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DrAlphaeus
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11/9/2016  8:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  8:05 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

The Clintons are smug and come across as smug..Nothing they did showed any humility..They wanted you to accept their way on their terms..She wanted you to vote for her after calling you deplorable..Bill was smug enough to want to take a shot at Obamacare while Obama was still there..


The deplorable comment was a really bad mistake but it pales in comparison to many of the things Trump said. Perhaps she didn't show humility but did Donald Trump ever show any?

"I know you are but what am I?" You've got to do better than this, Bonn.

Trump's an arrogant a-hole, but we've foisted this ego-centric BS upon ourselves as a nation. Some of the more liberal radio talk shows (in not too unapparent mourning) were wondering if Trump ever had an 'oh shit' moment when the election was won.

I doubt either of them would have.

Start praying seriously to your God or look into emigration. This is going to be really weird folks.

Daddy Warbucks is President, and we "won't ever have to settle for less than the best".

Holeeeeeeeee crap.


And yeah, Dr. A, if you're out there, I wrote my choice in again. LOL

Shout out to jrod and Alan Keyes!

Dr Ben Carson endorsement paid off for Trump!

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11/9/2016  8:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  8:07 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

The Clintons are smug and come across as smug..Nothing they did showed any humility..They wanted you to accept their way on their terms..She wanted you to vote for her after calling you deplorable..Bill was smug enough to want to take a shot at Obamacare while Obama was still there..


The deplorable comment was a really bad mistake but it pales in comparison to many of the things Trump said. Perhaps she didn't show humility but did Donald Trump ever show any?

"I know you are but what am I?" You've got to do better than this, Bonn.

Trump's an arrogant a-hole, but we've foisted this ego-centric BS upon ourselves as a nation. Some of the more liberal radio talk shows (in not too unapparent mourning) were wondering if Trump ever had an 'oh shit' moment when the election was won.

I doubt either of them would have.

Start praying seriously to your God or look into emigration. This is going to be really weird folks.

Daddy Warbucks is President, and we "won't ever have to settle for less than the best".

Holeeeeeeeee crap.


And yeah, Dr. A, if you're out there, I wrote my choice in again. LOL


What do you mean I have to do better? I'm just a message board poster. You mean Hillary had to do better? Obviously, she needed to since winning the popular vote is not good enough.
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11/9/2016  8:37 AM
djsunyc wrote:ok - america has spoken and elected trump.

now we all just need to hope for the best. and hope ruth ginsberg is healthy and stays alive.

Agree. Hoping he is more Left socially than he is claimimg. Maybe it's not going to be as bad as I think. Concerns me though, that we may have just made Americans even more unpopular abroad. Was planning on taking my family to Europe next summer. Think I'll wait to see how things pan out. Well I guess the market will have some buying oopurtunities today.

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11/9/2016  8:48 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

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11/9/2016  8:53 AM
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I agree with your comment about the Dems. New blood is definitely needed. This election is the official end of the 90's democrats. It is also the end of people in politics sharing info via email. lol
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11/9/2016  9:06 AM
The Canadian Immigration website crashed last night..
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11/9/2016  9:14 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

The Clintons are smug and come across as smug..Nothing they did showed any humility..They wanted you to accept their way on their terms..She wanted you to vote for her after calling you deplorable..Bill was smug enough to want to take a shot at Obamacare while Obama was still there..


The deplorable comment was a really bad mistake but it pales in comparison to many of the things Trump said. Perhaps she didn't show humility but did Donald Trump ever show any?

"I know you are but what am I?" You've got to do better than this, Bonn.


What do you mean I have to do better? I'm just a message board poster.

The day the board's resident metrics/sample size analyst denigrates himself. The world is truly coming to an end.

