Clean wrote:1. Kidd is no longer a consistant starting PG
2. We miss felton even with his bruised hands bricking shots.

Yes. I live and die with every game also, but think about who we're missing. We'll be just fine. I wasn't all that impressed with Indy to be honest.

Anji wrote:This sux, the piling on is unreal right now. Knicks need a good win streak.

been sayin that for a few weeks

Someone said to not use the injury excuse. The problem with the Knicks isn't just injury, it's age. The players who are getting hurt are old/injury-prone. The players who are coming off the bench or filling in for those guys are old.

When the team is relatively healthy - and I mean the team that began the season with only Shump & Amar'e on the shelf - it looks like a good team with a lot of depth.

But guys have gone down and continue to go down - and what we have left is Melo for scoring; Tyson for rebounding D; JR for scoring off the bench; bunch of old/slow guys.

Because the Knicks are injury-prone, this team is actually poorly constructed. We should have YOUTH to fill holes off the bench, not 38, 39, 40 year olds.

If the team ever gets healthy and plays the kind of defense they did to start the season, I think it could truly be a contender. Til then, they'll be a work in progress.

NYDiva wrote:We would have more than likely won this game with Melo, which is kind of frustrating.

And JR showed tonight why he shouldn't start. He is great off the bench but when the O focuses on him too much, he goes into straight Chucky Smith mode. Not pretty.

I REEEEALLY hope Camby is okay. Love our frontline when he and Tyson are together. They play much better defense and they can board. Without Camby, we're at a loss for a rebound, especially against a good defensive team like the Pacers.

dk7th wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:jr smith with the fool's gold game. is this what we can expect in the playoffs from him. terrible

Well hopefully in the playoffs, we wont be so depleted that he has to handle the ball 99% of the time

Woah. JR has been playing the best ball of his career. Why so negative?

he's a friggin complimentary piece that has to play as the number one option because of the injuries/suspension... he's making a pittance...

but to answer your question, Melo ain't playing, so people have to **** on someone

when you are thrust into the "first option" of the offense taking 29 shots is not the way to get things done. there's passing and there's drawing fouls and getting to the line. money has nothing to do with it. is 29 shots okay?

the team put up a pretty good fight defensively but chucking is a very effective demoralizer.

Don't agree with you much, but I agree here.

Anji wrote:

NYDiva wrote:We would have more than likely won this game with Melo, which is kind of frustrating.

And JR showed tonight why he shouldn't start. He is great off the bench but when the O focuses on him too much, he goes into straight Chucky Smith mode. Not pretty.

I REEEEALLY hope Camby is okay. Love our frontline when he and Tyson are together. They play much better defense and they can board. Without Camby, we're at a loss for a rebound, especially against a good defensive team like the Pacers.

How does tonight show why JR shouldn't start??? This is basically the reason why Woody wants him off the bench, to be the Focus of the offense.

You missed or decided not to pay attention to the "TOO MUCH" part of my post. It's fine if he is the focal part of the offense off the bench. But JR as a first option for offense is problematic due to how erratic he can be. And he will just continue chucking, regardless of whether he has it or not.

He's had a good season to this point - but he is right where he should be on this team. Off the bench.

NYDiva wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYDiva wrote:We would have more than likely won this game with Melo, which is kind of frustrating.

And JR showed tonight why he shouldn't start. He is great off the bench but when the O focuses on him too much, he goes into straight Chucky Smith mode. Not pretty.

I REEEEALLY hope Camby is okay. Love our frontline when he and Tyson are together. They play much better defense and they can board. Without Camby, we're at a loss for a rebound, especially against a good defensive team like the Pacers.

How does tonight show why JR shouldn't start??? This is basically the reason why Woody wants him off the bench, to be the Focus of the offense.

You missed or decided not to pay attention to the "TOO MUCH" part of my post. It's fine if he is the focal part of the offense off the bench. But JR as a first option for offense is problematic due to how erratic he can be. And he will just continue chucking, regardless of whether he has it or not.

He's had a good season to this point - but he is right where he should be on this team. Off the bench.

If Jr starts the offense won't focus on him at all. He is the first option off the bench, this is empty reasoning, what you say you don't want happens more if he is coming off the bench with Priggy, Novak, Copeland as the other ball handlers. Tonight was a rough night,but is no reason to take digs at JR that are actually backwards.

Having him come off the bench keeps him in the 'energizer/instant offense' role that usually works for the team. He can be the focus of the offense vs an opponent's second unit and score off of those guys. But he should not be starting - he is too erratic & still lacks the discipline to make smarter decisions offensively when his shot is off. Thankfully, it appears that Woodson agrees with me.

To say that he is too erratic to be that guy, while he every game for about a quarter and anytime we are without Melo (injury/foul/spen) is speaking out both sides off your mouth.

He would be better living off of the play off Melo and our pick and roll IMO. That would be the 3rd option.