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NYKBocker
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7/8/2019  1:29 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
MS wrote:That’s what’s most alarming...

Everyone is saying it’s summer league. We have two starters and a guy in our rotation playing along with the #3 pick in the draft playing. If anything that should be taking pressure off of RJ because he’s not carrying the load and out there alone.

Dotson would run circles around him. I’m all for giving guys time, shots come so not alarming that he can’t make open jump shots. Did you see him shoot free throws? The athleticism on the drives isn’t there, his feet look slow defensively and his handle is a nightmare right now. Again, you’re playing against a team that likely won’t have more than 3 guys in the league next season.

We were picked to win summer league. Knox looks like. Space cadet with a pure jumper that just floats around and hits threes and does nothing else.

Need more effort and intensity out there.


Some envisioned a possible lineup of Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle, and Mitch...That will be the worst defensive lineup in the league by far.

I think our best starting 5 right now is Frank, RJ, Knox, Randle and Mitch. You need Frank and Mitch defense to help the other 3.
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7/8/2019  1:41 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
MS wrote:That’s what’s most alarming...

Everyone is saying it’s summer league. We have two starters and a guy in our rotation playing along with the #3 pick in the draft playing. If anything that should be taking pressure off of RJ because he’s not carrying the load and out there alone.

Dotson would run circles around him. I’m all for giving guys time, shots come so not alarming that he can’t make open jump shots. Did you see him shoot free throws? The athleticism on the drives isn’t there, his feet look slow defensively and his handle is a nightmare right now. Again, you’re playing against a team that likely won’t have more than 3 guys in the league next season.

We were picked to win summer league. Knox looks like. Space cadet with a pure jumper that just floats around and hits threes and does nothing else.

Need more effort and intensity out there.


Some envisioned a possible lineup of Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle, and Mitch...That will be the worst defensive lineup in the league by far.

I think our best starting 5 right now is Frank, RJ, Knox, Randle and Mitch. You need Frank and Mitch defense to help the other 3.


Unless Barrett finds his mojo, I think he comes off the bench.

Frank desperately needs to show confidence in his own ability. He has to think like an American ballplayer and play for himself.

I might play Smith, Frank, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, and let Smith be a combo guard, while Frank defends the better of the 2 guards we're facing.

I think Fizdale will end up starting Payton, Bullock, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, though.

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7/8/2019  1:46 PM
Jmpasq wrote:30 wins looks like a dream. We have rotation players out there and we are losing games to scrubs. Perry should be fired if we don't see some improvement this year. Barrett was the worst player on the court again last night. The guy is slow, unathletic, and can't shoot at all. This franchise is in serious trouble. Building through the draft is great if you hit on the picks but if you keep missing you might as well trade the picks for players.

Let's just keep firing and trading everyone every year. Who says you can't do a slow rebuild with the Knicks fan base?
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7/8/2019  2:04 PM
The rookie has to earn his way to the starting line up.

IM thinking its:

Mitch
Randle
Knox
Smith/RJ
Payton/Framk

I got conditions. Mitch has to not foul out. If he can't control himself, Portis gets the start. Who ever finishes has to hit foul shots.
I might even go with Reggie Bullock to start at SF, but Knox finish.
Im not into this PG thing, both Smith and Payton can switch what ever you want to call them. Kadeem is there when someone gets hurt. IN fact he can go from riding the pine to start. I still bring Frank and RJ off the bench.

Im expecting lineups to change. This is a merit based team. We play to win. Do your job. Guy behind you outplays you go get bumped.
If selfish/me first/contract year happens, you sit. Team first. Wins first. Enes got waived like that.

As for Frank, I can't really put him anywhere until he plays. I don't care if he plays USA ball or Euro.....do the thing on Defense you do and hit the damn shots at an NBA clip.......New nickname for his defense "The French Resistance"! (awful!!!LOL)
Depth Chart??? I doubt its complete.
C
Rudy Gobert Vincent Poirier Mathias Lessort Fred Weis (Just kidding)

PF
Adrien Moerman Louis Labeyrie Amath M'Baye

SF
Nicolas Batum Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot Axel Toupane

SG
Evan Fournier Nando de Colo Paul Lacombe

PG
Thomas Heurtel Frank Ntilikina Andrew Albicy
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7/8/2019  2:12 PM
smackeddog wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:30 wins looks like a dream. We have rotation players out there and we are losing games to scrubs. Perry should be fired if we don't see some improvement this year. Barrett was the worst player on the court again last night. The guy is slow, unathletic, and can't shoot at all. This franchise is in serious trouble. Building through the draft is great if you hit on the picks but if you keep missing you might as well trade the picks for players.

