shinmen wrote:If this continues, I don t see Fiz finishing the season as our coach. Maybe the promotion of Miller as assistant coach is plan B if Fiz does not show something better fast. Last year he had an excuse, this year we have to improve on offense and defense.

That Miller promotion indeed could turn out to be a “break in case of emergency” plan for if the team feels it has to part ways with Fiz.

And if this continues, they will have to.

Removing Fiz out of anger the morning after does not solve a thing. Its not llke Miller has the answers. I see a lack of executions.

Knicks problems individual issues that can be fixed over night. what went right last night and how do you do more of it! BTW, few if anyone in the nba can guard kyrie. Clyde gave the narrative but he is annoucing it. "why can't clyde work with these guys?" Cuz they are not clyde. its why jordans team is not jordan, magic was awful as coach, why Phil could not be gm/president.........some things you just can't transpose.

Nalod wrote:What will miller actually do that Fiz can't/Won't? Im not defending Fiz but c'mon its not like a video game were we plug in and out things.
What is knox doing well? Moving without the ball at times. Shooting. Going to the rim. These are noticable from last year. His lateral defense is not good. So put the beer down and rant "He needs this, he needs thatm and do a few thousand bench presses and be a PF! FIXED! DAMN THIS IS EASY!
Put Miller in to coach! BOOM < DAMN IM GOOD!!!!
WHILE IM GOD LIKE, CLONE POP AND BRING HIM TO NY!!!! HA HA, I GOT THIS!
WE NEED A CLOSER! TRADE FRANK AND COUCH CHANGE FOR ONE. GIMME GORDAN HAYWOOD FOR FRANK AND MORRIS! THIS IS SO EASY!!!

Removing Fiz out of anger the morning after does not solve a thing. Its not llke Miller has the answers. I see a lack of executions.

Knicks problems individual issues that can be fixed over night. what went right last night and how do you do more of it! BTW, few if anyone in the nba can guard kyrie. Clyde gave the narrative but he is annoucing it. "why can't clyde work with these guys?" Cuz they are not clyde. its why jordans team is not jordan, magic was awful as coach, why Phil could not be gm/president.........some things you just can't transpose.

I think the issue with Fizdale is that he's a smooth talker who isn't winning games and who seems not to be as savvy as, say, Budenholzer who we should have hired.

The impression I'm getting is that Fiz and maybe the FO are creating a monotype player archetype who will play and everyone else sits. That archetype is bruiser basketball. And, I think that's why more thoughtful players like Frankie are having a harder time fitting in. Hahn sells this stuff too. No exceptions. So, no, we're not switching coaches because we're not developing a team to "play right" or anything high-minded like "defense". Defense and artful basketball will be coincidental by-products of grinding it all out on the floor.

This is going to be a season of smash mouth BB, like it or not.

GustavBahler wrote:Nice to see the late comeback. Surprised at all the panic button hitting so soon. We had half the available preseason games to figure out a rotation. If it was the team's call, with such a deep roster, then thats on them. Otherwise Im surprised so many posters are freaking out.

Not concerned about the poor performance of any player at this point. These guys need at least a month to get used to playing together. Time as well for Fizdale to figure out who gets the most minutes. Will be concerned if we are getting near January, and we're still seeing regular changes to the lineup. Not there yet, few months away. If Fizdale loses his job at the end of the season, whenever, believe the lack of structure, a somewhat consistent rotation, will be his undoing. Hoping Fizdale will sort that out by the end of this year. Believe a rotation where players have an idea, where they stand, is important in building an identity for this squad.

In the meantime, my advice would be to chill, and give this new team time to get to know each other.

Please stop making sense.

fwk00 wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Knox looks like he is playing in slow motion.If he wants to survive in this league he better put more energy in his game. I saw him eat the ball a couple of times tonight. As big as he is he better learn to rebound the ball at the rim.

He's becoming a great spot-up shooter but he and Trier are very one-dimensional players to my eye.

Knox is shooting lights out right now. He cant guard the perimeter though. But he holds a .811 TS%. Gotta mold himself more as a pf. Get his weight up, develop some face up moves out the high pos, become a pnr option.

Yeah

I don’t mind giving him a chance as a SF to see what he has, but he might have a better chance defensively and a higher impact as a PF.

My larger point with Knox and even Morris is that in a positionless league either can play as a second SF going small at the PF position.

