nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:Lots of options at 4....if phil picks him or any team after us like Sacramento (i heard they love him) then they must see something. I know when you have towns under the basket and stein playing help defense....he will be out of position on rebounds. This is why towns and stein has similar averages across the board. That team was stacked. You only have the eye test to go by because Kentucky’s individual stats are mis leading.

If we drafted WCS my guess is that he at least showed some acumen for picking up the system. We can't know that at this point but I suspect WCS is capable of learning given how much he's picked up since the end of the season. In the end his offense is an added bonus if he turns out to be able to score outside of just dunks and operate in the flow of the offense. His big talent is defense but if he can score too...

Briggs brings up a good point multiple times as far as scoring in a game is different from making jumpers on a video....i agree with that but kentucky and their system is the only program that gets a pass. I used to doubt them but they have the best transition of college to nba pros. And since there are no guaranteed stars outside of towns, you have to absorb the risk. I think WCS is a low risk option because we saw how jefferies...martin....camby...tyson cann all add value to our team with limited offense. I think they are steins bust potential. ...defense is natural to him....and whats scary is hes going to get better as a defender. But what people are sleeping on is his transition offense....also in half court....he will get wide open jumpers....he doesnt have to rush his release....so he can develop a kurt thomas or Oakley type of mid range jumper. I would pick him up all day....especially when we already have a 30 pt scorer. Melo can now use his energy on offense which is when he excels....think USA basketball.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:Lots of options at 4....if phil picks him or any team after us like Sacramento (i heard they love him) then they must see something. I know when you have towns under the basket and stein playing help defense....he will be out of position on rebounds. This is why towns and stein has similar averages across the board. That team was stacked. You only have the eye test to go by because Kentucky’s individual stats are mis leading.

If we drafted WCS my guess is that he at least showed some acumen for picking up the system. We can't know that at this point but I suspect WCS is capable of learning given how much he's picked up since the end of the season. In the end his offense is an added bonus if he turns out to be able to score outside of just dunks and operate in the flow of the offense. His big talent is defense but if he can score too...

Briggs brings up a good point multiple times as far as scoring in a game is different from making jumpers on a video....i agree with that but kentucky and their system is the only program that gets a pass. I used to doubt them but they have the best transition of college to nba pros. And since there are no guaranteed stars outside of towns, you have to absorb the risk. I think WCS is a low risk option because we saw how jefferies...martin....camby...tyson cann all add value to our team with limited offense. I think they are steins bust potential. ...defense is natural to him....and whats scary is hes going to get better as a defender. But what people are sleeping on is his transition offense....also in half court....he will get wide open jumpers....he doesnt have to rush his release....so he can develop a kurt thomas or Oakley type of mid range jumper. I would pick him up all day....especially when we already have a 30 pt scorer. Melo can now use his energy on offense which is when he excels....think USA basketball.

I totally agree. WCS also does have a basic jump hook so he may be able to develop a back to the basket game. From what I saw he looks stronger since the end of the season. I think he'll get up to about 250 lbs with more training and a better diet. He's got a better lower body than Tyson. His thighs are well developed. He doesn't have narrow hips. He should be able to carry more weight with little problem. Not that I want him to get heavy but a little more muscle would be fine.

Melo definitely needs a guy like WCS out there with him. If Melo is smart he'd make sure to set up WCS with some Alleyoop plays to keep him happy. Develop that 2 man like he had with Amare but didn't use quite enough IMO. WCS can make Melo's life so much easier.

It's a slow release but regardless, could be dangerous if he keeps improving

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think the number 1 flaw that we will see with Stein is reaction time. When he receives the ball he thinks about it. The NBA is a MUCH faster game than even college where he just did not have brain patterns to react other than dunks or called defensive sets. Notice when he receives the ball--he simply has no reaction. Defenders converge and he takes a bad shot forces a bad pass or turns it over. There is two sides of the ball and both count. If you are deficient in one you cant take plays off like WCS has for 3 straight years. He doesnt make up for it with elite rebounding. Rather he is a porous rebounder for a defense first guy. It's a tribute to him that he seems to be improving his shot but at the same time we need to see game reaction and execution. You're making a bigt bet on WCS at 4. You are betting a great deal into a player with poor reaction time a man who looses focus and a player that over 3 full years never showed that he could be much of a help on the offense. There is two reasons why Kentucky lost in the final four---#1 WCS flopped big time and the coach didnt cut down the rotation. Javale Mcgee? Maybe I dont know--but like Walt said find just 1 raw man in the draft over the last 15 years taken at the top 10 who went on to successful NBA careers--just one.

