misterearl wrote:exactly

Bonn1997 wrote:A win in game 4 still shifts the entire season back in the Knicks' favor.

Split in Indiana. Return home for a pivotal game 5.

That was a must-win for indiana.

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All in all, things aren't too bad. I just hope they rebound from this turd performance

nykshaknbake wrote:Woody deserves heat for tonight's game. But the way you talk he's been a terrible coach all season. Your points are mostly way off and this is not even considering your man love for MDA.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:With all those days of practice, there's no reason in the world this team should come out playing like this. This is the kind of game that people fear from WOODY. No feel or creativity on offense. POOR USE OF HIS ROSTER!!! Getting out coached by Doc in most of the quarters and now Vogel is taking him to school. He'd better get his act together or this will get ugly fast.

Please stop.

OK explain to me why this team has looked so bad in so many games this post season? That's on the Coach. I don't wanna hear no excuses for this guy when he's not performing up to par. Where is his so called "accountability" for Tyson not blocking out? Man come on and stop acting like Woody is untouchable. He's got a team to win with and so far they haven't played up to their potential and it's been CLEAR AS DAY that Woody has done a bad job at times in the playoffs.

I don't know but guys aren't hitting their shots??

You're pointing out the symptom but not the cause! The offense was moving WAY too slow and there wasn't enough ball and player movement to get the best shots. We only had a few really well executed plays and this didn't just start today. Where is the "accountability" Woody always talks about?

This man had a TON of time to get this team ready to play the Pacers and this is the best he could do? Now game 4 is a MUST WIN!!! This team can't play like this again in this series. There's literally no excuse for the team to not play their brand of BB.

I have to admit its really tough seeing u trying to hold Woody accountable when u never held MDA accountable ..

So you guys are trying to make two wrongs into a right here? If i'm wrong for supporting MDA when the team was struggling, then how does that make it ok to just ignore Woody doing a bad job. With MDA it was clear that the team was rebuilding and management never really gave him the kind of players he wanted with the exception of a few months. Then he was a lame duck coach with a petulant Franchise player and a horrible lockout shortened season, injured players trying to play their way into shape etc. What's Woody's excuse for this awful performance?

Woody has pretty much all the pieces he should need to compete at a high level and so far this team has only played well for a Quarter here and there but rarely a full game. This team needs great coaching.
Tell my why he didn't rip into Tyson for not blocking out?
Why has he coddled JR?
Why has he not made better use of his bench?
Why did the team come out in game after game playing poorly?
Why is the team being outhustled?
Why is this team struggling to run it's offense even when they have tons of time to work on it and get it right?

you presume that there's some sort of continuity between regular season and playoffs, especially the second round where the real post-season essentially begins.

there are good regular season coaches and good regular season players but that doesn't mean they will be good in the second round of the playoffs.

this is the time of the year where the "a win is a win" you hear in the regular season begins to look foolish.

MSG3 wrote:This series is over unless Tyson wakes up. Felton was bad but it was his first poor game of the post season. I'd hope he bounces back. I'm less confident in Tyson.

tyson feeds off felton and so do the knicks.. felton has a bad game, knicks usually look bad.. we have survived carmelo's awful shooting and subpar all around play this playoffs, but I doubt the knicks can continue to have felton struggle... he usually gets chandler involved, and you see chandler involved on offense he usually is more active defensively... we all knew who chandler was, some of us overrated him, but I see a lot of chandler bashing and honestly the problems are bigger than him..

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Woody deserves heat for tonight's game. But the way you talk he's been a terrible coach all season. Your points are mostly way off and this is not even considering your man love for MDA.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:With all those days of practice, there's no reason in the world this team should come out playing like this. This is the kind of game that people fear from WOODY. No feel or creativity on offense. POOR USE OF HIS ROSTER!!! Getting out coached by Doc in most of the quarters and now Vogel is taking him to school. He'd better get his act together or this will get ugly fast.

Please stop.

OK explain to me why this team has looked so bad in so many games this post season? That's on the Coach. I don't wanna hear no excuses for this guy when he's not performing up to par. Where is his so called "accountability" for Tyson not blocking out? Man come on and stop acting like Woody is untouchable. He's got a team to win with and so far they haven't played up to their potential and it's been CLEAR AS DAY that Woody has done a bad job at times in the playoffs.

I don't know but guys aren't hitting their shots??

