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nixluva
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11/9/2016  12:23 AM
BUSH VS GORE!!! Here we go again. SMDH!
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11/9/2016  12:23 AM
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11/9/2016  12:24 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.
Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.


That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?
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gunsnewing
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11/9/2016  12:25 AM
Welpee wrote:
holfresh wrote:The spread is 2% in NH and Garry Johnson has 4% of the vote..I mean come on....
I wouldn't blame the 3rd party candidates. This election shouldn't have been close. One thing I will give Trump credit for, he worked his butt off to make this happen.

Nice to see him finally getting some fair even balance level of praise here.

I don't blame y'all though. Just CNN

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11/9/2016  12:25 AM
Trump will pay back lots of folks if he is president..
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11/9/2016  12:26 AM
Welpee wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Welpee wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
Welpee wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:where's hillary's cheerleader, bonn? bonn, it's ok, you can come out now.
everyone has a right to vote for who they want. I voted for trump but i wouldnt criticize anybody voting for hilary. This definetly was unexpected. I knew it was gonna be tight but there have been many twists today
You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump. I still see absolutely no redeeming quality to this guy that even remotely hints that he would make even a semi-competent president. I totally get people not liking Clinton. Heck, I don't like her either, but its like saying the Jets suck so I'm voting for the Cleveland Browns.

and this is the problem. nobody gives a **** about what you think. vote for who you want and let others vote for who they want to. who are you? you have no right and i mean NO RIGHT, to tell anyone who and what to vote for. what a joke.

Tell me when I told anybody who to vote for. Read versus react emotionally.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

oh ok, so you didn't TELL anybody who to vote for but you'll play the holier than thou card and just "criticize" them for voting for trump, since there's a huge difference.

Again, you have no clue what you're even typing. "Holier than thou?" You're not making any sense.

But yeah, objectively I can't justify anyone voting for Trump. Sorry. People are certainly free to vote for whoever they want, doesn't mean it was a smart decision. There's a town that voted for a little kid as their mayor. It's their choice, no matter how dumb it is.

that's right. deflect it by telling me "i don't know what i'm talking about." typical. thanks for proving everything that's already been assumed.

Then explain how I'm playing the "holier than thou" card. No, that makes no sense.

it's pretty easy and doesn't really need an explanation, but i'll bite.

You're right, everybody has a right to vote for who they want but I would definitely criticize anybody voting for Trump.

what about your statement shows that you don't think you're morally superior to anyone who voted for trump? instead of just saying, "i don't agree with people's vote of trump," you instead think your opinion has more validity than anyone's who voted for trump, by saying you will criticize the trump supporters for their vote. you think your opinion is superior than that of a trump supporter. aka holier than thou.

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11/9/2016  12:26 AM
Welpee wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.
I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.

Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.

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11/9/2016  12:27 AM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!

The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.
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11/9/2016  12:28 AM
nixluva wrote:The people who voted for Trump haven't seriously considered the ramifications of that choice and what kind of man they are looking to give ultimate power.

I pray this magically turns around.

Not that I ever took anyone like your words and opinions here as fact but now I know not to ever

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11/9/2016  12:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2016  12:30 AM
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11/9/2016  12:29 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Welpee wrote:
holfresh wrote:The spread is 2% in NH and Garry Johnson has 4% of the vote..I mean come on....
I wouldn't blame the 3rd party candidates. This election shouldn't have been close. One thing I will give Trump credit for, he worked his butt off to make this happen.

Nice to see him finally getting some fair even balance level of praise here.

I don't blame y'all though. Just CNN

I will never question his work ethic. His motives are a different story.
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11/9/2016  12:29 AM
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.
Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.


That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?

Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
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11/9/2016  12:30 AM
nixluva wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
nixluva wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I am not sure Florida is over yet, there's something going on there. But it shows how much everybody underestimated the blue collar vote switch and overestimated the women vote.

I'm down in Georgia and I knew how these rural people think. It's something I've seen them do before.
These people are heavy into the culture wars. They constantly vote against their own best interests. This year is about the angry White vote. Welcome back to 1960 America.

I have lived in NC and I know what you are talking about. My question though is how bad is our polling data? The rural votes are carrying the day, the African American vote is lethargic at best, the Latino vote effect was overstated.

