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VCoug
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12/20/2012  8:14 PM
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
VCoug wrote:Tyson was so good last year, when he wasn't playing with Felton, he was invited to play on the Olympic team and won DPOY both of which are greater honors then him supposedly making the All-Star team this year. In my opinion, it's pretty insulting to Chandler to attribute his success this year to Felton.

VCoug - you could be missing an essential point. You play to get the ball in the basket. Tyson was close to the basket last season and we had no one to get him the ball inside on the regular.

Raymond Felton does not make Tyson Chandler better. He makes Chandler's post dunk shouts louder.

Feel good. Why? We are that good as a team.

19-6 is kinda sexy, yes?

You're missing an essential point. You, nor anyone else, has been able to show that he's playing appreciably better this year than last or that the slight improvement this year offensively is due to Felton. If Felton is so much better than the combination of TD/Lin/Bibby/crippled-BD wouldn't he have significantly better numbers this year, similar to the improvement when he left Felton and the Bobcats for Dallas?

You are missing the most essential point...Yes, the number that matters most, is significantly better, but you are not agreeing....19-6 is the number the world is watching...

Are we winning because of Felton or in spite of him? In hierarchy of importance I'd place Felton 5th behind Melo, Tyson, Kidd, and JR. Once Amare and Shump are back hopefully he'll be around 7th. I believe based on how he plays, his usage%, and his FGA/game Felton sees himself as 1st or 2nd.

OK...U won't listen to me...Listen to JKIdd, future hall of famer who knows what it takes to win and I quote:" “Felton is the engine," Kidd said. “I tell him to go out there and set the tempo."

Do you honestly expect Felton's teammates or coaches to call him out in the media?

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12/20/2012  8:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2012  8:34 PM
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
VCoug wrote:Tyson was so good last year, when he wasn't playing with Felton, he was invited to play on the Olympic team and won DPOY both of which are greater honors then him supposedly making the All-Star team this year. In my opinion, it's pretty insulting to Chandler to attribute his success this year to Felton.

VCoug - you could be missing an essential point. You play to get the ball in the basket. Tyson was close to the basket last season and we had no one to get him the ball inside on the regular.

Raymond Felton does not make Tyson Chandler better. He makes Chandler's post dunk shouts louder.

Feel good. Why? We are that good as a team.

19-6 is kinda sexy, yes?

You're missing an essential point. You, nor anyone else, has been able to show that he's playing appreciably better this year than last or that the slight improvement this year offensively is due to Felton. If Felton is so much better than the combination of TD/Lin/Bibby/crippled-BD wouldn't he have significantly better numbers this year, similar to the improvement when he left Felton and the Bobcats for Dallas?

You are missing the most essential point...Yes, the number that matters most, is significantly better, but you are not agreeing....19-6 is the number the world is watching...

Are we winning because of Felton or in spite of him? In hierarchy of importance I'd place Felton 5th behind Melo, Tyson, Kidd, and JR. Once Amare and Shump are back hopefully he'll be around 7th. I believe based on how he plays, his usage%, and his FGA/game Felton sees himself as 1st or 2nd.

OK...U won't listen to me...Listen to JKIdd, future hall of famer who knows what it takes to win and I quote:" “Felton is the engine," Kidd said. “I tell him to go out there and set the tempo."

Do you honestly expect Felton's teammates or coaches to call him out in the media?

No actually...They have a sound fundamental understanding of the game and knows how important it is for the team, that Felton continue to do what he is doing...Be aggressive and get into the lane, disrupt the defense with your penetration...How does TS% measure this very important asset anyway...
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12/20/2012  9:54 PM
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
VCoug wrote:Tyson was so good last year, when he wasn't playing with Felton, he was invited to play on the Olympic team and won DPOY both of which are greater honors then him supposedly making the All-Star team this year. In my opinion, it's pretty insulting to Chandler to attribute his success this year to Felton.

VCoug - you could be missing an essential point. You play to get the ball in the basket. Tyson was close to the basket last season and we had no one to get him the ball inside on the regular.

Raymond Felton does not make Tyson Chandler better. He makes Chandler's post dunk shouts louder.

Feel good. Why? We are that good as a team.

19-6 is kinda sexy, yes?

