StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear now that the real issue with the Knicks is the PG spot. They've got to figure out something to improve the PG position cuz it's killing us this year.

Not having tyson chandler is the biggest issue

At times but Shump and Felton D is hurting the knicks. Then Prigs was getting abused by Lin tonight. The knicks D also have problems with help D but the first uy is getting beat so quickly.

I agree our pg's get beat evvery possession but at least tyson helps out on defense. I know bargnani probably had the best defensive game of his career but i dont expect it to happen much.

Look Bargs is who he is. He's not the problem as i've been saying for a while now. It's the PG spot. No D and no one to run the team on O. It's a real problem. PG is supposed to make offense easy for the rest of the team but that's not what is happening.

It's time to FREE MURRY!!!

I never said the point guard spot wasnt the problem but the biggest issue is that tyson chandler is out

Tyson being out is only exposing the problems that were already there at PG. This isn't really new. We've been getting KILLED at PG for years. Felton has hit his wall career wise and Prigs should be a 3rd string guy at this point in his career. Love Prigs but these younger, bigger and stronger guards are killing him.

FREE MURRY!!!

Again like i said a few times the point guard position is a probelm. Toure murry isnt gonna fix it. The only way to get a good point guard is but spending money or drafting and we have neither. This is why i hate giving up 1st round picks unless its for a star player

Bargnani needs to be involved offensively more and that gets us to the PG. Felton has been bad so far and he was worse tonight. He is the worst defender. I agree that he needs to go but remember he was the choice over Lin. Lin is better, IMO and it's not really close.

Stupid plays giving up points. Felton foul on hardens 3 and Melo hack a Howard free point. Difference in the game.

pG needed. Same old story.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear now that the real issue with the Knicks is the PG spot. They've got to figure out something to improve the PG position cuz it's killing us this year.

Not having tyson chandler is the biggest issue

At times but Shump and Felton D is hurting the knicks. Then Prigs was getting abused by Lin tonight. The knicks D also have problems with help D but the first uy is getting beat so quickly.

I agree our pg's get beat evvery possession but at least tyson helps out on defense. I know bargnani probably had the best defensive game of his career but i dont expect it to happen much.

Look Bargs is who he is. He's not the problem as i've been saying for a while now. It's the PG spot. No D and no one to run the team on O. It's a real problem. PG is supposed to make offense easy for the rest of the team but that's not what is happening.

It's time to FREE MURRY!!!

I never said the point guard spot wasnt the problem but the biggest issue is that tyson chandler is out

Tyson being out is only exposing the problems that were already there at PG. This isn't really new. We've been getting KILLED at PG for years. Felton has hit his wall career wise and Prigs should be a 3rd string guy at this point in his career. Love Prigs but these younger, bigger and stronger guards are killing him.

FREE MURRY!!!

Again like i said a few times the point guard position is a probelm. Toure murry isnt gonna fix it. The only way to get a good point guard is but spending money or drafting and we have neither. This is why i hate giving up 1st round picks unless its for a star player

Just remember people said the same thing about Lin. Sometimes you have to give a talented kid a chance. Murry has more raw talent than any other PG we have. Sometimes that makes up for experience.

I like murry and woould like to see him play but not just the pg position. We are missing out C who is our best defender. Melo and Bargs can score but arent good defenders. So its more than just the pg position

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear now that the real issue with the Knicks is the PG spot. They've got to figure out something to improve the PG position cuz it's killing us this year.

Not having tyson chandler is the biggest issue

At times but Shump and Felton D is hurting the knicks. Then Prigs was getting abused by Lin tonight. The knicks D also have problems with help D but the first uy is getting beat so quickly.

I agree our pg's get beat evvery possession but at least tyson helps out on defense. I know bargnani probably had the best defensive game of his career but i dont expect it to happen much.

Look Bargs is who he is. He's not the problem as i've been saying for a while now. It's the PG spot. No D and no one to run the team on O. It's a real problem. PG is supposed to make offense easy for the rest of the team but that's not what is happening.

It's time to FREE MURRY!!!

I never said the point guard spot wasnt the problem but the biggest issue is that tyson chandler is out

Tyson being out is only exposing the problems that were already there at PG. This isn't really new. We've been getting KILLED at PG for years. Felton has hit his wall career wise and Prigs should be a 3rd string guy at this point in his career. Love Prigs but these younger, bigger and stronger guards are killing him.

FREE MURRY!!!