You're pointing out the symptom but not the cause! The offense was moving WAY too slow and there wasn't enough ball and player movement to get the best shots. We only had a few really well executed plays and this didn't just start today. Where is the "accountability" Woody always talks about?

This man had a TON of time to get this team ready to play the Pacers and this is the best he could do? Now game 4 is a MUST WIN!!! This team can't play like this again in this series. There's literally no excuse for the team to not play their brand of BB.

I have to admit its really tough seeing u trying to hold Woody accountable when u never held MDA accountable ..

So you guys are trying to make two wrongs into a right here? If i'm wrong for supporting MDA when the team was struggling, then how does that make it ok to just ignore Woody doing a bad job. With MDA it was clear that the team was rebuilding and management never really gave him the kind of players he wanted with the exception of a few months. Then he was a lame duck coach with a petulant Franchise player and a horrible lockout shortened season, injured players trying to play their way into shape etc. What's Woody's excuse for this awful performance?

Woody has pretty much all the pieces he should need to compete at a high level and so far this team has only played well for a Quarter here and there but rarely a full game. This team needs great coaching.
Tell my why he didn't rip into Tyson for not blocking out?
Why has he coddled JR?
Why has he not made better use of his bench?
Why did the team come out in game after game playing poorly?
Why is the team being outhustled?
Why is this team struggling to run it's offense even when they have tons of time to work on it and get it right?

you presume that there's some sort of continuity between regular season and playoffs, especially the second round where the real post-season essentially begins.

there are good regular season coaches and good regular season players but that doesn't mean they will be good in the second round of the playoffs.

this is the time of the year where the "a win is a win" you hear in the regular season begins to look foolish.

So "the real post season" begins when u say it begins??

it's not about me and what i say.

it's about logic, common sense, history, and the mathematics and statistics that are derived from that history. this is what they say:

1) the expansion of the league to 30 teams dilutes the talent pool beyond the possibility of parity during the regular season.
2) the need for a revenue stream forces the league to reward mediocrity based on a diluted talent pool, where 16 of the 30 teams make it to the postseason. it works because an uneducated fanbase settles for what they deem entertainment and accepts whatever quasi-competition the nba dishes out.
3) the result is that the bottom half of the bracket tends more towards mediocrity, and, with a seven-game format, less chance of an upset the further apart the seeds are.
4) true parity tends to be seen in the semi-finals of either conference. hence coaching becomes paramount.

woodson has been annihilated in the second round both times, with 4-0 sweeps and half of those 8 games being blowouts. this is the baggage woodson has brought to the position.

i have taken pains to point this out about woodson over the entire season. i have never quite trusted his interpersonal skills-- maybe it's a little too ingratiating underneath the scowl, or a certain lassitude, among other things. whatever it may be, i believe we can all agree that his coaching will need to take a quantum leap in the next week.

i wish him luck but the crucible of the playoffs exposes weaknesses and limitations, in both players and coaches.

Did u see the Nets and Atlanta play these playoffs and how would u describe the efforts of their best players???...And who do you blame for their efforts???

U kill me with these imagined hypothesis u keep coming up with...Like Felton's playing at his ceiling during the season..Incredible...

Knicksfan wrote:Its really hard to know what to expect in Game 4 because so far this series has been crazy. Knicks sleepwalk through Game 1 but still had chances at winning, yet Indiana stole homecourt. Knicks fire back in a dominating way, granted the domination was for one quarter. Then in Game 3 Indiana is the defensive powerhouse and we can't buy a bucket.

Both losses by NY presented lack of effort, motivation and creativity offensively. Its Jekyll and Hyde with this team. Which team shows up in Game 4?

As some say, Knicks get Game 4 and things look good for them again. I still don't like how inconsistent and switching they are: one night they look unstoppable, the next are simply chumps.

Indiana has the pieces to win this series, but theKnicks should really be the better team. While the rest of the players in the playoffs seem to keep playing at the level they were during the season, we seem to have regressed with Kidd, J.R., Tyson and Copeland all missing in action.

Not a fan of that.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Woody deserves heat for tonight's game. But the way you talk he's been a terrible coach all season. Your points are mostly way off and this is not even considering your man love for MDA.

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:With all those days of practice, there's no reason in the world this team should come out playing like this. This is the kind of game that people fear from WOODY. No feel or creativity on offense. POOR USE OF HIS ROSTER!!! Getting out coached by Doc in most of the quarters and now Vogel is taking him to school. He'd better get his act together or this will get ugly fast.

