Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

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Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

martin wrote:NICE

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Can guys who watched him in college tell us if what we saw yesterday was how he played in college?

His ability to finish his drives was spectacular...Can he play like this all the time?

CleaverGreene wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:

MS wrote:Loss squarely on RJ.

Positives are Cam & Randle.

Impressive to get back in it, but they were missing JJ. Should have won this won.

The officiating was a disgrace and the reason we didn’t take this one

Not fair to put a whole loss on one player. We got outrebounded by 10 and gave up 20 offensive rebounds and 17 threes. The poor close out defense on Aldama, Konchar and Jones was the biggest reason we lose imo.

Huh? Uh yes you can. 3-18 from your so called young franchise players is absolutely the reason we lost. Not to mention you his defensive breakdowns on the PnR. Most caused by his disappointment on the offensive side. And his inability to help in other aspects. Ie. Rebounding, assists??
His shot will come around but if he continues to ignore his teammates on offense and is one dimensional, we will not be good.

RJ wasn’t the only bricklayer last night. IQ and Obi did their part. RJ actually played semi-capable D on Ja that’s part of why the swing from down 15 at half to tie at end of regulation

Brunson missed some easy 3s, too.

If we had shot 33% from 3 we win rather easily...No?

Brunson had a rough first half and much better second half. He looked tight first quarter than got going. I liked what I saw

Yeah it’s all about the 3. If RJ can’t hit at least 37% we gotta start considering using him as trade bait

Clean wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

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https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1583110076700983302

Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

One of the biggest plays for Memphis last night was Tyus Jones being left wide open by Evan Fournier, I think, at the end of the game (was it the regular session), for a wide open 3. He dropped inside, didn't have a good angle on the passing lane, and the ball was kicked out to Jones for a 3 with nobody even near him.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

This is not an EF thing this is a Thibs thing. I been talking about this for 3 seasons now. Weakside defenders ALWAYS sink in the paint for no reason. It is why people like that ALdama guy keep going crazy on us. He got open shot after open shot. Why is the weakside defender sinking into the paint when they have no way to make a play on the ball? Every weakside defender does it so its not an EF thing but a defensive scheme. They also double off players who are one pass away. The dumbest thing in my opinion.

EF and RJ are slow. Slow footed, slow recognition. RJ is a poor off-ball defender, constantly losses his guy. Prob same with EF.

A guy like Grimes is much better than both at both those things. Same with Deuce.

The Knicks do prioritize inside-out on D, so the last, best pass is on the perimeter. It’s just the nature of things.

Right now the Knicks don’t have a POA defender starting. Grimes will get there and then they will have 1.

nyvector16 wrote:This was a great game and terrific way to start the season by locking horns with one of the top teams and going OT.

If I had to complain about one thing..
I would have LOVED to see Deuce play defense on Ja.

We probably win if he did. But to RJs credit, majority of the time, he was involved in a pick play. The Ja most of the time, was going against Hart or whoever was involved in the pick play. Deuce would've did better but those pick and roll plays are tough to guard. I think Sims is a better center for those switching defensive plays on pick and roll with Ja. He's more agile with better lateral movements than either Mitch or Hart.

Clean wrote:

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Key was Adams left Hart to cover double if Randle drove. THat Randle was decisive was also key. If not Adams goes to Hart.

Clean wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

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https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1583110076700983302

Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

One of the biggest plays for Memphis last night was Tyus Jones being left wide open by Evan Fournier, I think, at the end of the game (was it the regular session), for a wide open 3. He dropped inside, didn't have a good angle on the passing lane, and the ball was kicked out to Jones for a 3 with nobody even near him.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

This is not an EF thing this is a Thibs thing. I been talking about this for 3 seasons now. Weakside defenders ALWAYS sink in the paint for no reason. It is why people like that ALdama guy keep going crazy on us. He got open shot after open shot. Why is the weakside defender sinking into the paint when they have no way to make a play on the ball? Every weakside defender does it so its not an EF thing but a defensive scheme. They also double off players who are one pass away. The dumbest thing in my opinion.

I’m interested in this point of you because it seems like an EF thing to me and it seems like EF has a slow first step ONLY when he doesn’t have the ball. I often feel like he is a step or two out of position (this may be the “sink in” you are talking about, but a guy like Derrick Rose seems to rotate through that and run “through” the defender, where EF tends to be lagging and not closing out. He seems to be a step behind on the the break also. Desmond Bane beat him down the court on several occasions.

His offensive awareness is pretty high. His defensive awareness seems to lag.

That said, open to a deeper explanation of Thibs weak side defense to explain some of this.

EF has a better handle IMO, which sometimes helps compensate for his lack of speed.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1583110076700983302

Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

One of the biggest plays for Memphis last night was Tyus Jones being left wide open by Evan Fournier, I think, at the end of the game (was it the regular session), for a wide open 3. He dropped inside, didn't have a good angle on the passing lane, and the ball was kicked out to Jones for a 3 with nobody even near him.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

This is not an EF thing this is a Thibs thing. I been talking about this for 3 seasons now. Weakside defenders ALWAYS sink in the paint for no reason. It is why people like that ALdama guy keep going crazy on us. He got open shot after open shot. Why is the weakside defender sinking into the paint when they have no way to make a play on the ball? Every weakside defender does it so its not an EF thing but a defensive scheme. They also double off players who are one pass away. The dumbest thing in my opinion.

