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INDIANA @ NY KNICKS - GAME 5 May 16th @ MSG 8:00 PM - Win at Home Like You've Been Doing All Season Knicks
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5/16/2013  10:59 PM
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nixluva wrote:Man all season i've been angry at Woody for not playing Copeland more. It just made no sense. He's shown since day one that he can help this team score off the bench. With Cope and JR going strong it makes the bench MUCH MUCH stronger than without Cope included.

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I agree and I say screw that so called defense we have if we are going to win the next game we need to put Novak in the game. Woody has a hard head. I bet the order came from upstairs to put Copeland in the game. Woody probably would not have used Copeland if he wasn't ordered to. He is still banking on JR Smith. I know management is not happy how Woody is coaching in the playoffs with the Pacers. Whats up with Camby?? We are paying him all this money and he is a no show.

Cope looked good in game 4 when no one else did. I think that had something to do with it. I also think Sheed may have talked to Woodson. They are close and Cope said Sheed has been working with him 1:1.
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5/16/2013  10:59 PM
Foul discrepency in this game was absurd. 30 fouls called on the Knicks.
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5/16/2013  11:01 PM
VDesai wrote:Foul discrepency in this game was absurd. 30 fouls called on the Knicks.
Anthony was mauled and I think went to the line for 4 free throws.
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5/16/2013  11:03 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Papabear wrote:
nixluva wrote:Man all season i've been angry at Woody for not playing Copeland more. It just made no sense. He's shown since day one that he can help this team score off the bench. With Cope and JR going strong it makes the bench MUCH MUCH stronger than without Cope included.

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I agree and I say screw that so called defense we have if we are going to win the next game we need to put Novak in the game. Woody has a hard head. I bet the order came from upstairs to put Copeland in the game. Woody probably would not have used Copeland if he wasn't ordered to. He is still banking on JR Smith. I know management is not happy how Woody is coaching in the playoffs with the Pacers. Whats up with Camby?? We are paying him all this money and he is a no show.

Cope looked good in game 4 when no one else did. I think that had something to do with it. I also think Sheed may have talked to Woodson. They are close and Cope said Sheed has been working with him 1:1.

That's why I love Sheed. Wish he wasn't so old, cuz we could've used him now.

Cope has been in Woody's doghouse all year and even after he's proven he can help there have been some unexplainable DNP's for Cope by Woody. I know he came out a bit shaky but you have to let a kid play to get over that. Especially when we need his scoring. Can't believe we've been wasting this kid on the bench meanwhile JR, Kidd and even Q got some minutes.

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5/16/2013  11:04 PM
nixluva wrote:MUCH better ball and player movement and spacing by the Knicks. They ran crips sets and really they missed a ton of great scoring chances. They should've won by even more. If they can take this energy and smart TEAM BALL on the road they can win in Indy. The Knicks are DUE to win one in Indy.

True...We had a ton of balls rim in and out....The player movement was better, if we can get these same looks in Indy, I like our chances....

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5/16/2013  11:05 PM
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nixluva wrote:MUCH better ball and player movement and spacing by the Knicks. They ran crips sets and really they missed a ton of great scoring chances. They should've won by even more. If they can take this energy and smart TEAM BALL on the road they can win in Indy. The Knicks are DUE to win one in Indy.

True...We had a ton of balls rim in and out....The player movement was better, if we can get these same looks in Indy, I like our chances....


Kidds layup that rolled out of the rim convinced me the dude is cursed. Ive never seen a layup, softly put off the backboard, do that before.
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5/16/2013  11:05 PM
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VDesai wrote:Foul discrepency in this game was absurd. 30 fouls called on the Knicks.
Anthony was mauled and I think went to the line for 4 free throws.

Meanwhile Anthony must be averaging 2-3 offensive fouls per game in the playoffs...its physical both ways and more often than not he is getting hit going to the basket.

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5/16/2013  11:07 PM
Cope played much better, Tyson played better, Shump played better then game 4 and JR is playing better. More Prigs and less Kidd is probably a positive at this point. Knicks seem like they are back on track.
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5/16/2013  11:12 PM
I dont understand why Roy Hibbert of all players is allowed to get away with the crap that he does. He either jumps straight up but brings his arms down or he keeps his arms straight up and jumps into the offensive player. He gets legit blocks but he fouls a ton also.
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5/16/2013  11:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/16/2013  11:17 PM
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NYDiva wrote:Pacers helped to beat themselves with the horrible foul shooting and 19 turnovers. I doubt this happens in Indy on Sat. Knicks need to put together an actual good game in this series, which they haven't since Gm 2.
KNicks played very well. Its the playoffs. They also didn't get any calls and they were the home team.

The officiating hasn't been great, but you're not going to get many calls when you're basically a jump shooting team and you're continually chucking up bad shots.