Fiz has so many options. Why he's obsessing with the PG spot is just a fixation with MSM hysteria. If he spent more time getting the other four position rotations right the entire team would be better off.

I agree

GustavBahler wrote:Nice to see the late comeback. Surprised at all the panic button hitting so soon. We had half the available preseason games to figure out a rotation. If it was the team's call, with such a deep roster, then thats on them. Otherwise Im surprised so many posters are freaking out.

Not concerned about the poor performance of any player at this point. These guys need at least a month to get used to playing together. Time as well for Fizdale to figure out who gets the most minutes. Will be concerned if we are getting near January, and we're still seeing regular changes to the lineup. Not there yet, few months away. If Fizdale loses his job at the end of the season, whenever, believe the lack of structure, a somewhat consistent rotation, will be his undoing. Hoping Fizdale will sort that out by the end of this year. Believe a rotation where players have an idea, where they stand, is important in building an identity for this squad.

In the meantime, my advice would be to chill, and give this new team time to get to know each other.

I like the platitude. But Fizdale can't [but he does] talk out both sides of his mouth. We lost two winnable games and EVERY game counts.

The team I think knows each other and roots for each other.

The players who are told there will be competition for a position and accountability should have the expectation that starting with game #1, what's earned is earned and that there will be some consistency to the happy talk. THAT is all on Fizdale.

To be specific, what could the competitive criteria have been during preseason in which Trier, DSJ, and RJ are eating PG minutes? What??? The answer is obvious. Fizsdale was wholly disingenuous start to finish.

What was obvious at the end of preseason was this. RJ is the starting two guard and will get a lion's share of minutes. Which means Trier, Dotson, Ellington, DSJ - all effective offensive weapons and all except for Dotson defensive liabilites - are looking at second unit, 6th man minutes, and third unit PG minutes.

Instead of leaving it settle out at that. Fizdale at the urging of the MSM has created a manufactured crisis at the PG position essentially a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Payton or Frankie. And at the end of the preseason, Payton and Frankie had earned their chance.

This isn't my idea of team building. Its a disgraceful coaching betrayal. Payton/Frankie in some combination deserved to get extended time through some set of games to establish themselves. The upside to both is that they set up a non-ISO offensive framework and take care of the ball and so on.

IMO, its *hard* for a head coach who proselytizes "defense" and "competition" to F' that up. Yet here we are.

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nice to see the late comeback. Surprised at all the panic button hitting so soon. We had half the available preseason games to figure out a rotation. If it was the team's call, with such a deep roster, then thats on them. Otherwise Im surprised so many posters are freaking out.

Not concerned about the poor performance of any player at this point. These guys need at least a month to get used to playing together. Time as well for Fizdale to figure out who gets the most minutes. Will be concerned if we are getting near January, and we're still seeing regular changes to the lineup. Not there yet, few months away. If Fizdale loses his job at the end of the season, whenever, believe the lack of structure, a somewhat consistent rotation, will be his undoing. Hoping Fizdale will sort that out by the end of this year. Believe a rotation where players have an idea, where they stand, is important in building an identity for this squad.

In the meantime, my advice would be to chill, and give this new team time to get to know each other.

I like the platitude. But Fizdale can't [but he does] talk out both sides of his mouth. We lost two winnable games and EVERY game counts.

The team I think knows each other and roots for each other.

The players who are told there will be competition for a position and accountability should have the expectation that starting with game #1, what's earned is earned and that there will be some consistency to the happy talk. THAT is all on Fizdale.

To be specific, what could the competitive criteria have been during preseason in which Trier, DSJ, and RJ are eating PG minutes? What??? The answer is obvious. Fizsdale was wholly disingenuous start to finish.

What was obvious at the end of preseason was this. RJ is the starting two guard and will get a lion's share of minutes. Which means Trier, Dotson, Ellington, DSJ - all effective offensive weapons and all except for Dotson defensive liabilites - are looking at second unit, 6th man minutes, and third unit PG minutes.

Instead of leaving it settle out at that. Fizdale at the urging of the MSM has created a manufactured crisis at the PG position essentially a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Payton or Frankie. And at the end of the preseason, Payton and Frankie had earned their chance.

This isn't my idea of team building. Its a disgraceful coaching betrayal. Payton/Frankie in some combination deserved to get extended time through some set of games to establish themselves. The upside to both is that they set up a non-ISO offensive framework and take care of the ball and so on.