Again like i said a few times the point guard position is a probelm. Toure murry isnt gonna fix it. The only way to get a good point guard is but spending money or drafting and we have neither. This is why i hate giving up 1st round picks unless its for a star player

Just remember people said the same thing about Lin. Sometimes you have to give a talented kid a chance. Murry has more raw talent than any other PG we have. Sometimes that makes up for experience.

I like murry and woould like to see him play but not just the pg position. We are missing out C who is our best defender. Melo and Bargs can score but arent good defenders. So its more than just the pg position

It's obvious we need a C like Tyson, but Bargs hasn't really been the problem in our losses. In this game the issue was too many poor offensive possessions and matador D on the perimeter. Just remember that we've been allowing PG's to go NUTS on the Knicks even last year. We had to use Shump to try and shut down PG's. That's the source of our defensive weakness more often than not.

Murry may not be the answer but can he be worse on D than Felton? If they give the kid some PT he might just blossom with minutes. This is how we found out about Lin.

FREE MURRY!!!

nixluva wrote:Bargs actually came out and helped a lot but you can't expect him to cover for Felton ALL NIGHT!!! Even KMart was getting abused in there on D. It's crazy how people aren't recognizing how poor Felton's D is. That weakens the entire defense.

Murry may not be the answer but can he be worse on D than Felton? If they give the kid some PT he might just blossom with minutes. This is how we found out about Lin.

FREE MURRY!!!

Vmart wrote:This team needs a PG badly. If Shump is going to get moved they should look into Dragic. He is a good PG and knows how to run pick and roll/pop offense.

This team got nothing from the guard position even though Shump had a good + in the game. Severely out played. MWP happy birthday you are officially old.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear now that the real issue with the Knicks is the PG spot. They've got to figure out something to improve the PG position cuz it's killing us this year.

Not having tyson chandler is the biggest issue

At times but Shump and Felton D is hurting the knicks. Then Prigs was getting abused by Lin tonight. The knicks D also have problems with help D but the first uy is getting beat so quickly.

I agree our pg's get beat evvery possession but at least tyson helps out on defense. I know bargnani probably had the best defensive game of his career but i dont expect it to happen much.

Look Bargs is who he is. He's not the problem as i've been saying for a while now. It's the PG spot. No D and no one to run the team on O. It's a real problem. PG is supposed to make offense easy for the rest of the team but that's not what is happening.

It's time to FREE MURRY!!!

you keep defending bargnani. He is not the solution. Knicks needed defense, and rebounding as well as PG help.. but we were told that we needed a soft as wet tissue paper stretch four, and that beno, felton and prigs were more than enough to hold down the PG spot... we didn't address any of our needs from last year..

You're truly lost if you think Bargs is the problem. He's the last of our worries. He's not here to be the Center, he's here to do what he's been doing now that he's gotten going. He just needed time to get in shape and get his feel back. The real issue is at PG. I was hopeful that we'd run more PnP wth the guards we have since that's really what they do best, but that's not the offense we're running so we need different PG's.

no you are lost because I said he isn't part of the SOLUTION.. but he is part of our worries.. again, you get caught up with him hitting a couple of shots.. that makes you excited, which is why I guess you like carmelo... but the game is so much more than that.. bargs and his doorman defense.. and lack of rebounding is a problem.. he had 4 rebounds... 4!!! that sucks and he doesn't protect the paint.. to me, that for a center.. sucks.. sucks..

He's there to be doing what he's doing now? really? what is that? be the soft loser he has his whole career? if the knicks got him to do what he is doing now and not rebound or defend the paint, it goes to show that this organization is stupid and as I said never answered any of last years problems..

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yellowboy90 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nycisgreat wrote:

meloanyk wrote:Knicks need a larger pg who can defend

Felton is done! He is fat, out of shape and can't defend any pg in this league. The guy is a human turnstile! People drive by him at will.

Woodson sucks! This guy seems like he never do any game planning.

I think Felton is hurt.

He has hamstring issues but its his decision making. I remember one play when he attack the rim quickly against Howard, which he blk, but Bargs was wide open at the top like he had been earlier. He also needed to recognize that Houston adjusted their PnR defense and switched the play which left Lin on Bargs. Stop your drive and post Bargs up but instead he posted up Melo.

I agree about the decision making. I just don't think he is slow and fat. He came into camp in good shape and got hurt.

The guy is fat and quick. He has absolutely no stamina. One of the slowest pgs to get back on defend. He hasn't been able to contain anyone this season. Every pg that played against him this season looked like an also. He plays no defense, and complain a whole lot when he doesn't get calls or when he fouls people.