EF and RJ are slow. Slow footed, slow recognition. RJ is a poor off-ball defender, constantly losses his guy. Prob same with EF.

A guy like Grimes is much better than both at both those things. Same with Deuce.

The Knicks do prioritize inside-out on D, so the last, best pass is on the perimeter. It’s just the nature of things.

Right now the Knicks don’t have a POA defender starting. Grimes will get there and then they will have 1.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:RJ is no speedster, but he did a better job of catching his defender flat footed last season. Last season, RJ often drove to the rim, the moment he got the ball. This season, he's taking longer to make his move. That extra time makes it harder for a player who was never known as fast to begin with.

EF has a better handle IMO, which sometimes helps compensate for his lack of speed.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1583110076700983302

Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

One of the biggest plays for Memphis last night was Tyus Jones being left wide open by Evan Fournier, I think, at the end of the game (was it the regular session), for a wide open 3. He dropped inside, didn't have a good angle on the passing lane, and the ball was kicked out to Jones for a 3 with nobody even near him.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

This is not an EF thing this is a Thibs thing. I been talking about this for 3 seasons now. Weakside defenders ALWAYS sink in the paint for no reason. It is why people like that ALdama guy keep going crazy on us. He got open shot after open shot. Why is the weakside defender sinking into the paint when they have no way to make a play on the ball? Every weakside defender does it so its not an EF thing but a defensive scheme. They also double off players who are one pass away. The dumbest thing in my opinion.

EF and RJ are slow. Slow footed, slow recognition. RJ is a poor off-ball defender, constantly losses his guy. Prob same with EF.

A guy like Grimes is much better than both at both those things. Same with Deuce.

The Knicks do prioritize inside-out on D, so the last, best pass is on the perimeter. It’s just the nature of things.

Right now the Knicks don’t have a POA defender starting. Grimes will get there and then they will have 1.

I was just talking about defense and the slow feet of both on that end.

On offense, RJ can get downhill and past his opponent, his problem on that end of court is making a bucket.

martin wrote:It may sound strange, but guys who are super strong like RJ need to exaggerate or flop some when fouled on forays to the rim, he has got to show the refs he is fouled if that's the case.

RJ doesn't know how to draw contact and then adjust for his shot. And IMO he decision-making while going to basket is not that good.

GustavBahler wrote:Yup, not the best segue lol. RJ isnt getting the needed separation on his drives. Maybe Adams in the paint had something to do with the hesitation. He did pick up the pace a little in the second half. The offense as a whole has to speed things up like they did in preseason. Leads to more open looks.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:RJ is no speedster, but he did a better job of catching his defender flat footed last season. Last season, RJ often drove to the rim, the moment he got the ball. This season, he's taking longer to make his move. That extra time makes it harder for a player who was never known as fast to begin with.

EF has a better handle IMO, which sometimes helps compensate for his lack of speed.

martin wrote:

Clean wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Ugh

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Tom_Piccolo/status/1583110076700983302

Look how Evan's man moved im out of the paint where it clogged Mitch making it wide open.
While it looks bad, was RJ thinking he had back up? Watch Even, then Mitch.

It will help to have Cam or Grimes starting to add more defense on the perimeter especially Cam then Fournier can be the bench sniper. If Cam gets it all going MIP and a steal. We are due in winning a trade and getting a big reward for a low risk. If Cam is the man we hope he is and Grimes is as well we are not far away from being very dangerous.

One of the biggest plays for Memphis last night was Tyus Jones being left wide open by Evan Fournier, I think, at the end of the game (was it the regular session), for a wide open 3. He dropped inside, didn't have a good angle on the passing lane, and the ball was kicked out to Jones for a 3 with nobody even near him.

I thought our rotations on D were spotty during the game. Perhaps Cam or Grimes can solve the issue, but Memphis had too many open 3s yesterday.

This is not an EF thing this is a Thibs thing. I been talking about this for 3 seasons now. Weakside defenders ALWAYS sink in the paint for no reason. It is why people like that ALdama guy keep going crazy on us. He got open shot after open shot. Why is the weakside defender sinking into the paint when they have no way to make a play on the ball? Every weakside defender does it so its not an EF thing but a defensive scheme. They also double off players who are one pass away. The dumbest thing in my opinion.

EF and RJ are slow. Slow footed, slow recognition. RJ is a poor off-ball defender, constantly losses his guy. Prob same with EF.

A guy like Grimes is much better than both at both those things. Same with Deuce.

The Knicks do prioritize inside-out on D, so the last, best pass is on the perimeter. It’s just the nature of things.

Right now the Knicks don’t have a POA defender starting. Grimes will get there and then they will have 1.

I was just talking about defense and the slow feet of both on that end.

On offense, RJ can get downhill and past his opponent, his problem on that end of court is making a bucket.