You're missing an essential point. You, nor anyone else, has been able to show that he's playing appreciably better this year than last or that the slight improvement this year offensively is due to Felton. If Felton is so much better than the combination of TD/Lin/Bibby/crippled-BD wouldn't he have significantly better numbers this year, similar to the improvement when he left Felton and the Bobcats for Dallas?

You are missing the most essential point...Yes, the number that matters most, is significantly better, but you are not agreeing....19-6 is the number the world is watching...

Are we winning because of Felton or in spite of him? In hierarchy of importance I'd place Felton 5th behind Melo, Tyson, Kidd, and JR. Once Amare and Shump are back hopefully he'll be around 7th. I believe based on how he plays, his usage%, and his FGA/game Felton sees himself as 1st or 2nd.

OK...U won't listen to me...Listen to JKIdd, future hall of famer who knows what it takes to win and I quote:" “Felton is the engine," Kidd said. “I tell him to go out there and set the tempo."

Do you honestly expect Felton's teammates or coaches to call him out in the media?

No actually...They have a sound fundamental understanding of the game and knows how important it is for the team, that Felton continue to do what he is doing...Be aggressive and get into the lane, disrupt the defense with your penetration...How does TS% measure this very important asset anyway...

He's not disrupting the defense. Opposing defenses are practically begging him to shoot and he's playing right into their hands.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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12/21/2012  5:59 AM
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
holfresh wrote:
VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:
VCoug wrote:Tyson was so good last year, when he wasn't playing with Felton, he was invited to play on the Olympic team and won DPOY both of which are greater honors then him supposedly making the All-Star team this year. In my opinion, it's pretty insulting to Chandler to attribute his success this year to Felton.

VCoug - you could be missing an essential point. You play to get the ball in the basket. Tyson was close to the basket last season and we had no one to get him the ball inside on the regular.

Raymond Felton does not make Tyson Chandler better. He makes Chandler's post dunk shouts louder.

Feel good. Why? We are that good as a team.

19-6 is kinda sexy, yes?

You're missing an essential point. You, nor anyone else, has been able to show that he's playing appreciably better this year than last or that the slight improvement this year offensively is due to Felton. If Felton is so much better than the combination of TD/Lin/Bibby/crippled-BD wouldn't he have significantly better numbers this year, similar to the improvement when he left Felton and the Bobcats for Dallas?

You are missing the most essential point...Yes, the number that matters most, is significantly better, but you are not agreeing....19-6 is the number the world is watching...

Are we winning because of Felton or in spite of him? In hierarchy of importance I'd place Felton 5th behind Melo, Tyson, Kidd, and JR. Once Amare and Shump are back hopefully he'll be around 7th. I believe based on how he plays, his usage%, and his FGA/game Felton sees himself as 1st or 2nd.

OK...U won't listen to me...Listen to JKIdd, future hall of famer who knows what it takes to win and I quote:" “Felton is the engine," Kidd said. “I tell him to go out there and set the tempo."

Do you honestly expect Felton's teammates or coaches to call him out in the media?

No actually...They have a sound fundamental understanding of the game and knows how important it is for the team, that Felton continue to do what he is doing...Be aggressive and get into the lane, disrupt the defense with your penetration...How does TS% measure this very important asset anyway...

He's not disrupting the defense. Opposing defenses are practically begging him to shoot and he's playing right into their hands.

Well then they must have us right where they want us at 19-6...Let's hope they continue their diabolical plot to allow Felton to shoot and get into the lane, setting up his teammates, and perhaps we can get to 38-12...Those opposing team are witty at times...
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12/21/2012  8:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/21/2012  8:43 AM
Holfresh calls it like it is

Well then they must have us right where they want us at 19-6...Let's hope they continue their diabolical plot to allow Felton to shoot and get into the lane, setting up his teammates, and perhaps we can get to 38-12...Those opposing team are witty at times...

Felton is our decoy. He lulls opponents into thinking he wants to shoot so they leave him alone.

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12/21/2012  8:37 PM
Felton is a decoy? You have to be kidding. He's always hoisting up a shot. Even when it's not falling. He's missing alot of open ones along with his usual BS shots tonight. It took a little while but its looks like Lin might have been the right choice after all.
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12/22/2012  1:29 AM
misterearl wrote:
Felton is our decoy. He lulls opponents into thinking he wants to shoot so they leave him alone.