Let's just keep firing and trading everyone every year. Who says you can't do a slow rebuild with the Knicks fan base?


Got to let Barrett build up his confidence, I think we all know this, but what is puzzling, and Martin hit on it in a few posts, is that nothing stands out out about Barrett so far, and this was a guy considered a potential #1 at some point.

Some of his fundamentals- his shooting form, his defensive quickness, and his inability to go right, have really been highlighted in these 2 games. Confidence can grow, but he was a poor 3pt shooter in college, where he was a very confident players, and his right hand was still weak, despite the confidence he played with in college, and the same is true of his defensive issues. He was a so so defender in college where you can play more zone D, no? How will that improve at the NBA level?

I just hope he shows us something to be hopeful about during the next few games.

There are three classes of men; lovers of wisdom, lovers of honor, and lovers of gain. (Plato)
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7/8/2019  2:17 PM
Nalod wrote:As for Frank, I can't really put him anywhere until he plays. I don't care if he plays USA ball or Euro.....do the thing on Defense you do and hit the damn shots at an NBA clip.......New nickname for his defense "The French Resistance"! (awful!!!LOL)

Martin, I'm putting in a formal request for a ban.
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7/8/2019  2:29 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:As for Frank, I can't really put him anywhere until he plays. I don't care if he plays USA ball or Euro.....do the thing on Defense you do and hit the damn shots at an NBA clip.......New nickname for his defense "The French Resistance"! (awful!!!LOL)

Martin, I'm putting in a formal request for a ban.

Please!!!
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7/8/2019  2:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2019  2:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Frank looks like he is 6’7 or 6’8.

With Frank's reach, and now that he's taller, thicker now. Hoping to see more dunks, better finishes at the rim. Yes, a dunk still counts a 2 points, believe Frank will gain confidence from spending more time playing above the rim. With his height and reach, its time for Frank to make better use of his skill set.
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7/8/2019  2:46 PM
He is standing forward of Dot, So he looks taller.
Dot had surgery, so he is not his usually buff self.
Frank Nicotine does look fuller, I'll give that.
I hope his reach is 8 feet, and he stands 6-9. He has to hit his shots!!!
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7/8/2019  3:08 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
MS wrote:That’s what’s most alarming...

Everyone is saying it’s summer league. We have two starters and a guy in our rotation playing along with the #3 pick in the draft playing. If anything that should be taking pressure off of RJ because he’s not carrying the load and out there alone.

Dotson would run circles around him. I’m all for giving guys time, shots come so not alarming that he can’t make open jump shots. Did you see him shoot free throws? The athleticism on the drives isn’t there, his feet look slow defensively and his handle is a nightmare right now. Again, you’re playing against a team that likely won’t have more than 3 guys in the league next season.

We were picked to win summer league. Knox looks like. Space cadet with a pure jumper that just floats around and hits threes and does nothing else.

Need more effort and intensity out there.


Some envisioned a possible lineup of Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle, and Mitch...That will be the worst defensive lineup in the league by far.

I think our best starting 5 right now is Frank, RJ, Knox, Randle and Mitch. You need Frank and Mitch defense to help the other 3.


Unless Barrett finds his mojo, I think he comes off the bench.

Frank desperately needs to show confidence in his own ability. He has to think like an American ballplayer and play for himself.

I might play Smith, Frank, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, and let Smith be a combo guard, while Frank defends the better of the 2 guards we're facing.

I think Fizdale will end up starting Payton, Bullock, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, though.

God, I hope not. That basically ruins the development of the youngins. Payton and Bullock should be viewed as bench/role players in this team. Sticking all of Frank, RJ, Trier, DSJr and Dotson in the bench is short sighted IMHO. He needs to start 2 out of these 5 for the long run.
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7/8/2019  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2019  11:50 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
MS wrote:That’s what’s most alarming...

Everyone is saying it’s summer league. We have two starters and a guy in our rotation playing along with the #3 pick in the draft playing. If anything that should be taking pressure off of RJ because he’s not carrying the load and out there alone.

Dotson would run circles around him. I’m all for giving guys time, shots come so not alarming that he can’t make open jump shots. Did you see him shoot free throws? The athleticism on the drives isn’t there, his feet look slow defensively and his handle is a nightmare right now. Again, you’re playing against a team that likely won’t have more than 3 guys in the league next season.