I think they played well defensively, as they have for most of the playoffs. They hung in there on the boards and Cope was a terrific spark off the bench. But the offensive execution was still poor. They had 12 assists for the entire game & lots & lots of isos. Shump's offense has disappeared; JR's is probably behind the bar at some club in midtown. Melo is showing heart and hit some key buckets, but he's still struggling with that bad shoulder and had zero assists tonight.

I definitely can't say the Knicks played well overall tonight. They were certainly helped by the Pacer turnovers and missed foul shots. They've got to play a lot better in Indy if they hope to get a win.

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5/16/2013  11:15 PM
TeamBall wrote:I dont understand why Roy Hibbert of all players is allowed to get away with the crap that he does. He either jumps straight up but brings his arms down or he keeps his arms straight up and jumps into the offensive player. He gets legit blocks but he fouls a ton also.
The only guy that I remember playing and getting away with that was Zo when he first came into the league but with Zo it was incredible aggression and forcing things. Someone posted earlier that if the Pacers advance that Hibbert won't get those calls against the Heat and I agree. I wish the Knicks would send a tape to the league office. I am not a conspiracy theorist but it isn't fair.
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5/16/2013  11:16 PM
TeamBall wrote:I dont understand why Roy Hibbert of all players is allowed to get away with the crap that he does. He either jumps straight up but brings his arms down or he keeps his arms straight up and jumps into the offensive player. He gets legit blocks but he fouls a ton also.

The straight up shouldn't matter when he's making physical contact with the shooters arms on a consistent basis like he's been doing. It's been maddening. Guy is known for being a foul machine and he's playing like a foul machine, but they just wont call them.

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5/16/2013  11:22 PM
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TeamBall wrote:I dont understand why Roy Hibbert of all players is allowed to get away with the crap that he does. He either jumps straight up but brings his arms down or he keeps his arms straight up and jumps into the offensive player. He gets legit blocks but he fouls a ton also.
The only guy that I remember playing and getting away with that was Zo when he first came into the league but with Zo it was incredible aggression and forcing things. Someone posted earlier that if the Pacers advance that Hibbert won't get those calls against the Heat and I agree. I wish the Knicks would send a tape to the league office. I am not a conspiracy theorist but it isn't fair.

Lol that was actually me that said that. Its a shame though cause Hibbert will get called for them because its against Miami and not because they're actually fouls.
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5/16/2013  11:24 PM
Knicks are a better team with more offensive firepower- but they weren't playing enough of the scorers on the floor at once against a tough Indiana defense. Putting Copeland out there with Melo, JR and Felton stretched that Pacer defense thin and made a big difference.
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5/16/2013  11:25 PM
VDesai wrote:
TeamBall wrote:I dont understand why Roy Hibbert of all players is allowed to get away with the crap that he does. He either jumps straight up but brings his arms down or he keeps his arms straight up and jumps into the offensive player. He gets legit blocks but he fouls a ton also.

The straight up shouldn't matter when he's making physical contact with the shooters arms on a consistent basis like he's been doing. It's been maddening. Guy is known for being a foul machine and he's playing like a foul machine, but they just wont call them.


Exactly I completely agree. He usually brings his arms down once they meet and rarely does he get the ball. I thought he got it on the Tyson play though.
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5/16/2013  11:26 PM
Two simple, obvious adjustments. Cope stretches the floor and Pablo takes the reigns in place of Kidd. Knicks win.
Looks like JR found his groove, and Tyson actually looked active tonight.

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5/17/2013  12:24 AM
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Woodson on not playing Kidd or Amar'e in the 2nd half: "It’s not always what player's want. Today it’s about winning." #Knicks

I am glad Woody has finally seen things our way. The only problem is every game should have been about winning and not just an elimination game.

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5/17/2013  12:36 AM
Clean wrote:Ian Begley‏@IanBegley1m
Woodson on not playing Kidd or Amar'e in the 2nd half: "It’s not always what player's want. Today it’s about winning." #Knicks

I am glad Woody has finally seen things our way. The only problem is every game should have been about winning and not just an elimination game.

Yea Woody screwed the pooch on this one. We ALL were calling for him to make better use of his roster. He's shown a tendency to do this crap in the playoffs. He shuts down his offense trying to be more defensive, but you can't cripple your offense like that.

This team was more about putting pressure on teams offensively and defensively. We should never have left out our statistically most potent role players. More than that tonight you saw more Solid sets run than at any time in the playoffs. They stuck to the offense much more tonight.

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5/17/2013  1:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
VDesai wrote:Foul discrepency in this game was absurd. 30 fouls called on the Knicks.
Anthony was mauled and I think went to the line for 4 free throws.

This is at home, with our backs to the wall- we get no respect from the refs. I've actually missed this game to finally be able to go to bjj practice. Awesome to hear that Cope finally getting burn in the playoofs and providing the goods Also Priggy Smalls ! Great win !

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5/17/2013  1:41 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Whats up with Camby?? We are paying him all this money and he is a no show.

Didn't you get the memo? They're saving him for the finals.

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