And here i thought the bar had been set so much higher than just "message board poster". LOL

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11/9/2016  9:17 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  9:23 AM
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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11/9/2016  9:34 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Radical change to socialism/communism is a proven way to hell.
American people may not be a smartest bunch but they are not so stupid to support this.
Millions who emigrated from communist and leftist countries will vote for Devil himself to prevent America slipping left.
Almost 100% of Russian vote for Trump and they know what communism is all about.
Time for Technocrats is coming. Time to cleanup the house.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/9/2016  9:36 AM
The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

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11/9/2016  9:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  9:44 AM
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Radical change to socialism/communism is a proven way to hell.
American people may not be a smartest bunch but they are not so stupid to support this.
Millions who emigrated from communist and leftist countries will vote for Devil himself to prevent America slipping left.
Almost 100% of Russian vote for Trump and they know what communism is all about.
Time for Technocrats is coming. Time to cleanup the house.

Perfect example of how propaganda affects the low information voters. People associate socialism with the "evil empires." You do know that there are a number of socialist countries that exist today that function fairly well. Heck, Canada is a socialist country. Communism and socialism are not synonyms.
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11/9/2016  9:44 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Now that I have a few minutes let me just end the night by saying this.

Donald Trump will end up being the best President in our lifetimes. He will be aggressive helping restore good paying jobs to all American citizens--help wages grow and lower taxes. He will help restore some pride in the US clearly lost over numerous years. Hes a common sense New Yorker at the end of the day. Hes a builder who is cunning smart and meticulous. His narcissism will help him --his energy will help him --and in turn hes going to help the US. Whether some people like it or not--feel its racist or not--illegal immigration has to be controlled. We cannot be an out of control free border state anymore--doesnt work. We need to take pride in our borders and keep drugs out of our nation the best we can. We need to have good strong relations--but fair relations where the US isnt pulling the load 90% of the time. If you look past the rhetoric--a lot of it is just common sense reasonable ideas. I could go on here but Im tired. Give him a chance just like anyone else who has earned the right.

Lastly the media the elitists people behind the scenes who run it and the entertainment community just got a well deserved major-league kick in the ass. We were "Russia' the last 6 months but the democracy of the people saw through it and rejected it. For every person who tried to impose their will --to bully Trump voters--God spoke to you last night.

For those who are saying this is racist--these are many of the same people who voted in Obama the least 8 years--its the majority of the US citizens. Unfortunately there will always be bad apples but the approach of keeping an open mind and not thinking the walls will be tumbling down is the right way. The people who voted this way were simply fed up with the ongoing direction of this country where the rich get richer and the middle class has to deal with finding jobs stagnant pay increasing health care costs staggering debt. It didnt take a rocket scientist to figure it out.

I knew trump would win--I paid attention. While I didnt see much of Fairfield County in CT I did see a lot of Eastern CT which to me equated to many of the parts of the US. I saw 5-6 Trump signs to 1 Hillary. I watched on TV and saw tens of thousand of every day people storming to trump rallies wiling to sit outside the stadiums if necessary. I paid attention to social media and listened to my friends. The day that I knew wed win was the day my daughter came back from her schools vote--While mentioned as insignificant--I did not think so. A school made up of well educated good kids with a majority of females put him in 51-39. You start doing the math there and at minimum despite all odds it was going to be close. Another sign--Bill Belechik and Tom Brady letting people know in a nonchalant way they were voting Trump. It was the "quiet" Trump vote I believed would be a game changer and it was.


So this is done and good riddance--Im sick of it. New day tomorrow and this thread officially dies. Oh and people like Miley Cyrus--if you dont like the US and want to get out--dont let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Well I have to tip my cap to you BRIGGS and guns. You guys were onto something. Have to man up at least to that.

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11/9/2016  9:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  11:26 AM
nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Well no they didn't. It's not like a non establishment candidate was available on every race for them to vote on. They voted against the establishment at the top of the ticket to send a message, it was about the only thing they could do. Trump is in opposition with Republicans on some things not all, they'll have plenty of common ground. Do you honestly think the republicans would have given Hillary a blank check, is this more out less if a clusterfukk compared to that? The Clintons have been giving big business all the power for ages.

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11/9/2016  9:49 AM
Welpee wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Radical change to socialism/communism is a proven way to hell.
American people may not be a smartest bunch but they are not so stupid to support this.
Millions who emigrated from communist and leftist countries will vote for Devil himself to prevent America slipping left.
Almost 100% of Russian vote for Trump and they know what communism is all about.
Time for Technocrats is coming. Time to cleanup the house.

