nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not sure Florida is over yet, there's something going on there. But it shows how much everybody underestimated the blue collar vote switch and overestimated the women vote.

I'm down in Georgia and I knew how these rural people think. It's something I've seen them do before.
These people are heavy into the culture wars. They constantly vote against their own best interests. This year is about the angry White vote. Welcome back to 1960 America.

I have lived in NC and I know what you are talking about. My question though is how bad is our polling data? The rural votes are carrying the day, the African American vote is lethargic at best, the Latino vote effect was overstated.

These people finally found their champion. They rose up for xenophobia.

lol

reading nixluva's posts on politics and the knicks is like following the pre-election polls. just never right.

Very funny. I'm on the right side of history when it comes to politics. This is not a good thing for this country if Trump wins.

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.

I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.

Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.

But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.

Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.

nixluva wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!

The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.

Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.

The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I doubt people are smart enough to conjure up such a ridiculous idea. Certainly not the leftist liberal leaning ones

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.

I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.

Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.

But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.

Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.

Welpee wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!

The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.

Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.

The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.

I hear ya. The election validated some of the darkest elements of our society and will empower these forces to help take us back to a period where I had hoped we had evolved from.

The Angry White masses have risen. There's no other way to view this. All the nasty xenophobic rhetoric from Trump was sweet nectar for these people. It's not a good sign for the progress we were making.

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.

I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.

Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.

But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.

Obama had a large part of the Democratic voter base locked up. He had the AA vote to separate himself, Bernie had progressives and intellectuals, not the same thing.

The big secret that many don't realize is that Obama DIDN'T have the AA vote lock up in the beginning. I'm black and I know a lot of folks in my community were leery of Obama and didn't take him seriously until Iowa. AA were solidly in Clinton's corner early on. Of course once he picked up momentum AA jumped in head first with support.

True, but it was still a lot more than anything Bernie could conjure running against a the default party candidate.

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.

everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists today

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.

and this is the problem. nobody gives a **** about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.

Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.

yeah i agree with you. He was basically saying im crazy for voting for trump. I admit im not even a trump fan but i feel its the only choice

If you had voted for any other republican candidate and he/she won, I would just tip my hat and say congrats. Trump is a different animal.

i understand your opinion of Trump and i probably agree with some of it BUT calling my decision stupid doesnt exactly make me feel to good especially since i dont consider myself a stupid person

Very smart people make bad (and even stupid) decisions. I'm a democrat and feel we made a stupid decision nominating Clinton.

So all my life when I voted democrat including foolishly for Obama I was a genius. This year because I switched my allegiance and voted Trump I'm stupid. Got it. Very sound and tolerant reasoning

Rob DenBleyker
I am genuinely shocked, and at this point all I can do is hope President Trump is ineffective at hurting the people he's promised to hurt.

gunsnewing wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.

everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists today

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.

and this is the problem. nobody gives a **** about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.

Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.

yeah i agree with you. He was basically saying im crazy for voting for trump. I admit im not even a trump fan but i feel its the only choice

If you had voted for any other republican candidate and he/she won, I would just tip my hat and say congrats. Trump is a different animal.

i understand your opinion of Trump and i probably agree with some of it BUT calling my decision stupid doesnt exactly make me feel to good especially since i dont consider myself a stupid person

Very smart people make bad (and even stupid) decisions. I'm a democrat and feel we made a stupid decision nominating Clinton.

So all my life when I voted democrat including foolishly for Obama I was a genius. This year because I switched my allegiance and voted Trump I'm stupid. Got it. Very sound and tolerant reasoning

and welpee claims he's NOT holier than thou. what a joke.

don't worry, he'll tell you how stupid he thinks you are. just give him the opportunity.