How is he raw again? He played three years at Kentucky. He turned in one of the best workout shooting videos we've seen, outshooting guys like Winslow, Johnson, Okafor, Mudiay. Raw? Gimme a break.

Offensive upside is limited but if you question his value check out the NBA Finals. Tristan Thompson went 4th in the draft a few years back over "higher upside" guys like Jan Vesely and Jonas Valanciunus. Tristan was supposed to be offensively limited and it turns out he's one of the most important players in the Finals.

Some around this board simply have no respect for the ability to defend. They have been exposed to bad defenders for so long, as a result, even some of the fans have seen no reason to add d stone cold defender to this roster. Instead, they keep calling for more jump shooters instead of truly concentrate in trying to resolve what has been one of our Achilles heels for the longest. Give me Stein or Winslow any day please.

blkexec wrote:I'm struggling bad between Mudiay, Winslow and Stein

I think Porzingis might slip out of my top 4....We already have someone similar in Bargs, who willing to take just about any kind of pay right now. His value is too low to go anywhere else. So he's our Porzingis right now, for cheap.

Phil wants these types of athletes.....All 3 can run fast, block shots, rebound, get steals, assist (Stein used to lob it to Towns on those high low plays, so he will get more in the triangle)

I just think he will go for the best athlete at 4.....and hope he becomes a great two way player. Then try and purchase a late pick for either a PG or Big.....depending on the 1st pick.

I'm still on WCS. I believe our only chance will be to finally build an elite defense. The best team defender is WCS. The only thing people had against him was no offense but he looked more solid shooting than many of the guys supposed to be better than him. I think he's just what this franchise needs to contend.

Being able to score isn't all it's cracked up to be. Dirk is the best Euro ever and he only won with a team that could finally defend. They brought Tyson back just to recapture the defensive presence.
All the playoff teams had defensive bigs. We can't fall in love with offensive players and forget that team D is the real key to winning a title.

blkexec wrote:I'm struggling bad between Mudiay, Winslow and Stein

I think Porzingis might slip out of my top 4....We already have someone similar in Bargs, who willing to take just about any kind of pay right now. His value is too low to go anywhere else. So he's our Porzingis right now, for cheap.

Phil wants these types of athletes.....All 3 can run fast, block shots, rebound, get steals, assist (Stein used to lob it to Towns on those high low plays, so he will get more in the triangle)

I just think he will go for the best athlete at 4.....and hope he becomes a great two way player. Then try and purchase a late pick for either a PG or Big.....depending on the 1st pick.

I've cooled on Winslow, never liked Mudiay, so really I'm just down to WCS and Porzingis

blkexec wrote:I'm struggling bad between Mudiay, Winslow and Stein

I think Porzingis might slip out of my top 4....We already have someone similar in Bargs, who willing to take just about any kind of pay right now. His value is too low to go anywhere else. So he's our Porzingis right now, for cheap.

Phil wants these types of athletes.....All 3 can run fast, block shots, rebound, get steals, assist (Stein used to lob it to Towns on those high low plays, so he will get more in the triangle)

I just think he will go for the best athlete at 4.....and hope he becomes a great two way player. Then try and purchase a late pick for either a PG or Big.....depending on the 1st pick.

Yeah, I am torn between all three at the moment, too.

Mudiay has the higest ceiling and great size for the PG. I think best case he's a much better Tyreke Evans - sort of the mini Lebron people thought Tyreke could be in his rookie season.

Stein seems like he can be a Camby or Tyson type.

Winslow seems to fit into that Igoudala or Paul George type player.

All three could help and there's a chance any of the three don't reach their ceiling. I think in terms of safety it is Winslow, Stein, then Mudiay, but in terms of how good they can be it goes Mudiay, Winslow, Stein...

I dunno. Yeah, definitely torn between those three.

The other day I thought Okafor might slip to 4, but thinking on it now that just seems crazy.

Knicks1969 wrote:Stein is a combo of Tyson, k. Martin, and Camby. He embodies what those three players were able to do, but in a much much longer frame. None of those three guys could do all that Stein can do. If this dude is able to knock down open shots as he has shown on the video, watch out. The heck with the euro prizinski or Mudiay. None of the two has proven that they can dominate on a big stage. Stein has