Perfect example of how propaganda affects the low information voters. People associate socialism with the "evil empires." You do know that there are a number of socialist countries that exist today that function fairly well. Heck, Canada is a socialist country. Communism and socialism are not synonyms.

Don't waste your time.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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11/9/2016  10:00 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Well no they didn't. It's not like a non establishment candidate was available on every race for them to vote on. They voted against the establishment at the top of the ticket to send a message, it was about the only thing they could do. Tru.p is in opposition with Republicans on some things not all, they'll have plenty of common ground. Do you honestly think the troubling would have given Hillary a blank check, is this more out less if a clusterfukk composted to that? The Clintons have been giving big business all the per for ages.

Nix, how do you explain Hillarious not getting as much of Black and Hispanic America to vote for her as Obama did? Are all those people ignorant as well? And try not to sound like a racist.
Yes, I'm sure White America doesn't understand Trump is a true rogue who was a Democrat not that long ago. Why would anyone in White America know that?

And i didn't vote or support this deranged clown at all.

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11/9/2016  10:07 AM
Welpee wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Radical change to socialism/communism is a proven way to hell.
American people may not be a smartest bunch but they are not so stupid to support this.
Millions who emigrated from communist and leftist countries will vote for Devil himself to prevent America slipping left.
Almost 100% of Russian vote for Trump and they know what communism is all about.
Time for Technocrats is coming. Time to cleanup the house.

Perfect example of how propaganda affects the low information voters. People associate socialism with the "evil empires." You do know that there are a number of socialist countries that exist today that function fairly well. Heck, Canada is a socialist country. Communism and socialism are not synonyms.

This is how millions are affected by communist propaganda and believe me communists and socialists know how to do it better that anyone.
In fact they do not know how to do anything else but it.
For people who lived in this countries (most of the world population) it is not propaganda - it is experience.
Canada is typical capitalist country with social services based on wealth collected by society and yes generated by this blooded rich people.
America voted for society which gives people what they deserve by hard work, smarts, entrepreneurship, and risk.
Equality has nothing to do with human race. Equal opportunity is name of the game.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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11/9/2016  10:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  10:23 AM
jrodmc wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
nixluva wrote:The people in middle America just voted for a fraud. They also left in place THE ENTIRE POLITICAL SYSTEM that they claim to hate. All those Republicans who have been actually hurting them and making their lives harder are in full power now.

For Trump he is actually in opposition to those very Republicans he's gonna need to get ANYTHING he wants done. How do these fractured Republicans actually govern? When Trump starts asking for the money for the things he promised his voters will the Republicans give him a blank check? This is a CLUSTERPHUCK!!!

White America just voted for a BUSINESSMAN and he's talking about helping big businesses and the RICH with huge tax cuts and deregulation. These voters simply don't understand who they just voted for. The bought the hype Trump was selling but they never actually thought about the policies he stands for. Trump will not be able to force the Republicans in Congress to go along with his bold plans. Trump and his voters are going to find out that they just gave Big Business all the power.

Well no they didn't. It's not like a non establishment candidate was available on every race for them to vote on. They voted against the establishment at the top of the ticket to send a message, it was about the only thing they could do. Tru.p is in opposition with Republicans on some things not all, they'll have plenty of common ground. Do you honestly think the troubling would have given Hillary a blank check, is this more out less if a clusterfukk composted to that? The Clintons have been giving big business all the per for ages.

Nix, how do you explain Hillarious not getting as much of Black and Hispanic America to vote for her as Obama did? Are all those people ignorant as well? And try not to sound like a racist.
Yes, I'm sure White America doesn't understand Trump is a true rogue who was a Democrat not that long ago. Why would anyone in White America know that?

And i didn't vote or support this deranged clown at all.

It is simple with Hispanic America. They already in and want to lock future newcomers out.
Same for African Americans in regard to new and future African, Latino, and Asian emigrants.
This is the last ditch effort to keep America from becoming multi-minority country.
And this proposition will surely fail.
Everyone will need to fight to get the piece of the pie. No free lunches on any ground.
This new Americans will not give a rat a...ss to what is fair or not because of the things transpired in the past of this country.
Many people think that isolationism will help to delay the inevitable but history cannot be stopped.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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Briggs done better with trump than some of his draft picks!!! Good call on the president.
Im blown away by much of it but my hope the country moves in a good direction.
Im all over the place on this.
Wife is enraged.
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11/9/2016  10:35 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.


