dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:2nd in the east is like being 5th in the west. We've had the 9th easiest schedule out of 30 teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings/_/page/2/sort/sos
Do you want to have a top east team or a top NBA team?

Give it a break Bonn, we're in uncharted waters. We haven't been this good and relevant in a while. Put down the analysis and glass half full outlook for a minute at least, you'll feel better.

Were you content with a .649 team in the '90s?

Exactly, that's the point Bonn. It's been how long, since we've even been in a position to even sniff the 90s. You would think the team is at .500 or below with some of the comments thrown around here. Before the season even began, who here wouldn't sign up for the Atlantic Division lead with a 1/2 game behind the 1st seed in the East with nearly 50% of the season done?

To answer your question, yes I was content with an over .600 in the 90s. They always had a chance to do something in the playoffs, to advance, to give fans long lasting memories, to battle the Jordans, the Millers, the Hardaways and Mournings, to come oh so close vs Hakeem, and to be the Cinderella underdog team to give it to the East and give it their all against the dominant Duncan and Robinsons.

Yes, I'm content with a Knicks team that can compete. All you can ask as a fan.

I'd be ecstatic with a Championship contending team. We shall see.

let me see if i understand you:

first, clearly you approved of "the trade," right? a trade which wrenched us from honest and patient rebuild to win-now.

and lest we forget, weren't knick fans waiting and waiting for that second guy to play alongside ewing?

oddly, even if we are in win-now mode you will be content with simply being competitive in the playoffs, and the reason is-- because it has been so long?

in fact, the denver nuggets pre-trade were basically in the same situation year after year after year-- but it will be okay if it ends up being the same here?

wasn't the idea behind the trade to win a title?

If you don't make the trade, you're mired in mediocrity. Knicks were 28-26 under D'Antoni and the Amare led Youth movement. You already see the D'Antoni effect out in Lakerville, not pretty.

If you don't make the trade, you can't compete with the Boston's and Miami's in the East. Forget about a title, you don't stand a chance with Gallinari squaring off against Pierce and James.

If you don't make the trade, you don't get a defensive player of the year in Chandler, a hall of fame guard in Kidd, and fair or not, finally rid of the poison that is Mike D'Antoni.

So yes, the end product is what you're seeing this season, and I'd say we're infinitely closer to challenging for a title than standing pat and letting the mediocrity continue.

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Anji wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.

You are asking Melo to take a pay cut. If thats the case, the same rule of thumb applies to Lin. Why couldn't managemnet explain to Lin that we want to give you every dime we could under the new CBA rules but we also want to build a championship team with you, Melo, Stat, Chandler, Kidd etc? Why couldn't Lin take less money to stay here? Instead he went for the money just Melo and every other athlete has done before them and will continue to do after them.

lin wasn't costing the knicks picks and players and a chance to get better... lin just cost the knicks tax money.. dolan has plenty of it and if his plan was to win, then you pay the price as long as it doesn't hurt your team... we are going to pay the tax anyway, how would signing lin hurt the team? or keep it from getting better?

The final year of his contract is a cap killer. If he didn't pan out we'd be stuck with a near max contract when everyone else is coming off the books. I still agree we shouldn't have let him go, but after all the outrage and narratives, there's a case to be made that the Knicks made the right call by not keeping him under those terms.

Lin expires same year as Amare, Melo and Tyson. Thats a boatload off the books when you include Lin. Pretty mcuh allowing us to build our version of the heat big 3 or 4. Maybe Keep Melo, add Durant, Lebron, Kyrie, Alridge, Love, etc

Yup. There is really no reason Knicks shouldn't have signed Lin. Lin would not have affected the cap whatsoever.

Yeah there is, Dolan didn't want him. That's always the best and only reason you need not to sign some one.

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If it makes you feel better, Dolan wasn't hiding in Vegas when the offer sheet needed to delivered.

Now Lin is hiding? How the heck did he do that? The only thing the Knicks had to do was send the offer sheet to NBA offices.

Geezus, Grunwald was dodging the offer sheet before Dolan even knew about it.

Grunny at the Summer League team Hotel was....

Hiding out in Janitorial Closets.....

Going Down Fire Stairways for Exits....

Jumping into Construction Shoots Stories up on the Side of the Building Retreating...

Hiding in HVAC ducts.....

Camped out on top of the Roof.....

Hanging from Pulleys on the side of the Hotel Window Washing....

Hiding in the Kitchen Freezer Vaults....

Hiding in Laundry Linen Closets....

Everything possible to avoid coming into direct contact with that offer sheet

Hersports85 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:2nd in the east is like being 5th in the west. We've had the 9th easiest schedule out of 30 teams.
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerrankings/_/page/2/sort/sos
Do you want to have a top east team or a top NBA team?

Give it a break Bonn, we're in uncharted waters. We haven't been this good and relevant in a while. Put down the analysis and glass half full outlook for a minute at least, you'll feel better.

Were you content with a .649 team in the '90s?

Exactly, that's the point Bonn. It's been how long, since we've even been in a position to even sniff the 90s. You would think the team is at .500 or below with some of the comments thrown around here. Before the season even began, who here wouldn't sign up for the Atlantic Division lead with a 1/2 game behind the 1st seed in the East with nearly 50% of the season done?

To answer your question, yes I was content with an over .600 in the 90s. They always had a chance to do something in the playoffs, to advance, to give fans long lasting memories, to battle the Jordans, the Millers, the Hardaways and Mournings, to come oh so close vs Hakeem, and to be the Cinderella underdog team to give it to the East and give it their all against the dominant Duncan and Robinsons.

Yes, I'm content with a Knicks team that can compete. All you can ask as a fan.