Please stop.

OK explain to me why this team has looked so bad in so many games this post season? That's on the Coach. I don't wanna hear no excuses for this guy when he's not performing up to par. Where is his so called "accountability" for Tyson not blocking out? Man come on and stop acting like Woody is untouchable. He's got a team to win with and so far they haven't played up to their potential and it's been CLEAR AS DAY that Woody has done a bad job at times in the playoffs.

I don't know but guys aren't hitting their shots??

You're pointing out the symptom but not the cause! The offense was moving WAY too slow and there wasn't enough ball and player movement to get the best shots. We only had a few really well executed plays and this didn't just start today. Where is the "accountability" Woody always talks about?

This man had a TON of time to get this team ready to play the Pacers and this is the best he could do? Now game 4 is a MUST WIN!!! This team can't play like this again in this series. There's literally no excuse for the team to not play their brand of BB.

I have to admit its really tough seeing u trying to hold Woody accountable when u never held MDA accountable ..

So you guys are trying to make two wrongs into a right here? If i'm wrong for supporting MDA when the team was struggling, then how does that make it ok to just ignore Woody doing a bad job. With MDA it was clear that the team was rebuilding and management never really gave him the kind of players he wanted with the exception of a few months. Then he was a lame duck coach with a petulant Franchise player and a horrible lockout shortened season, injured players trying to play their way into shape etc. What's Woody's excuse for this awful performance?

Woody has pretty much all the pieces he should need to compete at a high level and so far this team has only played well for a Quarter here and there but rarely a full game. This team needs great coaching.
Tell my why he didn't rip into Tyson for not blocking out?
Why has he coddled JR?
Why has he not made better use of his bench?
Why did the team come out in game after game playing poorly?
Why is the team being outhustled?
Why is this team struggling to run it's offense even when they have tons of time to work on it and get it right?

you presume that there's some sort of continuity between regular season and playoffs, especially the second round where the real post-season essentially begins.

there are good regular season coaches and good regular season players but that doesn't mean they will be good in the second round of the playoffs.

this is the time of the year where the "a win is a win" you hear in the regular season begins to look foolish.

So "the real post season" begins when u say it begins??

it's not about me and what i say.

it's about logic, common sense, history, and the mathematics and statistics that are derived from that history. this is what they say:

1) the expansion of the league to 30 teams dilutes the talent pool beyond the possibility of parity during the regular season.
2) the need for a revenue stream forces the league to reward mediocrity based on a diluted talent pool, where 16 of the 30 teams make it to the postseason. it works because an uneducated fanbase settles for what they deem entertainment and accepts whatever quasi-competition the nba dishes out.
3) the result is that the bottom half of the bracket tends more towards mediocrity, and, with a seven-game format, less chance of an upset the further apart the seeds are.
4) true parity tends to be seen in the semi-finals of either conference. hence coaching becomes paramount.

woodson has been annihilated in the second round both times, with 4-0 sweeps and half of those 8 games being blowouts. this is the baggage woodson has brought to the position.

i have taken pains to point this out about woodson over the entire season. i have never quite trusted his interpersonal skills-- maybe it's a little too ingratiating underneath the scowl, or a certain lassitude, among other things. whatever it may be, i believe we can all agree that his coaching will need to take a quantum leap in the next week.

i wish him luck but the crucible of the playoffs exposes weaknesses and limitations, in both players and coaches.

Did u see the Nets and Atlanta play these playoffs and how would u describe the efforts of their best players???...And who do you blame for their efforts???

U kill me with these imagined hypothesis u keep coming up with...Like Felton's playing at his ceiling during the season..Incredible...

i don't really know what you refer to when you say "hypotheses." 30 teams is a fact. allowing more than half the teams into the postseason by definition rewards mediocrity, also a fact.

the hawks and the nets are the poster children of mediocrity. the regular-season records were above .500 but players like johnson and smith are relics of a hopefully-bygone era of overpaid players who do not have what it takes to succeed in the postseason.

when you get right down to it, each year there are really only 5-6 teams who are actually good teams. the four semi-finalists and perhaps one or two other teams that are very close.

felton is being given the kind of help he has really always needed, giving him room to excel at what he does best-- which is not orchestrating an offense but something in between shooting guard and orchestrating point guard. there is no shame in that whatsoever and i'm glad this issue was addressed from day 1, first with kidd and now with prigioni. on his own without a player like kidd or prigioni felton would most definitely flounder.