pay more for him, I'll still be excited to see the team though.
so if you dont overpay your just another sub tier NBA team that doesnt have talent at the level Kyrie
Talent at the wrong price is no good. No team with Kyrie as its best player is going anywhere special. I'm not implying that things will be great if we don't overpay for guys like Kyrie. It depends on how intelligent the rebuilding is. $40 mil a year on Kyrie basically locks you into mediocrity or at least makes it a lot harder to have an elite team. (I expect he will get the supermax soon.) It also makes it a lot harder to have a terrible team since Kyrie is productive. Do we just want a fun, decent product? Kyrie would definitely help and I can understand that thinking. DJ seems to have a lot of fun watching the Raptors! It would be fun to watch Kyrie next year. Do we want to have an elite team? Kyrie is not good enough to be the best player on an elite team. We can't pay him like he is. Using 40% of the cap on him is too limiting, especially if we don't have productive lottery picks compensating for his high salary. (People are talking about giving up at least 1 lottery pick.) Now, if they can get him at a decent price, it gives us good options since we wouldn't have to re-sign him for the supermax, though I suspect we would end up doing that.
Shouldn't it also be kept in mind that since Kyrie has just 25 and as such he is only going to get better? Who is to say that he won't be a player worthy of a super max at the end of his 3 year tenure, especially after playing with arguably the greatest player to ever touch a basketball?
Statistically, there's not a lot of improving most players do after age 25 though there certainly are exceptions. Irving hasn't really improved that much in his first 6 years. His scoring volume and turnover rate are a bit better. That's about it. So, I wouldn't trade for him with the expectation that he'll become a new, better player.
John wall
Stephen curry
Isaiah Thomas
Kyle Lowry
Demare derozan
Brodie
Nearly all the league best guards have seen improvements post the year they turn 25. Why is Kyrie any different?
I'm not going to look up each one but I'm sure that in a league with 400 players, you'll find many who defy the general trend. The general trend is still the most likely trajectory, especially in the case of a player whose production has basically been a flat line all 6 years already.
Steve Nash is another. Many players, MANY have shown another level they can achieve if given a chance or a change in role/team/system. There are far too many HUMAN factors to brush off potential because of "general trends" and "most likely trajectory."
I agree. BUT can anyone think of a player who this many years into his career all of a sudden found the heart to play defense? A lot of great players add elements to their game for sure, but that seems to always be offense
FWIW: I'm in on Kyrie but only at a real modest price. If he truly wants NY we can get him soon enough for nothing
Doug Christie? Might not have been in the league as long at the time (4 years), but Christie's defense was lousy. JVG told Christie about the importance of defense, which is why he didn't last in NY back then.
Christie took the advice to heart, eventually becoming one of the best defenders in the league. First team Defense. Becoming a better defender can be done if you really work at it.
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