I'd be ecstatic with a Championship contending team. We shall see.

That's all that really matters, competing in the playoffs. Truth is we're stilling building chemistry, trying to turn the team into a defensive minded team, dealing with injuries and yet we're still the 2nd in the East. Why is everyone complaining???? That's what I don't get. I understand it's things we can be critical of and players don't always make the best decisions but guys are acting as if we're 5th or 6th in the east and don't see that players are trying to improve their game.

I could be wrong, and have no problem admitting it ... but Jan/Feb gives us time to practice the little things, gives us something to build on and get guys healthy .. but I'm willing to bet that by time March is here, the team is clicking and we make a good push in the playoffs.

Tyson and Kidd (2 key components to our success) has been here before and know when it's time to turn it up. Do you think they're too concerned about the reg. season? It's not Tyson is a shell of himself from last year, we know Tyson can be aggressive when needed, he's pacing himself though. We also seen Kidd play his heart out in games and others hang back .. these guys will be okay.

The keys for the next 2 months is to
1. maintain a high seed
2. get guys healthy
3. build chemistry
4. improve on defense
5. develop some money offense plays.

seeding is important-- vital in fact if we are to advance past the first and second rounds. but if we don't make it to the conference finals you will still be content? is that right?

o_O umm what??? Clearly I stated maintaining a high seed is very important. Our #1 Goal this season 2nd, getting healthy to make a playoff run.

I'm with Melo on our goals for the season, can't say it enough ... the goal of this team and realistic fans is to make the ECF. Have said this a million times. Anything less will be a disappointment with the roster we have, but as I said we need to get healthy during these next 2 months, that's vital right now.

Don't get your argument with what I said.

this and your next post about being a top 4 seed is what i was responding to. if they don't reach the ECF it will be big-time fail for an old win-now squad.

and the tick-tock tick-tock will get louder.

but all kidding aside, i actually will be thrilled to see a competitive ECF with the knicks.

NYKBocker wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:Can anyone answer though, was Houston the only offer Lin received?

Yes. This is fact. Also, Houston only sent 1 offer. The poison pill offer.

So, if no other team offered him anything while being a free agent, what information do we have that he would've got us something significant in a trade? Maybe it was all about saving money.

I know some people bring up how JR only received 1 offer from us, and use that as a sign that no other team wanted him.

Hersports85 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:Can anyone answer though, was Houston the only offer Lin received?

Yes. This is fact. Also, Houston only sent 1 offer. The poison pill offer.

So, if no other team offered him anything while being a free agent, what information do we have that he would've got us something significant in a trade? Maybe it was all about saving money.

I know some people bring up how JR only received 1 offer from us, and use that as a sign that no other team wanted him.

Nobody offered Lin anything because every GM thought Knicks will sign him and that they will be stupid not to. Morey even said he was surprised that Knicks did not match. They sent 2 poison pill contracts expecting to only get 1.

Hersports85 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:Can anyone answer though, was Houston the only offer Lin received?

Yes. This is fact. Also, Houston only sent 1 offer. The poison pill offer.

So, if no other team offered him anything while being a free agent, what information do we have that he would've got us something significant in a trade? Maybe it was all about saving money.

I know some people bring up how JR only received 1 offer from us, and use that as a sign that no other team wanted him.

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:What in the hell is going on here. I know I say TKF and dk7th are the same person from time to time but it's just in jest. You guys are taking this way too far.

i think he feels he has 2k to just throw away, I will be happy to collect.... and this guy is throwing around threats... not wise.. he don't know me.. real talk... if martin will do it, this will be the easiest 2k i have ever made.....

actually it is the dumbest bet I have ever seen anyone make...

well do i get a piece of the 2000?

free money, why not, I will pay pal you some for the heck of it.... spend it how you like..

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Papabear Says

Well lets set it up so you can win the 2k and prove me wrong and you get paid. I've spent money before and this is a gut feeling and I may be wrong but I don't think so.

papa worth more than money is for me to see you gone from here, lets do this now, get martin involved, he can prove it right now and the loser is done on this site for good... I am down with that.. I honestly don't believe you will send any money. I think this is the most honest deal that can be done.. I am sure martin can track IP's so that you can't come back... for me, this is like betting on a game that happened yesterday...

Papabear Says

TKF now YOU don't want to discuss money just be banned from this forum. Well if you remember all I wanted was a gentlemans bet of $200.00 It was you who wanted 2K not me. And as far as being banded from a forum. Only you got banded from a forum not Papabear. I was prepared to put up the money. I guess the only way to get enjoyment out of your hating Melo is MVP MVP MVP and if he wins that will be your saddest day. Look I never liked Michael Jordan, or Paul Pierce because they were Knick Killers. But I respect them and if I ever saw Paul Pierce I would run to get his autograph because off the court I can seperate my dislike of Jordan,and Pierce. It's just a game and I know what it takes to be just an average player in the NBA. That means that average player was a star in his city or town and an all state player. I respect that. Melo won a NCAA championship MVP which makes him a WINNERNOW TAKE THAT TO THE BANK NCAA CHAMP

BRIGGS wrote:Im not a believer that Carmelo Anthony wouldve went to the Nets. That was leverage he used on Dolan. If the Knicks just explained to Carmelo that we want to give you every dime--but we also want you to win a championship--like Lebron--its bets that we sign you outright following the season. If we did that-we would be a legit championship contender. Forget Miami for one minute--we have no chance no chance as composed to even compete with the Bulls and when they get Derrick Rose either will the Heat. We needed to keep Gallo especially giving us that third special gun and guys like Chandelr Mosgov draft picks--this team couldve been awesome. It still is a GOOD team and its capable of doing some very good things but we couldve buily a dynasty team if patient.