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FoeDiddy
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12/10/2012  12:23 AM
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Why are you comparing Melo to Point Guards..he is a small forward/Power forward...his main job isn't to get others involved..that's a bonus. How do his numbers compare to other Small forwards/power forwards in the league?
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12/10/2012  12:28 AM
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Nash was an amazing orchestrator, is a hof, mvp and one of the best players to play in the nba. He also couldn't guard anyone and didn't play a lick of defense.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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12/10/2012  5:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2012  5:18 AM
tkf wrote:lawson is fast!

Just like you were to get off the internet after our Knicks victory. You were fast to run before hiding under a rock postgame. We all know if Denver would've won, you would've posted up a storm. But, Melo out played your favorite basketball player in the whole wide whole in Gallo, Melo destroyed Gallo during the clutch sitatuons of the 4th quarter and our 15-5 New York Knicks beat your favorite 10-11 Denver Nuggets team. You have too much pride to admit you were wrong about not only the trade, but also our Knicks of this year. So, instead of being a true sport and making it known you were wrong as a Knicks fan, you go and hide under a rock after games such as this one. Too funny.

You had 13 post's during the game but yet, only two post's after the Knicks won. The first post after the game was giving credit to Gallo for his losing ways. Then it only took two post's after the game before you stated... "later yall". 13 post's during the game. Only two post's after the game before stating... "LATER YA'LL"?!? Looks like someone who was unhappy with a Knicks victory and/or Denver loss. So instead? You went and hid under a rock.
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12/10/2012  6:10 AM
dk7th wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:gallinari tonight 71.8%TS nuggets as a team 64.5

anthony tonight 47.8%TS knicks as a team 50.2

Anthony up to 54%


Is there a live box score with TS% or are you doing the calculations yourself?

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/pages/advanced-statistics-calculator

the second box down.


That will save a little time. Thanks!
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12/10/2012  7:06 AM
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:lawson is fast!

Just like you were to get off the internet after our Knicks victory. You were fast to run before hiding under a rock postgame. We all know if Denver would've won, you would've posted up a storm. But, Melo out played your favorite basketball player in the whole wide whole in Gallo, Melo destroyed Gallo during the clutch sitatuons of the 4th quarter and our 15-5 New York Knicks beat your favorite 10-11 Denver Nuggets team. You have too much pride to admit you were wrong about not only the trade, but also our Knicks of this year. So, instead of being a true sport and making it known you were wrong as a Knicks fan, you go and hide under a rock after games such as this one. Too funny.

You had 13 post's during the game but yet, only two post's after the Knicks won. The first post after the game was giving credit to Gallo for his losing ways. Then it only took two post's after the game before you stated... "later yall". 13 post's during the game. Only two post's after the game before stating... "LATER YA'LL"?!? Looks like someone who was unhappy with a Knicks victory and/or Denver loss. So instead? You went and hid under a rock.

Great post NYK
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12/10/2012  7:11 AM
OGkush121 wrote:Funny how anybody else on the team with the exact same stats would be getting a ton of praise by people like tkf, but because it's Melo giving praise to such performance is unexceptable.
Melo closed the game in the clutch and the first thing he does is praise someone else.
I've been on this board for about a month and I already gave up on trying to put some sense into him about anything regarding Melo. He's just a straight up hater, and even if the Knicks somehow come away with the title this year, he'll still find something to b1tch about.

AMEN,there a few out there that would bitch if we won THE CHIP
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12/10/2012  7:13 AM
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
OGkush121 wrote:Funny how anybody else on the team with the exact same stats would be getting a ton of praise by people like tkf, but because it's Melo giving praise to such performance is unexceptable.
Melo closed the game in the clutch and the first thing he does is praise someone else.
I've been on this board for about a month and I already gave up on trying to put some sense into him about anything regarding Melo. He's just a straight up hater, and even if the Knicks somehow come away with the title this year, he'll still find something to b1tch about.

oh trust me.

There is nobody who is rooting harder for the knicks to NOT win a title than TK and DK

you know what that is unfair and mean-spirited.

i want a title for my team as much as anyone else here.

the knicks have gone all in to win a title in the next two seasons. if they don't win a title then what?

i did not like the way this present team was assembled one bit and i still don't. because i don't believe they will win the title in the next two years.

i have been reflecting on my relationship to this game and my team lately and i realize that i take more pleasure in studying the game and its players than actually rooting like a typical fan. maybe my contempt for dolan and all this losing forced me to adopt this position.

so i take the geek stat route and try not to get too exuberant about the team. i take the long approach.

you guys take my contributions way too personally in my opinion. the players who play the game the right way i enjoy watching because they are so instrumental to success, just as players who play the wrong way detract from success.

