nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Liberal Democrats living in their comfy urban enclaves need to get out and drive around the rest of the country. You are right about one thing, middle America has spoken, but it is not only whites that need jobs. The relocation of manufacturing and light manufacturing has devastated entire communities and towns leaving only hopelessness. You mock the uneducated Trump supporters, but you do not live where they live. Yes, middle America is not as educated or smart as urban democratic controlled cities, but there are good people there who just want to work and provide for their families, have affordable health care and good schools for their kids. They have ethics and moral values that are a throwback to Mayberry. These are communities where everyone pithes in to help anyone in need. Can you say that about your neighborhood. You can't judge middle America by the 10 second sound bites of Trump supporters you see on CNN. These are real people with real lives in real need. Let's all hope we can navigate a positive path to positive change for the betterment of the most needy sector of our country, the forgotten middle class

jrodmc wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Well no they didn't. It's not like a non establishment candidate was available on every race for them to vote on. They voted against the establishment at the top of the ticket to send a message, it was about the only thing they could do. Tru.p is in opposition with Republicans on some things not all, they'll have plenty of common ground. Do you honestly think the troubling would have given Hillary a blank check, is this more out less if a clusterfukk composted to that? The Clintons have been giving big business all the per for ages.

Nix, how do you explain Hillarious not getting as much of Black and Hispanic America to vote for her as Obama did? Are all those people ignorant as well? And try not to sound like a racist.
Yes, I'm sure White America doesn't understand Trump is a true rogue who was a Democrat not that long ago. Why would anyone in White America know that?

And i didn't vote or support this deranged clown at all.

Clinton and her people had their own problems in terms of how they did outreach. They missed a lot of the important and SIMPLE things that could've touched not only AA's and Latinos, but the Trump Voters as well. A more economy centric campaign that spent time in RED America would've been the 1st thing they should've done.

I'm telling you that these people in RED America continually vote against their own best interests. They did it with BUSH and they did it again with TRUMP. They don't realize that Trump won't be able to deliver on what he's promised and that BIG BUSINESS is behind the Republicans in Congress and they will stop Trump from doing the VERY expensive things he promised his voters. WHY? TAXES. The Republicans will not back his big spending programs and if they do that at the same time as cutting taxes then you end up with Bush again.

Yes there is PLENTY of stuff that Trump and the Republicans can and will do where they agree, Getting rid of Obamacare, Dodd/Frank etc. but there is a TON of stuff that he will not be able to get thru congress because they don't believe in it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Markji wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Markji wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.

You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Don't count Trump out as a reformer. He is not a right wing Conservative. Trump has battled the political establishment from day 1. I believe he will nominate a SC judge who will be moderate and be for repealing Citizen's United. The big PAC money was against Trump and he recognizes this as a future weapon against him. So, IMO, Trump will eliminate it and push for campaign finance reform and will need the Supreme Court to back him..

I think Trump will act a lot like Bernie would have. I am not sure if Trump's final ad was posted on this thread. Watch it. To me, it seems like many of Bernie's ideas and sentiment but spoken by Trump. Both Bernie and Trump were for dismembering the corrupt political establishment and I think Trump will work to do this.
(Disclaimer - I supported Bernie; I did not support or vote for Trump).

I hope you're right but have you looked at his list of possible SC nominations? How much do you know about those people? (I haven't actually looked into each one.) Don't forget Pence is his VP. I don't think he would nominate someone his VP disapproves of.

To make the change in the corrupt political system that Trump is talking about, he must first change the campaign finance laws so big money doesn't buy candidates. So that is my hope. I am always optimistic at the beginning of new things ( like the Knicks seasons) and I give people the benefit of the doubt and hope for the best. Logically, this seems like what Trump will/should do.

nixluva wrote:

callmened wrote:i have to admit that i have more respect for Trump. He smartly ran a campaign based on HATE and HEAR. Americans responded to EMOTION because there was a lot of angry people out there in the midwest and south. regardless, he was the underdog and i always gain respect for when the underdog wins. with that said, hes said some sexist, racist things in the past. so i question his character and moral fiber. However i try to stay positive and hope that this leads to positive change. I'd label myself as more of a liberal (with fiscal conservative tendencies at times) but BALANCE is always good. despite his rhetoric, i think his job is to be a puppet for the GOP and execute their plans. i don't think this is the end of the world and i dont plan on moving to canada.

EXACTLY!!!

The problem is that many of the Progressive gains will be rolled back. This is the Republican's Wet Dream to have 100% control of the government.
Congress and not Trump will be running this place.

Republicans have no excuses any more.
If they with fail to deliver they will going to pay the heavy price next time around like Dems did now.
This is the strength of American society.
No matter what politicians do the live goes on based on the laws of the human nature and human society.
We are what we are. We are not perfect but we are trying to get better, more human, more spiritual.
And slowly but surely we do... because essentially this is the only way we can survive and thrive.

Rookie wrote:

nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Liberal Democrats living in their comfy urban enclaves need to get out and drive around the rest of the country. You are right about one thing, middle America has spoken, but it is not only whites that need jobs. The relocation of manufacturing and light manufacturing has devastated entire communities and towns leaving only hopelessness. You mock the uneducated Trump supporters, but you do not live where they live. Yes, middle America is not as educated or smart as urban democratic controlled cities, but there are good people there who just want to work and provide for their families, have affordable health care and good schools for their kids. They have ethics and moral values that are a throwback to Mayberry. These are communities where everyone pithes in to help anyone in need. Can you say that about your neighborhood. You can't judge middle America by the 10 second sound bites of Trump supporters you see on CNN. These are real people with real lives in real need. Let's all hope we can navigate a positive path to positive change for the betterment of the most needy sector of our country, the forgotten middle class

This people are the core of America. The backbone.
This is the next frontier we have in front of us to lift the country higher.
This is the huge untapped potential Trump is talking about.
And there is the bridge which can connect this people to the Cities - the Suburbia where those who create the wealth of this country are leaving.
We are the same blood - we build our live with our own hands and intellect.
We have so many things to do that it will be enough work for everyone.
Can it be done? We are going to see.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:Watching CBSN... commentator saying if Trump did what Hillary did last night, people would be up in arms. Yet again, people are asking "Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?"

BRIGGS called it.

Her speech is imminent.

What is the point the commentator is trying to make, that Hillary gets away with things Trump wouldn't be able to get away with?..Come on..

She didn't even prepare for this eventuality. They didn't think it was possible. You have to be fair. You know Clinton people would be screaming bloody murder calling him a sore loser.