These people finally found their champion. They rose up for xenophobia.

lol

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11/9/2016  12:31 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
nixluva wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
nixluva wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:I am not sure Florida is over yet, there's something going on there. But it shows how much everybody underestimated the blue collar vote switch and overestimated the women vote.

I'm down in Georgia and I knew how these rural people think. It's something I've seen them do before.
These people are heavy into the culture wars. They constantly vote against their own best interests. This year is about the angry White vote. Welcome back to 1960 America.

I have lived in NC and I know what you are talking about. My question though is how bad is our polling data? The rural votes are carrying the day, the African American vote is lethargic at best, the Latino vote effect was overstated.

These people finally found their champion. They rose up for xenophobia.

lol

reading nixluva's posts on politics and the knicks is like following the pre-election polls. just never right.

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11/9/2016  12:32 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Welpee wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:As easy as it is to blame the white hate, I really think it has more to do with how disenfranchised us liberals feel. Most progressives think the centrist democrats have killed the party and the values we stood for. So it's a referendum on the right wing slanted perversion of the Democratic party.
I don't know about that. Dems certainly had a viable non-centrist option they could've chosen in Bernie Sanders. Why we didn't go that direction? Your guess is as good as mine.

Because the democratic party leadership strongly backed Clinton and the left doesn't have the hardcore extreme vote to turn the tide on their own party, like the Republicans just did.

But they did it in 2008 when Obama came out of nowhere.
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11/9/2016  12:33 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.
Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.


That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?

Clinton is also against their self interest, this is the message people need to hear

More than Trump?
nixluva
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11/9/2016  12:33 AM
Welpee wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I was saying that since day one. These people are Fools! They clearly didn't learn from Nader! It's not a joke. If Trump wins this country just repeated the George Bush mistake ONLY WORSE!

The saving grace is this country is strong enough to survive. Look through history and you'll see some truly awful presidents and we somehow made it to where we are today.

Yeah but I really don't want to have to go thru another rough period. This is unreal. Financially things were starting to stabilize. Social progress was being made. It would be a shame to go backwards.

The KKK are out partying right now. This is their guy. They will come out of the shadows now.

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11/9/2016  12:33 AM
holfresh wrote:All these states that people thought it was safe to cast the protest votes..It actually showing up as the difference..People outsmarting themselves..

I doubt people are smart enough to conjure up such a ridiculous idea. Certainly not the leftist liberal leaning ones

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11/9/2016  12:35 AM
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
Welpee wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:If Trump wins at least this will put a big dent in the Clinton wing of the Democratic party. Cant think of any family who has moved the party further away from its traditional platform. I hope those who were strong supporters of Hillary understand how tired people are of the Clintons and their triangulation. All it has done is move this country and the democratic party further and further to the right. Hopefully this emboldens the progressive wing of the party.
Trust me, I'm tired of the Clintons too. I didn't vote for her in the primaries, didn't vote for her in 2008. I only supported her because of the opponent she ran against and the prospects of what a Trump presidency is going to look like. I would've considered voting for a sane, moderate republican if they offered one.

But also understand, there were a lot of unethical forces to contributed to this too. Why people seem to be OK with foreign entities hacking emails to influence the election, the FBI injecting themselves into this election, and efforts to suppress voting is beyond me. The ends do not justify the means.


That wasnt directed at reluctant voters like yourself, more for the enthusiastic supporters of Clinton. It bears repeating that historians have to go back several thousand years to find a more unequal society. The Clintons played a big part in making that happen. Many voters who might have voted for a democrat were willing to do whatever it took to keep the Clintons from doing it again.

But to do this against their own self interests? Enduring four years of Trump just to rid themselves of Clinton?

They've seen what has happened to their self interest with the Clintons over the years, now they want to see what its like without them. There is a level of corruption at the highest levels of govt and finance that the Clintons happily swam in. People are beyond angry, to the point we are at now.

A wealthy business owner penned an op ed in a paper a couple of years ago where he suggested that there has never been this level of inequality that wasnt followed by a revolution. Looks like we're seeing it. Unfortunately revolutions are rarely tidy, and the outcome isnt always best for all involved. People are willing to take that chance, for better or worse.

Where the heck is Hillary Clinton?

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