martin wrote:meanwhile, Amare actually looked decent this game.

Numbers wise - better.

Rebounding is still way under par. The fumble-itis needs to end.

But better.

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Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

thats a lot of ifs

Dirk was definitely a Hall of Famer before that title. Guy revolutionalized the game.

Revolutionalized the game after he won the title. before that he was deemed soft and known for losing to the 8th seed Warriors. He probably was still hall of fame but his legend is much stronger with a title.

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

thats a lot of ifs

Dirk was definitely a Hall of Famer before that title. Guy revolutionalized the game.

Revolutionalized the game after he won the title. before that he was deemed soft and known for losing to the 8th seed Warriors. He probably was still hall of fame but his legend is much stronger with a title.

He wasn't deemed soft.

His playoff numbers were ALWAYS better than his season numbers, even before the title. Guy was ALWAYS clutch and always a leader.

He lost one series to the Warriors who were absolutely out of their minds at that point.

He revolutionized the game way before the title with his combination of skills and size. No other big man had that before he started doing it.

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martin wrote:meanwhile, Amare actually looked decent this game.

Numbers wise - better.

Rebounding is still way under par. The fumble-itis needs to end.

But better.

We beat Mavs on the boards and don't recall Amare losing a rebound battle to anyone. He didn't rebound poorly.

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FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

thats a lot of ifs

Dirk was definitely a Hall of Famer before that title. Guy revolutionalized the game.

Revolutionalized the game after he won the title. before that he was deemed soft and known for losing to the 8th seed Warriors. He probably was still hall of fame but his legend is much stronger with a title.

He wasn't deemed soft.

His playoff numbers were ALWAYS better than his season numbers, even before the title. Guy was ALWAYS clutch and always a leader.

He lost one series to the Warriors who were absolutely out of their minds at that point.

He revolutionized the game way before the title with his combination of skills and size. No other big man had that before he started doing it.

It wasn't a fair depiction but he was deemed soft around the league and in the media.

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FoeDiddy wrote:

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mrKnickShot wrote:Look at all the Dirk ISO's. They work. And they would work with Melo as well and get him into the game.

Oh, I forgot. It does not fit into this "Free Flowing" offense.

Yea, exactly.

You either build an ISO team around Melo or you build an MDA team.

I prefer an MDA team, WE SAW AN MDA TEAM WHEN MELO WAS OUT AND LIN RAN US TO 8-1.

You might prefer Melo.

But let's not get it twisted: it's either Melo or MDA; this can't work the way it is.

A mix of both can work. I'm confident in this. It almost worked in the Boston game. In this game it could have worked too but we went free flow all game and started making bad decisions.

They two styles are opposites. Mixing them causes both to suck.

We can't have it both ways. You run some free flow MDA ball, then pop an ISO or two in, this kills the flow.

It almost feels like we're coaching the other 11 guys to play MDA style, but then letting Melo play a different game.

No way.

didn't say mix in that fashion. Run MDA ball before crunch time...when crunch time hits get your best players in their best spots and ISO. It's safe and cuts down on all these turnovers in crunch time.

You think the bulls in the last minutes ran the triangle offense. Nope..they got Jordan in his spot and had him go to work. if the double comes..pass out and get it to the open man. It's simple basketball. Much better then these bounce passes to Amare and Tyson's knees in crunch time leading to turnovers. Or having Lin dribble outside the 3 pt line for 15 secs and then rushing a jumpshot that bricks. That's not good basketball.

The Suns were fine without having to switch it up in crunch time, we can't forget that.

I think even if you bring Melo ISO at the end, you still crush flow. Maybe even worse than before because guys that have been doing one thing all game are now, at the very end, asked to throw it out the window. And then there is the question of "can Melo stay in the game?" until crunch time to "do his thing"?

To my mind, they don't mix either way you cut it.

That philosophy might be the reason the Lakers beat the Suns all those years. At the end Kobe or Shaq took the important shot. The Suns flip a coin..might be Nash or might be Tim Thomas lol. Run the MDA SSOL.

It still worked, we all know that if the wind blows a few degrees to the left, the Suns are in the Finals.

That's a lot of ifs.

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MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Look at all the Dirk ISO's. They work. And they would work with Melo as well and get him into the game.