Out of all the players in the NBA,GIVE EXAMPLES of who plays the RIGHT way and who plays the WRONG WAY.
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12/10/2012  7:18 AM
And by the way,Gallo looks like the same clumsy,arms flailing,bad foot work on d,flopping or trying to draw fouls on players while looking stupid doing so player that we had. He hasnt progressed one bit since he left our team. Hes a clumsy player,sorta like chris dudley was.
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12/10/2012  7:23 AM
I wonder who would win the "walking and chewing gum contest" gallo or mcgee.
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12/10/2012  7:43 AM
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:lawson is fast!

Just like you were to get off the internet after our Knicks victory. You were fast to run before hiding under a rock postgame. We all know if Denver would've won, you would've posted up a storm. But, Melo out played your favorite basketball player in the whole wide whole in Gallo, Melo destroyed Gallo during the clutch sitatuons of the 4th quarter and our 15-5 New York Knicks beat your favorite 10-11 Denver Nuggets team. You have too much pride to admit you were wrong about not only the trade, but also our Knicks of this year. So, instead of being a true sport and making it known you were wrong as a Knicks fan, you go and hide under a rock after games such as this one. Too funny.

You had 13 post's during the game but yet, only two post's after the Knicks won. The first post after the game was giving credit to Gallo for his losing ways. Then it only took two post's after the game before you stated... "later yall". 13 post's during the game. Only two post's after the game before stating... "LATER YA'LL"?!? Looks like someone who was unhappy with a Knicks victory and/or Denver loss. So instead? You went and hid under a rock.


wow! the minions laying it on thick!
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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12/10/2012  7:48 AM
I know Fish,SOMEONE got called out and still no response.
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12/10/2012  7:57 AM
Tk and Dk are prob looking for some kinda inane stat to show about how good gallo is and how bad Melo is.
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12/10/2012  8:14 AM
FoeDiddy wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Why are you comparing Melo to Point Guards..he is a small forward/Power forward...his main job isn't to get others involved..that's a bonus. How do his numbers compare to other Small forwards/power forwards in the league?

unfavorably

lebron .87:1 in the scoring point guard range, incredibly
durant 1.45:1 in the elite shooting guard range
gallo 1.70:1
pierce 1.55:1
horford 1.36:1
josh smith 1.5:1
joe johnson 1.26:1
wallace 1.27:1
deng 1.74:1
boozer 2:1
gay 2.26:1 he may be being overrated this year
d. lee 1.42:1

get the picture?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/10/2012  8:16 AM
dk7th wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Why are you comparing Melo to Point Guards..he is a small forward/Power forward...his main job isn't to get others involved..that's a bonus. How do his numbers compare to other Small forwards/power forwards in the league?

unfavorably

lebron .87:1 in the scoring point guard range, incredibly
durant 1.45:1 in the elite shooting guard range
gallo 1.70:1
pierce 1.55:1
horford 1.36:1
josh smith 1.5:1
joe johnson 1.26:1
wallace 1.27:1
deng 1.74:1
boozer 2:1
gay 2.26:1 he may be being overrated this year
d. lee 1.42:1

get the picture?

DID I CALL THAT OR WHAT??LOL
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12/10/2012  8:26 AM
15-5....what does advance stats say about that?
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12/10/2012  8:27 AM
dk7th wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Why are you comparing Melo to Point Guards..he is a small forward/Power forward...his main job isn't to get others involved..that's a bonus. How do his numbers compare to other Small forwards/power forwards in the league?

unfavorably

lebron .87:1 in the scoring point guard range, incredibly
durant 1.45:1 in the elite shooting guard range
gallo 1.70:1
pierce 1.55:1
horford 1.36:1
josh smith 1.5:1
joe johnson 1.26:1
wallace 1.27:1
deng 1.74:1
boozer 2:1
gay 2.26:1 he may be being overrated this year
d. lee 1.42:1

get the picture?

Usage to Assist Ratio?!?!?! LMAO!
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12/10/2012  8:29 AM
NUPE wrote:
dk7th wrote:
FoeDiddy wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

Translation

Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

how about mentioning that the knicks won despite JR going 5-19 and the dope Felton was 4-15?

The knicks won despite playing awful. That's awesome.

Denver shot 55 pct.

when the ball doesn't move players like smith and felton suffer. problem is they themselves contribute to the lack of ball movement.

all they need to do is focus on making the extra pass.

if there is a flaw in lawson's game i would say that he too should focus on making the extra pass in the half court. that and learning how to maintain his dribble. his is a youthful game not a veteran game. but then nobody can stay in front of him.

Felton and JR ARE the reason for lack of ball movement (very often). I don't care for either. Still hope the knicks win with them.

The knicks in general don't make the extra pass and it is certainly frustrated. Sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and just hope that the good wins out.

