Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:Welpee wrote:meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.
I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.
Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.
But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.
Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.
The big secret that many don't realize is that Obama DIDN'T have the AA vote lock up in the beginning. I'm black and I know a lot of folks in my community were leery of Obama and didn't take him seriously until Iowa. AA were solidly in Clinton's corner early on. Of course once he picked up momentum AA jumped in head first with support.
I was going to make this same point re: early support of Obama by African-Americans.
BRIGGS may have also called African Americans, men particularly, saying what do we have to lose with Trump. Clinton may have gotten only 80% black vote in areas of Pennsylvania. I passed a guy here in Brooklyn who said he just wish he could vote Obama third term. The excitement for her isn't there with men of all races, and suburban white women too. Still ain't over but man oh man. I hope I don't have to post on a man up thread ...