Posted by izybx:

Posted by Markji:

Nalod

Bitty will pounce on your moral inaccuracy and Seb will follow with some profound logic that is indisputable from his perspective.

Briggs will remind us the sky is falling, and Nalod will tell you the sky is not really there.

Playa stays away from politics believing there is no election gonna happen anyway.

Then Little bonnie chimes in some some suck up agreeable say nothing comment in his continued quest for peer approval. It must have been hell for him in the locker room after gym class!

Nalod - very insightful and enjoyable.
Oh, oh - I hope I am not being too agreeable!

I think the "Vote Now" poll shows that most of UK posters are intelligent thinkers; not fooled very easily. or some may say we are "Liberals" like that's bad, right?? Here are the results:

84.4% Obama/Biden
8.9% McCain/Palin
6.7% Undecided

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09162008/news/politics/mac_makes_move_on_dem_empire_129286.htm

This poll shows that almost half of New yorkers are unintelligent and easily fooled. Ah man I wish i could be a smart liberal like the rest of you guys.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Today's gallop poll is important. I would think we would want to see some weakness for the first time in awhile by McCain via that interview with Palin. I don't think it came off to well and perhaps some reality will kick in.

gotta give the Palin interview a few days to settle in. I think today is too short.

Posted by firefly:

Posted by BRIGGS:

The economic fallout has caused a +5 reversal. We needed a gaffe and some momentum and I think we got a fairly good Palin gaffe and a huge material event that reflects directly on Republicanm failed leadership. Now we are on their 40 +2 late in the third.

The economic fallout will affect both cadidates equally. Its really all about which one react better to it.

The guy who stands up and demands better banking regulations and more fiscal transparency will probably hit all the approval ratings.

Actually, if you think about it, this could be pretty useful for both parties. Plus you could raise taxes to fund better regulation and at this point, whos going to argue?

Posted by Nalod:

(quote from Nalod)
DJ, I hear you.

NYC is not the rest of the country. To McCains credit he has been able to remove himself from Bush and steal the "change" philosphy.

Also the election is not logical progression but emotional values at stake.

I think discussing politics here in full is very hard as it takes an even better writing skill than I posess to even begin to clarify my points. Thus leave somting out or not clarify the emotionality and its pretty predicatble:

Bitty will pounce on your moral inaccuracy and Seb will follow with some profound logic that is indisputable from his perspective.

Briggs will remind us the sky is falling, and Nalod will tell you the sky is not really there.

Playa stays away from politics believing there is no election gonna happen anyway.

Then Little bonnie chimes in some some suck up agreeable say nothing comment in his continued quest for peer approval. It must have been hell for him in the locker room after gym class!

What I have come to realize from listening to the UK Gang on our country direction is unbelievable.

Some of you fail to see our country has been hijacked.

We have detention center camps being built all over our country, just waiting for prisoners from a martial law roundup.

And how many americans have been rounded up so far as a result of being a 'suspected terrorist'?

In the United States TODAY you only need to be SUSPECTED of some how being linked to 'terrorism' to be held indefinitely, with out charges, courts or access to a lawyer.

If you speak out publicly againt the Bush Administration, you are a 'terrorist' If you do a bunch what used to be innocent things in this country, you can be held has a 'terrorist'

If you disrupt the function of a govt office in ANY way... your a 'terrorist'.Just a matter of time before regular American citizens are ripped out of their homes, off the streets and detained indefinately.


Did you all forget how such a huge percent of the World Trade Center cleanup crews have and are dying from inhalation of toxins-Ignored by our government's health care (OSHA was "shooed away" by Rudy when cleanup began).

How a private mercenary army (Blackwater), "journalists" and some hollywood celebrities beat the U.S. govt. to post-Katrina New Orleans?

But if I go along with everything the governement says, they'll leave me alone" which its coming to real FAST.

I don't care if you're in denial, think you have "inside information" or really believe most of the govt lies because you've become accustomed to it, which is one of the ideas behind repetitive propaganda,keep on repeating things until they believe it.

