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JrZyHuStLa
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5/28/2008  12:23 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

barry's offensive move was totally impeded by fisher. clearly a foul. so many games decided by ref calls down the stretch of games but this obvious one, they swallow the whistle.

something is going on with these refs the past few years. it has gotten considerably worse and inconsistent. not sure what's going on...

Not sure why you guys think it was a foul when 3 referees, Popovich, and Barry himself admitted he wouldn't get that call.
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5/28/2008  12:33 AM
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It didn't affect his shot at all. If he knew how to close a game he would've chucked the ball up during the contact.

So jumping on him didn't affect his being able to get a good shot off?

He shot it after the contact, that's what I'm saying. No referee will give anyone that call, including the 3 that were present at the game. They would've been forced to blow the whistle if he shot it once fisher left his feet.

It was definitely after the contact. That's why I think it should have been a 2 shot foul.
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5/28/2008  12:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

barry's offensive move was totally impeded by fisher. clearly a foul. so many games decided by ref calls down the stretch of games but this obvious one, they swallow the whistle.

something is going on with these refs the past few years. it has gotten considerably worse and inconsistent. not sure what's going on...

It's almost as bad as MLB umps this year. I've never seen so many blown homerun calls.

Not counting John Sterling of course.
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5/28/2008  12:36 AM
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:

barry's offensive move was totally impeded by fisher. clearly a foul. so many games decided by ref calls down the stretch of games but this obvious one, they swallow the whistle.

something is going on with these refs the past few years. it has gotten considerably worse and inconsistent. not sure what's going on...

Not sure why you guys think it was a foul when 3 referees, Popovich, and Barry himself admitted he wouldn't get that call.

The Spurs have benefited from the refs more than most during their championship runs so they aren't going to be stupid enough to complain now, especially with another game to be played.
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5/28/2008  1:09 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
Posted by djsunyc:

barry's offensive move was totally impeded by fisher. clearly a foul. so many games decided by ref calls down the stretch of games but this obvious one, they swallow the whistle.

something is going on with these refs the past few years. it has gotten considerably worse and inconsistent. not sure what's going on...

Not sure why you guys think it was a foul when 3 referees, Popovich, and Barry himself admitted he wouldn't get that call.

The Spurs have benefited from the refs more than most during their championship runs so they aren't going to be stupid enough to complain now, especially with another game to be played.

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5/28/2008  4:12 PM
I find it hard to believe that they didn't complain because they've gotten some calls their way in their championship run. More like they knew it was a good no call.
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5/28/2008  11:46 PM
Boston survives after blowing a 10-point lead with 3+ to go. Rip might've blown out his elbow at the end of the game though. Ray Jesus had his best game in the playoffs (29 points, 5-6 from 3).

3-2 C's going back to Detroit. We might have ANOTHER 7-game series here.

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5/29/2008  2:38 AM
League acknowledges Spurs' Barry was fouled


The league office on Wednesday reviewed the final play of the San Antonio Spurs' 93-91 home loss to the Los Angeles Lakers in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals and acknowledged that a two-shot foul should have been called on Derek Fisher for impeding Brent Barry.

After falling behind by seven points in the final minute, San Antonio sliced the deficit to two and regained possession with 2.1 seconds to play.

Barry then wound up with the ball in the center of the floor on a play called for Manu Ginobili and faked Fisher in the air but struggled to get off a 3-point heave at the buzzer after Fisher came down and bumped Barry.

"With the benefit of instant replay, it appears a foul call should have been made," league spokesman Tim Frank said Wednesday.

The miss sealed an L.A. victory that moved the Lakers into a commanding 3-1 series lead entering Thursday's Game 5 at Staples Center.

But the Spurs did not protest the non-call afterward, even though a foul called before the shot would have sent Barry to the line for two free throws and a chance to force overtime.

The non-call nonetheless generated more than the usual scrutiny because the closest referee to the play was Joey Crawford, with whom San Antonio has a contentious recent history.

"That play," Barry said, "was not where the game was lost."

The Spurs, in truth, wouldn't have had a chance to tie or win the game in the final two seconds if not for a fortuitous non-call on the previous possession.

Television replays indicated that Fisher's shot with 6.9 seconds to go grazed the rim before bouncing out of bounds off of Robert Horry's leg, meaning that the Lakers should have had a new shot clock instead of asking Kobe Bryant to hurry a fadeaway jumper after the ensuing timeout.

The new shot clock likely would have forced San Antonio to foul Bryant as opposed to getting the ball back off Bryant's miss to draw up a potential game-winning play.

"It wasn't a foul. ... I think it was a proper no-call from what I saw," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Fisher bumping Barry.

Added Spurs forward Tim Duncan: "You're not going to get that call. They're not going to make that call."

The Lakers were likewise adamant that no foul should have been called on Fisher, pointing at least in part to the fact that they didn't get a new shot clock on the Fisher miss -- and that Bryant didn't earn a single trip to the free-throw line despite attempting 29 shots from the field.

"Yeah, he bumped him," Lakers coach Phil Jackson said of Fisher landing on Barry. "You know, games go like that."

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It was obviously a foul but I was just wondering, would the NBA have admitted this blatant mistake if not for the Donaghy scandal?

