Knixkik wrote:

DLeethal wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

DLeethal wrote:So with no draft picks what does our path to resigning our guys and staying under the apron look like?

Assuming Alvarado opts in and Diawara signs at 2.6mm or so per, you have 13.4m for 4 more required slots (14 total).

Brunson / Alvarado / Kolek
Bridges / Deuce /
Hart / Diawara / Dadiet
OG /
KAT /

Each of the 4 slots you can fill with a 2nd rd pick at 1.36mmm (2026 2nd min). Or you can divide the 13.4mm differently.

With the 3 seconds now currently held, they could sign Robinson for roughly 9.32. Or they could divide the 13.4mm differently among 4 slots.

Last year they left just under 1mm for a prorated salary later in the season for the 15th slot. That remainder balance are the nickels they are fighting for if they really won’t exceed the apron.

I expect to see Dadiet and/or Deuce and/or Kolek traded and we resign Jose, Landry, Mitch. Leon is operating as if he has a path to bringing the key guys back.

Just to note, kolek will make less money than the vet minimum, so trading him doesn’t help since you have to replace his salary slot (unless you’re replacing him with a second round rookie.) Also trading Deuce makes little sense since he’s such good value at about 4M, unless they are trading him to get ahead of not giving him his next contract, which is entirely possible. But this stuff doesn’t really help create space to bring back the other guys.

It seems like they are trying to extend Jose while also trading Deuce. They pushed back the date Jose has to make the decision on his player option which indicates contract talks are on going.

Deuce likely requires more money to extend after next year so might as well get a future pick for him. Rumor is Knicks are interested in Tim Hardaway Jr which I hope is not true.

DLeethal wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

DLeethal wrote:So with no draft picks what does our path to resigning our guys and staying under the apron look like?

Assuming Alvarado opts in and Diawara signs at 2.6mm or so per, you have 13.4m for 4 more required slots (14 total).

Brunson / Alvarado / Kolek
Bridges / Deuce /
Hart / Diawara / Dadiet
OG /
KAT /

Each of the 4 slots you can fill with a 2nd rd pick at 1.36mmm (2026 2nd min). Or you can divide the 13.4mm differently.

With the 3 seconds now currently held, they could sign Robinson for roughly 9.32. Or they could divide the 13.4mm differently among 4 slots.

Last year they left just under 1mm for a prorated salary later in the season for the 15th slot. That remainder balance are the nickels they are fighting for if they really won’t exceed the apron.

I expect to see Dadiet and/or Deuce and/or Kolek traded and we resign Jose, Landry, Mitch. Leon is operating as if he has a path to bringing the key guys back.

I agree with you. Here’s a roster that works. At this point, I think this is the best possible outcome for us. It requires Mitch, Shamet and Alvarado to agree to sweetheart deals. I have to assume Rose has already negotiated it with them and knows how to make it work.

I’m trading Kolek, Dadiet and Deuce and replacing them with 3 2nd rounders who will all make the min salary of $1.3M. I’m keeping Huk since he played a lot of mins last year and our 3rd string center has to play a lot. I’m keeping McCullar bc he’s only $800K more than a min player and think he’s ready to contribute

I got greedy with the 2nd rounders bc we don’t save any money by paying the 60th pick vs the 31st pick. I confirmed that multiple times with Gemini. To draft the guys on this list we need to keep 31 and either trade up from 47 and 55 or use Deuce, Kolek and Dadiet to acquire picks in the range of 36-42.

PLAYER | 2026-27 SALARY
Karl-Anthony Towns | $57,078,728
OG Anunoby | $42,500,000
Jalen Brunson | $37,739,521
Mikal Bridges | $33,482,145
Josh Hart | $20,923,760
Mitchell Robinson | $7,700,000
Landry Shamet | $6,000,000
Jose Alvarado | $5,000,000
Ariel Hukporti | $2,650,000
Mohamed Diawara | $2,600,000
Kevin McCullar Jr. | $2,185,633
Maleek Thomas | $1,358,084
Braden Smith | $1,358,084
Trevon Brazile | $1,358,084
TOTAL PAYROLL | $221,933,944
2ND APRON THRESHOLD | $222,000,000
BUFFER REMAINING | $66,056

Braden Smith could stick as our permanent backup PG. He’s a pesky POA defender, passes well and can shoot. Maybe our version of McConnell? The Knicks like both Thomas and Evans. I choose Thomas and go with Brazile to add a modern big

Blade37db wrote:Not sure how accurate this writer is (it made my head spin) but he goes into more detail on how 2nd round picks (vs a 1st round pick) help our situation:

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/knicks-draft-day-dealing-means-062832141.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

Drafts are no longer extremely top heavy like they were in the 90’s and 2000’s. Players are developing physically and mentally at an older age so it’s harder to see which 19 year olds is a future star vs who is the next Kwame Brown

pretty good assessment. I might quibble about Shamet. I think it would be an evolvement for Shamet to continue the way he finished (much like KAT)

it is kind of nuts to look at our whole roster and see essentially players having (extreme) success and still ascending and that seeming reasonable. We used to get guys on the downside of their careers or locker room headaches or pin our hopes on turnaround projects. (you weren't on board then but we had like 30 pages of discussion about some Sixers castaway guard who I forgot the name of; we were thinking we'd catch lightning in a bottle on that one [but he didn't cooperate with our vision])

That said, we will need to continue to focus on a pipeline and improvement and that will yield some difficult decisions. Fortunately, we're dealing from a position of strength and can be picky

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pretty good assessment. I might quibble about Shamet. I think it would be an evolvement for Shamet to continue the way he finished (much like KAT)

it is kind of nuts to look at our whole roster and see essentially players having (extreme) success and still ascending and that seeming reasonable. We used to get guys on the downside of their careers or locker room headaches or pin our hopes on turnaround projects. (you weren't on board then but we had like 30 pages of discussion about some Sixers castaway guard who I forgot the name of; we were thinking we'd catch lightning in a bottle on that one [but he didn't cooperate with our vision])

That said, we will need to continue to focus on a pipeline and improvement and that will yield some difficult decisions. Fortunately, we're dealing from a position of strength and can be picky

Tony Fuckin Wroten
nixluva went on and on about this signing.

https://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=53888&page=35

wikipedia wrote:On November 7, 2014, Wroten scored a career-high 31 points in a loss to the Chicago Bulls.[11] On January 23, 2015, he was ruled out for the rest of the 2014–15 season after undergoing surgery on a partially torn ACL in his right knee.[12] He was averaging career highs in points (16.9), assists (5.2) and steals (1.6) prior to the injury.

On November 11, 2015, Wroten was assigned to the Delaware 87ers of the NBA Development League, sent there to practice as part of his return to play protocol.[13] He was recalled by the 76ers on December 4, using the month-long stint to rehabilitate his ACL tear. He did not appear in a game for Delaware.[14] The following day, he returned to action for the 76ers, playing in his first game for the team since injuring his right knee on January 13. He had four points in 13 minutes against the Denver Nuggets.[15] On December 24, 2015, Wroten was waived by the 76ers.[16]

Texas Legends (2016–2017)
On March 16, 2016, Wroten signed with the New York Knicks.[17] On June 22, 2016, he was waived by the Knicks; he did not play a single game for the team during his tenure.[18]

On June 27, 2016, Wroten was claimed off waivers by the Memphis Grizzlies.[19] He was later waived by the Grizzlies on July 12,[20] re-signed on August 8,[21] and waived again on October 7.

he didn't even ever play in the league again after that.