We were picked to win summer league. Knox looks like. Space cadet with a pure jumper that just floats around and hits threes and does nothing else.

Need more effort and intensity out there.


Some envisioned a possible lineup of Smith, Barrett, Knox, Randle, and Mitch...That will be the worst defensive lineup in the league by far.

I think our best starting 5 right now is Frank, RJ, Knox, Randle and Mitch. You need Frank and Mitch defense to help the other 3.


Unless Barrett finds his mojo, I think he comes off the bench.

Frank desperately needs to show confidence in his own ability. He has to think like an American ballplayer and play for himself.

I might play Smith, Frank, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, and let Smith be a combo guard, while Frank defends the better of the 2 guards we're facing.

I think Fizdale will end up starting Payton, Bullock, Knox, Randle, and Mitch, though.

God, I hope not. That basically ruins the development of the youngins. Payton and Bullock should be viewed as bench/role players in this team. Sticking all of Frank, RJ, Trier, DSJr and Dotson in the bench is short sighted IMHO. He needs to start 2 out of these 5 for the long run.


A gut feeling. Perry has a past with Payton, and Bullock might start until Barrett gains his confidence. Trier will be a gunner off the bench.

Payton is a better defender and more of a classic PG than Smith.

Bullock might be a serious trade chip at the trade deadline, I think they want him to get enough minutes to show his stuff, one way or another. He is also a better defender than Barrett. If Barrett starts showing something, in training camp and exhibition games, things might change, I guess.

I see Frank and Iggy as wildcards. If Frank shows any confidence on offense, and his 3 is solid, I think that changes a lot of things because of what he can already do on the defensive end.

Mitch's life will be a living hell if Smith, Barrett, Knox, and Randle are the starters.

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7/8/2019  5:16 PM
Summer league is going to become like the nba combine.
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7/8/2019  5:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2019  5:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Summer league is going to become like the nba combine.

What a ridiculous reason! This years summer league is such a disappointment. Many thanks to the rookies who actually bothered to show up and play.

Unless maybe they’re thinking of trading him?
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7/8/2019  7:49 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Frank looks like he is 6’7 or 6’8.

With Frank's reach, and now that he's taller, thicker now. Hoping to see more dunks, better finishes at the rim. Yes, a dunk still counts a 2 points, believe Frank will gain confidence from spending more time playing above the rim. With his height and reach, its time for Frank to make better use of his skill set.


Well .. Frank & Dotson may finally get the chance to tandem in the backcourt as starter/finisher ..
The summer league backcourt defense stinks .. I blame the coaching-staff !!!
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7/8/2019  9:35 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Summer league is going to become like the nba combine.

Exactly. You can go through a box score and be lucky if you recognize one legit nba candidate

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7/9/2019  8:45 AM
I agree with Nalod here. I don’t think RJ should be guaranteed a starting spot from the get-go. If he’s immediately inserted into the starting lineup, sucks and gets demoted, his confidence will get shattered. I think we all realize that his current less than stellar play is definitely partly because of a lack of confidence so we all know what it looks like when that happens.

Him earning the spot with improved defense and consistently hitting shots will do him wonders.

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7/9/2019  8:46 AM
With that said.... lets see him finish the Summer league for starters. Maybe he’ll light it up tonight.
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7/9/2019  9:10 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:I agree with Nalod here. I don’t think RJ should be guaranteed a starting spot from the get-go. If he’s immediately inserted into the starting lineup, sucks and gets demoted, his confidence will get shattered. I think we all realize that his current less than stellar play is definitely partly because of a lack of confidence so we all know what it looks like when that happens.

Him earning the spot with improved defense and consistently hitting shots will do him wonders.

I think this makes sense. For the record, at least last year, that was not our philosophy with KK; the year before it was with Frank

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7/9/2019  10:32 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:With that said.... lets see him finish the Summer league for starters. Maybe he’ll light it up tonight.
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if RJ has a big game. hen all of a sudden these two previous games will hardly be mentioned
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7/9/2019  11:27 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:With that said.... lets see him finish the Summer league for starters. Maybe he’ll light it up tonight.
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if RJ has a big game. hen all of a sudden these two previous games will hardly be mentioned

I’ll still feel the same way, even if he goes 20-20 from the field. He needs to work on his consistency on both ends and he needs to learn to be confident in his game with or without his shot.

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