Melo is not really my type of player since I always played PG and he is a hog. I also appreciate that we have an unstoppable crunch time player and a guy who can carry a team. I try to appreciate him for what he is. His defense has certainly improved and I credit Woody for that. JR plays pretty good D too buy his offense makes me cringe.

Felton is just ....... Felton

any point guard worth his salt will have less than 1:1 ratio of usg/assist rate.

the benchmark is nash with a 1:3 ratio.
chris paul is 1:2
kidd here is 1:2
stockton 2:5
thomas .67:1
rondo 1:2
marbury .70:1
felton .74:1

the two latter players are uncomfortably close to a 1:1 ratio to be truly effective as orchestrators and facilitators.

melo 3:1

"ball hog" is apt.

Why are you comparing Melo to Point Guards..he is a small forward/Power forward...his main job isn't to get others involved..that's a bonus. How do his numbers compare to other Small forwards/power forwards in the league?

unfavorably

lebron .87:1 in the scoring point guard range, incredibly
durant 1.45:1 in the elite shooting guard range
gallo 1.70:1
pierce 1.55:1
horford 1.36:1
josh smith 1.5:1
joe johnson 1.26:1
wallace 1.27:1
deng 1.74:1
boozer 2:1
gay 2.26:1 he may be being overrated this year
d. lee 1.42:1

get the picture?

Usage to Assist Ratio?!?!?! LMAO!

Yeah, this one is only because Melo's assists total have gone down.

I'm assuming these guys didn't watch basketball prior to the internet, sometimes you gotta trust your eyes.
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12/10/2012  8:34 AM
These guys that bring out stats ON PAPER,remind me of when I used to work for GM on the assembly line. The bean counters/engineers would come down with all these figures ON PAPER and tell us this should work or that should work ON PAPER.Stats ON PAPER dont mean squat,its what happens in REAL LIFE. And in real life our Knicks are 15-5 THATS ALL THAT MATTERS CASE CLOSED.
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12/10/2012  8:42 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
dk7th wrote:carmelo hits his career average with 54.7TS% the knicks will struggle like they did. 24FGA too many but 16FTA helps. 1 assist

knicks as a team also shot 54.7

gallo 70.2%TS 9 boards 3 assists; but their problem is iguodala underachieving (5 TO) and that lawson turnover killed them

nuggets as a team 62.5%TS

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Gallo played a good game but it is other players fault that Denver lost. Uh huh. If Gallo is so good he should be able to put the team on his back to win.

What Gallo is doing is called STAT PADDING. See Shareef Abdur Rahim. Great stats lots of losses.

gallo played a very efficient good game. melo made a couple of great baskets on him late. it was a good duel.

22 points off turnovers for the knicks: that is a key statistic.

faried 0 offensive boards this is underachieving for faried as he is the second best offensive rebounder in the league.
iguodala 5 turnovers and 3 assists it is usually the other way around isn't it. he, like melo, could also afford to be more efficient.
gallo fired up an air ball. that was the only glaring error.
lawson lost the ball at the end while the nuggets had a chance. that was the game right there.

Felton and Smith didnt have good games and Melo picked up the slack.

If Gallo saw Igoudala and Faried weren't having good games why didn't he try to compensate? He just essential let his team lose.

melo did very little to pick up the slack. he remains a volume shooter whose positive impact on the game remains overhyped. jason kidd picked up the slack, again.

the game was close right to the end and the knicks went on a 12-0 run with both gallo and melo on the bench. you need to see the whole game and digest the goings-on. sounds like all you did was look at the points he scored and not how he scored them, and that he made a very nice drive on gallinari from the left side to help seal a victory. yay melo. you seem like a fool's gold viewer, looking for shiny stuff and believing it has genuine value.

gallo let his team lose? nah i don't see it that way. he is a role player, a borderline all-star reserve, and played his role as dictated by his coach. it's lawson's role to orchestrate and he falls short in that area which holds the nuggets back. notice that lawson's shooting has gone down and he can't make up for it in other areas.

now how does gallinari help iguodala from committing 5 turnovers? or help faried from getting his usual number of offensive rebounds?

i understand that gallinari is a sensitive touchstone and we all know how important this game was to melo and gallo.

like i said it was a good duel between those two and the knicks won.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/10/2012  8:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2012  8:44 AM
Sometimes it's about the 'eye-test'. Melo is passing out of double teams and forcing up less off-balance/bad shots than he has in the past. He has been operating within the flow of the offense. The Knicks have TWO point guards in the starting lineup; there is no real reason for him to try to be a facilitator. However, I see him passing the ball A LOT to JR Smith for open shots/good looks that he misses, b/c he's shooting so poorly. Melo would probably be averaging 3 to 3.5 assists a game if not for that.
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