Google torture and detainment of U.S. citizens as law
No, these laws have not been implemented in wide-scale hollywood-style roundups of innocent citizens yet,
but someone tell me why the are these laws on the books to begin with if not to serve some kind of purpose for the govt in the near future?

I know lets all vote for the Mummy and the Mommy to lead America into a better age.

It doesn't matter what goes on this fall, the pages have been turned and who ever is president in 2009 will likely become a puppet that the elitist will mold and shape.

America: Freedom to Fascism is a compelling and troubling account of how the wealth of our nation was silently passed from its citizens to a handful of powerful bankers in 1913. That's the year the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment were introduced, giving a privately held corporation the means to control our finances while ensuring its interest payments through the strong arms of the newly-formed Internal Revenue Service. Ever since then, Arron Russo suggests, Americans have been gradually conditioned to accept fewer freedoms and a lower standard of living... all the while considering debt and servitude as distinctly American values.

You can watch it here:








[Edited by - playa2 on 18-09-2008 06:39]

Posted by playa2:

Posted by Nalod:

DJ, I hear you.

NYC is not the rest of the country. To McCains credit he has been able to remove himself from Bush and steal the "change" philosphy.

Also the election is not logical progression but emotional values at stake.

I think discussing politics here in full is very hard as it takes an even better writing skill than I posess to even begin to clarify my points. Thus leave somting out or not clarify the emotionality and its pretty predicatble:

Bitty will pounce on your moral inaccuracy and Seb will follow with some profound logic that is indisputable from his perspective.

Briggs will remind us the sky is falling, and Nalod will tell you the sky is not really there.

Playa stays away from politics believing there is no election gonna happen anyway.

Then Little bonnie chimes in some some suck up agreeable say nothing comment in his continued quest for peer approval. It must have been hell for him in the locker room after gym class!

What I have come to realize from listening to the UK Gang on our country direction is unbelievable.

Some of you fail to see our country has been hijacked.




[Edited by - playa2 on 18-09-2008 06:39]

playa, I appreciate you posting on the UK site, but what does this have to do with anything regarding the upcoming election? Please keep this stuff in your OT threads.

Posted by MS:

There is no question that this administration has made a number or tremendous mistakes. But, lets not blame the economy entirely on them, considering in was on the way down when clinton went out of office. The war was mishandled, the economy is faltering. Everyone was at fault here Republicans and Democrats, they should have seen this coming, the SEC should have stepped in, but they didn't.

However, the media has been far more cut throat towards McCain and Palin then they have been with Obama, everyone complains about Fox News, but fails to bring up the New York Times, fails to bring up the one sided nature of pop culture like US Weekly, Rolling Stone, TV Shows, etc. All I hear from Obama is how his judgment should be trusted because he didn't vote for the war, which John McCain, John Kerry, Hiliary Clinton, and JOE BINDEN all voted for.

Obama wants to repeal the tax cutes and enforce capital gains which will be detrimental to investing and small business owners, 250k is a lot of money, but not when you factor in living in a metropolitan city and having to support a family, pay for college, etc. He complains about equal pay calling for women to make the same amount of money as men, but the women on his staff are making 8k less than the men. And anyone who bitches about the media and reverend wright please look at the inverse of the situation if mccains spiritual advisor was a racist with clan ties. You can't say the priest who married you, baptized your children, a man who you sat through 20 years of sermons isn't a big influence on your life and you can't discount his views.

You want to talk about experience I agree Palin doesn't have much, the Gibson interview was not a shinning moment clearly, but neither does Obama, he rose to his position like most politicians through a close affaliation within his party that allowed Obama to ride his coat tails, and be on bills with him in order to rise within his party. A lot has to change and our either of these tickets really committed to it? No one can really be sure, but talking about change and actually having a record of change is a big difference.

Why did McCain change his platform from the primary. In those primaries McCain indicated that the country was on the right path but now he steals Obama's platform when it becomes apparent that people want change versus status quo. McCain lost all credibility when three agos indicated that the economy is fundamentally sound but as the market began to tumble. He changed his stance. Wow. That shows a man who doesn't have a clue about what's going on in this country. I think he is too focus on beating Saddam, oh wait he's dead. Why are we still in Iraq again?