GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.

Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.

That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

Welpee wrote:

holfresh wrote:The spread is 2% in NH and Garry Johnson has 4% of the vote..I mean come on....

I wouldn't blame the 3rd party candidates. This election shouldn't have been close. One thing I will give Trump credit for, he worked his butt off to make this happen.

Nice to see him finally getting some fair even balance level of praise here.

I don't blame y'all though. Just CNN

Welpee wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Welpee wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.

everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists today

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.

and this is the problem. nobody gives a **** about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.

Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.

Again, you have no clue what you're even typing. "Holier than thou?" You're not making any sense.

But yeah, objectively I can't justify anyone voting for Trump. Sorry. People are certainly free to vote for whoever they want, doesn't mean it was a smart decision. There's a town that voted for a little kid as their mayor. It's their choice, no matter how dumb it is.

that's right. deflect it by telling me "i don't know what i'm talking about." typical. thanks for proving everything that's already been assumed.

Then explain how I'm playing the "holier than thou" card. No, that makes no sense.

it's pretty easy and doesn't really need an explanation, but i'll bite.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

what about your statement shows that you don't think you're morally superior to anyone who voted for trump? instead of just saying, "i don't agree with people's vote of trump," you instead think your opinion has more validity than anyone's who voted for trump, by saying you will criticize the trump supporters for their vote. you think your opinion is superior than that of a trump supporter. aka holier than thou.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.

Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.

That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?

Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:I am not sure Florida is over yet, there's something going on there. But it shows how much everybody underestimated the blue collar vote switch and overestimated the women vote.

I'm down in Georgia and I knew how these rural people think. It's something I've seen them do before.
These people are heavy into the culture wars. They constantly vote against their own best interests. This year is about the angry White vote. Welcome back to 1960 America.

I have lived in NC and I know what you are talking about. My question though is how bad is our polling data? The rural votes are carrying the day, the African American vote is lethargic at best, the Latino vote effect was overstated.

These people finally found their champion. They rose up for xenophobia.

lol

reading nixluva's posts on politics and the knicks is like following the pre-election polls. just never right.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Welpee wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.

Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.

That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?

Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear

holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I doubt people are smart enough to conjure up such a ridiculous idea. Certainly not the leftist liberal leaning ones