IMO, its *hard* for a head coach who proselytizes "defense" and "competition" to F' that up. Yet here we are.

No "platitudes" just common sense. Drawing conclusions after 2 games doesnt make much sense. That goes for Frank as well. Its a long season, he will get enough PT to make a case for himself, just has to stay ready. He wasnt ready in game one, confident he wont look so green the next time. Surprised anyone has their undergarments in a bunch about PT in the first week of the season.

Dont want to see Barrett get too much time at PG either, although he is doing a better job of running the offense than I thought he would at this point. Guessing a big part of it is to light a fire under the PGs, remains to be seen if that works. Believe that can backfire, if Fizdale.goes to that well too often. The PGs we have clearly need the minutes to establish themselves, which includes Frank.

Not enough games in preseason to establish anyone, pointless to argue about who really deserved the most minutes. The answer was no one. Its about who makes the best case in the next month or so, time for the cream to hopefully rise to the top. Dont believe Fizdale is doing anything as far as the rotation at the direction of sportswriters. A bit too tin foil for me. Whatever bad ideas Fizdale might have, if they turn out to be bad ideas, I give him all the credit.

GustavBahler wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Nice to see the late comeback. Surprised at all the panic button hitting so soon. We had half the available preseason games to figure out a rotation. If it was the team's call, with such a deep roster, then thats on them. Otherwise Im surprised so many posters are freaking out.

Not concerned about the poor performance of any player at this point. These guys need at least a month to get used to playing together. Time as well for Fizdale to figure out who gets the most minutes. Will be concerned if we are getting near January, and we're still seeing regular changes to the lineup. Not there yet, few months away. If Fizdale loses his job at the end of the season, whenever, believe the lack of structure, a somewhat consistent rotation, will be his undoing. Hoping Fizdale will sort that out by the end of this year. Believe a rotation where players have an idea, where they stand, is important in building an identity for this squad.

In the meantime, my advice would be to chill, and give this new team time to get to know each other.

I like the platitude. But Fizdale can't [but he does] talk out both sides of his mouth. We lost two winnable games and EVERY game counts.

The team I think knows each other and roots for each other.

The players who are told there will be competition for a position and accountability should have the expectation that starting with game #1, what's earned is earned and that there will be some consistency to the happy talk. THAT is all on Fizdale.

To be specific, what could the competitive criteria have been during preseason in which Trier, DSJ, and RJ are eating PG minutes? What??? The answer is obvious. Fizsdale was wholly disingenuous start to finish.

What was obvious at the end of preseason was this. RJ is the starting two guard and will get a lion's share of minutes. Which means Trier, Dotson, Ellington, DSJ - all effective offensive weapons and all except for Dotson defensive liabilites - are looking at second unit, 6th man minutes, and third unit PG minutes.

Instead of leaving it settle out at that. Fizdale at the urging of the MSM has created a manufactured crisis at the PG position essentially a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Payton or Frankie. And at the end of the preseason, Payton and Frankie had earned their chance.

This isn't my idea of team building. Its a disgraceful coaching betrayal. Payton/Frankie in some combination deserved to get extended time through some set of games to establish themselves. The upside to both is that they set up a non-ISO offensive framework and take care of the ball and so on.

IMO, its *hard* for a head coach who proselytizes "defense" and "competition" to F' that up. Yet here we are.

No "platitudes" just common sense. Drawing conclusions after 2 games doesnt make much sense. That goes for Frank as well. Its a long season, he will get enough PT to make a case for himself, just has to stay ready. He wasnt ready in game one, confident he wont look so green the next time. Surprised anyone has their undergarments in a bunch about PT in the first week of the season.

Dont want to see Barrett get too much time at PG either, although he is doing a better job of running the offense than I thought he would at this point. Guessing a big part of it is to light a fire under the PGs, remains to be seen if that works. Believe that can backfire, if Fizdale.goes to that well too often. The PGs we have clearly need the minutes to establish themselves, which includes Frank.

Not enough games in preseason to establish anyone, pointless to argue about who really deserved the most minutes. The answer was no one. Its about who makes the best case in the next month or so, time for the cream to hopefully rise to the top. Dont believe Fizdale is doing anything as far as the rotation at the direction of sportswriters. A bit too tin foil for me. Whatever bad ideas Fizdale might have, if they turn out to be bad ideas, I give him all the credit.

Stop making sense!! Everything thats going wrong with the Knicks is Fiz's fault, deal with it