Oh, I forgot. It does not fit into this "Free Flowing" offense.

Yea, exactly.

You either build an ISO team around Melo or you build an MDA team.

I prefer an MDA team, WE SAW AN MDA TEAM WHEN MELO WAS OUT AND LIN RAN US TO 8-1.

You might prefer Melo.

But let's not get it twisted: it's either Melo or MDA; this can't work the way it is.

A mix of both can work. I'm confident in this. It almost worked in the Boston game. In this game it could have worked too but we went free flow all game and started making bad decisions.

They two styles are opposites. Mixing them causes both to suck.

We can't have it both ways. You run some free flow MDA ball, then pop an ISO or two in, this kills the flow.

It almost feels like we're coaching the other 11 guys to play MDA style, but then letting Melo play a different game.

No way.

didn't say mix in that fashion. Run MDA ball before crunch time...when crunch time hits get your best players in their best spots and ISO. It's safe and cuts down on all these turnovers in crunch time.

You think the bulls in the last minutes ran the triangle offense. Nope..they got Jordan in his spot and had him go to work. if the double comes..pass out and get it to the open man. It's simple basketball. Much better then these bounce passes to Amare and Tyson's knees in crunch time leading to turnovers. Or having Lin dribble outside the 3 pt line for 15 secs and then rushing a jumpshot that bricks. That's not good basketball.

The Suns were fine without having to switch it up in crunch time, we can't forget that.

I think even if you bring Melo ISO at the end, you still crush flow. Maybe even worse than before because guys that have been doing one thing all game are now, at the very end, asked to throw it out the window. And then there is the question of "can Melo stay in the game?" until crunch time to "do his thing"?

To my mind, they don't mix either way you cut it.

That philosophy might be the reason the Lakers beat the Suns all those years. At the end Kobe or Shaq took the important shot. The Suns flip a coin..might be Nash or might be Tim Thomas lol. Run the MDA SSOL.

It still worked, we all know that if the wind blows a few degrees to the left, the Suns are in the Finals.

That's a lot of ifs.

They're tiny ifs. Literally a ****'s hair away from the Finals.

We're not talking "if they had 5 more seasons" or anything long-term.

They were there.

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martin wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:meanwhile, Amare actually looked decent this game.

Numbers wise - better.

Rebounding is still way under par. The fumble-itis needs to end.

But better.

We beat Mavs on the boards and don't recall Amare losing a rebound battle to anyone. He didn't rebound poorly.

yeah, I didn't see the rebounding as a problem, even if his numbers were low. and a lot of the fumbles were either passes that were off or in heavy traffic, or Amare was fouled and it wasn't called.

I was more focusing on defense and his explosion.

Amare definitely played better defense.

He has terrible hands. Awful. How about that play that went to review?

Anyway, he definitely played much better tonight. It sad that are front line can't all have a good game in the same game.

They just don't really click? System does not cater to all of them? ... Frustrating

I don't think he has bad hands..he's a bad dribbler and gets antsy in traffic. and on that replay he got his arm hacked so badly by Dirk. No way he could keep his hands on that ball. Bad non call by refs.

Amare and Melo don't get the calls their suppose to get sometimes cause they just don't sell it like other players in the league.

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:meanwhile, Amare actually looked decent this game.

Numbers wise - better.

Rebounding is still way under par. The fumble-itis needs to end.

But better.

We beat Mavs on the boards and don't recall Amare losing a rebound battle to anyone. He didn't rebound poorly.

yeah, I didn't see the rebounding as a problem, even if his numbers were low. and a lot of the fumbles were either passes that were off or in heavy traffic, or Amare was fouled and it wasn't called.

I was more focusing on defense and his explosion.

Amare definitely played better defense.

He has terrible hands. Awful. How about that play that went to review?

Anyway, he definitely played much better tonight. It sad that are front line can't all have a good game in the same game.

They just don't really click? System does not cater to all of them? ... Frustrating

I don't think he has bad hands..he's a bad dribbler and gets antsy in traffic. and on that replay he got his arm hacked so badly by Dirk. No way he could keep his hands on that ball. Bad non call by refs.

Amare and Melo don't get the calls their suppose to get sometimes cause they just don't sell it like other players in the league.

He has from the worst hands in basketball - please!