The NBA wants the Lakers in the Finals, against the Boston Celtics.

The NBA should replay the end of that game.
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5/29/2008  8:51 AM
Celts are a massive starphuch talent badly coached.
Pistons are a TEAM reasonably coached.

Celts are so talented but play as individual talents.

If not for Rashweed the pistons might have pulled it off.

Celts seem to make things as hard as possible.

As KG says, "its paul pierces team". They show it.

On the other side I watch the Lakers grow. Sasha and Vlad have really matured and are solid role players. Pau is no superstar but plays the white center role better than anyone has for Phil. THe guy can flat out pass in the lane in motion and the offense just clicks. Jax is a freaken genious. I admire the Spurs but this Laker offense is just to versitile to deal with.

Damm Rashweed!!!!!

The bump no call.

Should be a 2 shot foul, but what if the refs got the 24 sec call right? Shot hit the rim.

Ebb and flow, they get it right most of the time and in the end it equals.

I like the Spurs lack of whining and professionalism. They lost the game. It happens.

[Edited by - nalod on 29-05-2008 09:07 AM]
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5/29/2008  10:06 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Celts are a massive starphuch talent badly coached.

....

Celts are so talented but play as individual talents.

Where have I heard this before....? hmmm.....

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5/29/2008  1:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If that had happened to Jordan, would that have been a foul?

Hell, if that had happened to Kobe, would that have been a foul?

Absolutely, positively yes.

That's why Phil Jackson makes sure that they're on his team.

ROFL @Isles so true , so true. somewhere stern is displaying his sheepish grin.

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5/29/2008  1:56 PM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by islesfan:

If that had happened to Jordan, would that have been a foul?

Hell, if that had happened to Kobe, would that have been a foul?

Absolutely, positively yes.

That's why Phil Jackson makes sure that they're on his team.

ROFL @Isles so true , so true. somewhere stern is displaying his sheepish grin.

Somewhere Stern is being his typical obnoxiously arrogant self, pretending that his league is above reproach. Despite the ref fixing scandal, the unsportsmanlike flopping problem, the restriction against high school players being eligible for the draft which makes O.J. Mayo scandals possible, constantly declining tv ratings, players coming out saying that they and most players smoke marijuana to their hearts content in the offseason...
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5/29/2008  2:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by playa2:
Posted by islesfan:

If that had happened to Jordan, would that have been a foul?

Hell, if that had happened to Kobe, would that have been a foul?

Absolutely, positively yes.

That's why Phil Jackson makes sure that they're on his team.

ROFL @Isles so true , so true. somewhere stern is displaying his sheepish grin.

Somewhere Stern is being his typical obnoxiously arrogant self, pretending that his league is above reproach. Despite the ref fixing scandal, the unsportsmanlike flopping problem, the restriction against high school players being eligible for the draft which makes O.J. Mayo scandals possible, constantly declining tv ratings, players coming out saying that they and most players smoke marijuana to their hearts content in the offseason...


Actually I think Stern/NBA makes this acknowledgement to sell out Joey Crack. You know their thinking why did we let this BUM JERK OFF back into our league only for him to F'up a routine officiated play in one of the biggest games of the season. The NBA rarely acknowledges any wrongdoing. Now Stern has to put on heirs there's accountability to shun away the crowd who feel it's staged for a Celtics/Lakers finals.

I boycotted the Finals in 02 when the Lakers played the Nets looks like I'll be doing it again. I'm not watching scripted Chit anymore enough is enough with this crap. This is the only sport in which you absolutely can't trust the Post-Season. Every yr something happens.
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5/29/2008  3:15 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

I boycotted the Finals in 02 when the Lakers played the Nets looks like I'll be doing it again.

Judging by the ratings that series got, you weren't the only one.
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5/29/2008  5:29 PM
Nobody bugged that the Lakes should have had a fresh 24 sec. right before that play?

To me OT would have sorted it all out.

Either way Im good, I see both sides.
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5/29/2008  5:29 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Spurs Cheated again you gotta love the WWF WWE WCE


NBA=FAKE!!!!!!!

Spurs got away with murder last year against the suns.
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5/29/2008  7:00 PM
Posted by islesfan:

If that had happened to Jordan, would that have been a foul?

Hell, if that had happened to Kobe, would that have been a foul?

Absolutely, positively yes.

That's why Phil Jackson makes sure that they're on his team.

If that happened to Hubert Davis would that have been a foul?
Hell yes.

Why is Joey Crawford refing the Spurs games?
This league is getting dumb and dumber by the day.

Why the F' did Chicago get the first overall pick?
For the love of God this league is become more and more BS every year.

Why the F' is Garnett on the Celtic?

Why is Gasol onthe Lakers?

The NBA is a huge scam.
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5/29/2008  7:21 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Spurs Cheated again you gotta love the WWF WWE WCE


NBA=FAKE!!!!!!!

Spurs got away with murder last year against the suns.


Last yr the NBA=FAKE

I don't get your point Nalod?
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5/29/2008  11:11 PM
The Refs are trying their best to keep the Spurs in the game due to Joey's Debacle.
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5/29/2008  11:40 PM
My Finals matchup is 1/2 right now. All Boston needs to do is win more. It's too bad I hate both teams very much.
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