Don't count Trump out as a reformer. He is not a right wing Conservative. Trump has battled the political establishment from day 1. I believe he will nominate a SC judge who will be moderate and be for repealing Citizen's United. The big PAC money was against Trump and he recognizes this as a future weapon against him. So, IMO, Trump will eliminate it and push for campaign finance reform and will need the Supreme Court to back him..

I think Trump will act a lot like Bernie would have. I am not sure if Trump's final ad was posted on this thread. Watch it. To me, it seems like many of Bernie's ideas and sentiment but spoken by Trump. Both Bernie and Trump were for dismembering the corrupt political establishment and I think Trump will work to do this.
(Disclaimer - I supported Bernie; I did not support or vote for Trump).

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense. Tom Clancy - author
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11/9/2016  10:41 AM
arkrud wrote:
Welpee wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Markji wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:Can't believe she lost PA, what a complete garbage candidate.
I guess what remains to be seen is how Trump and Republicans work together and if Dems can block a SC nomination like the Reps would have, I already know the answer to that.

Well, I would say this. I know everyone's going to trash Hillary now and say she was deeply flawed. I think her biggest flaw was "going high when they went low" as Michelle Obama put it, though. She tried to keep the discussion at a respectful, presidential level. It's the same mistaken that the 16 Republicans Trump defeated made.

I live in PA - near Pittsburgh. I LOVE Pittsburgh and have always been proud to be part of the state. I'm very disappointed with the state now, though. It seems like it's not the great state I thought it was. We in the Pittsburgh region (and those in the Philly region) tried our best though.

Sorry Bonn, I have been trashing Hillary from day 1. I have never supported her or wanted her, anymore than I supported Trump. What will happen now is all kinds of finger pointing, but this was an anti establishment race. The people have spoken and centrist politicians suck. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but didn't have the brains to do so.

In the long term this maybe the best thing that could have happened to the dems, if they can at least hear the message now, because they clearly weren't able to earlier. It may also be a bad thing for Republicans. They can only unite when they have something to root against.

We will see.


You are right Melo... The People wanted change - both the Liberals and Conservatives. The Dems should have rallied behind Bernie but they suppressed the will of the people and connived to put in the old regime party candidate (Hillary). And lost. All the Dem Party leaders should re-sign and let new blood take over.

The GOP won because the GOP Party leaders tried but couldn't stop Trump. That was fortunate for the GOP because Trump had the will of the people behind him.

The GOP may control Congress and the state legislatures and Governors, but IMO, they don't control the Presidency. Nobody controls Trump. He will do what he wants. Hopefully it will work out to be good for the U.S. and the world.

I think the good will come from politicians realizing how far alienated they are from the people. In the long term, I hope that helps. But for now the democratic party leadership has cost us an SC nominee, I don't hold that against Hillary but I will always hold it against the dems for not backing Bernie when it was obvious the country wanted radical change.

Radical change to socialism/communism is a proven way to hell.
American people may not be a smartest bunch but they are not so stupid to support this.
Millions who emigrated from communist and leftist countries will vote for Devil himself to prevent America slipping left.
Almost 100% of Russian vote for Trump and they know what communism is all about.
Time for Technocrats is coming. Time to cleanup the house.

Perfect example of how propaganda affects the low information voters. People associate socialism with the "evil empires." You do know that there are a number of socialist countries that exist today that function fairly well. Heck, Canada is a socialist country. Communism and socialism are not synonyms.

This is how millions are affected by communist propaganda and believe me communists and socialists know how to do it better that anyone.
In fact they do not know how to do anything else but it.
For people who lived in this countries (most of the world population) it is not propaganda - it is experience.

Canada is typical capitalist country with social services based on wealth collected by society and yes generated by this blooded rich people.
America voted for society which gives people what they deserve by hard work, smarts, entrepreneurship, and risk.
Equality has nothing to do with human race. Equal opportunity is name of the game.

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Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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