He does want to shoot... And does... And misses.
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12/22/2012  9:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/22/2012  9:12 AM
Panic in the streets

Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Felton is our decoy. He lulls opponents into thinking he wants to shoot so they leave him alone.

He does want to shoot... And does... And misses.

Felton bricked out the joint with his 9/21 night. Lesson learned. Take it to the hole.

We miss our big men

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12/22/2012  9:21 AM
misterearl wrote:Panic in the streets

Panos wrote:
misterearl wrote:
Felton is our decoy. He lulls opponents into thinking he wants to shoot so they leave him alone.

He does want to shoot... And does... And misses.

Felton bricked out the joint with his 9/21 night. Lesson learned. Take it to the hole.

We miss our big men

Why would his lesson be learned now? He's shot better in only 3 games this month. Why wouldn't he have learned his lesson after going 4-15 against Denver or a combined 7-27 against Brooklyn or 9-30 in our first game against Chicago?

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12/22/2012  11:14 AM
Raymond Felton plays like he reads Jeremy Lin boxscores nightly
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12/22/2012  1:24 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Raymond Felton plays like he reads Jeremy Lin boxscores nightly

Maybe he just wants to average more PPG than Lin regardless of how many shots he has to take?
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12/28/2012  9:22 AM
Out of 130 qualified players, only 2 are getting fewer points per shot than Felton.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/count/121
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12/28/2012  10:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2012  10:18 AM
Jeremy Lin Plays Beautiful Basketball

Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Raymond Felton plays like he reads Jeremy Lin boxscores nightly

Maybe he just wants to average more PPG than Lin regardless of how many shots he has to take?


Second Chances


Raymond Felton is just plain ugly. The pug or pit bull that scares the neighbors.

Jeremy Lin glides between assists to reverse layups and game winning shots. Ray Felton fights over hard picks to prove someone from Latta South Carolina can eat at the big table.

Lin is an international sensation. Felton is the local boy down the street. He hates to miss any minutes because he knows Latta South Carolina is filled with unemployed people. It scares him so much he feels compelled to answer every bucket with one of his own. He takes the game too personally.

That is his flaw. Too competitive or blinded by the chip on his shoulder to see an open man most of the time. 18-6 is his record as starting lead man. Offense.

Yet, on defense he rarely misses an assignment. He digs down and scraps so hard that the pain in his hands is erased. Broken finger? Tape it up. Playing at less than 85 per cent is nothing to Felton. Pain is only in your mind.

Now he is forced to watch. If he is smart, Felton will watch and listen to Jason Kidd. If he is stubborn, he will return the same player he left as. If the party rolls without him, he will adjust to the revised playing time.

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12/28/2012  10:11 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:Out of 130 qualified players, only 2 are getting fewer points per shot than Felton.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/count/121

I honestly believe we're not going to miss Felton at all over the next 4-6 weeks. I'm expecting the offense to look much more cohesive going through Melo, Kidd, and JR on nearly every possession.

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12/28/2012  10:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2012  10:19 AM
Offense is only half of the equation

VCoug wrote: I honestly believe we're not going to miss Felton at all over the next 4-6 weeks. I'm expecting the offense to look much more cohesive going through Melo, Kidd, and JR on nearly every possession.

The difference on offense could be masked by the emergence of Mr Smith in the pick and roll.

Defense is where the wear and tear on Kidd (40 in March) and Priggi Smalls (36) could cause some problems. Not looking forward to Kidd/ Prigioni checking Westbrook, Chris Paul or Rondo.

The March schedule is brutal.

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12/28/2012  10:17 AM
Yea at this pace Kidd won't make it to year 2 of his 3yr deal
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12/28/2012  10:20 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea at this pace Kidd won't make it to year 2 of his 3yr deal

Honestly, the Knicks have bought out players making more per year than Kidd's total contract. I'm not worried about the money. They need Kidd fresh in the playoffs though. I'd like to limit his PT to 26 mpg even if it means more regular season losses.
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12/28/2012  10:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2012  10:25 AM
I like the offense that Woody broke out for Kidd in the Suns game. We didn't force Kidd to run 40 plus pick and rolls with TC. We mostly ran that high pick double rub, with TC, Kidd and JR. They were getting the ball in great spots and Gortat(?) wasn't able to help as freely.

We should run less pick and rolls with Felton and TC when he get's back. Let JR/Melo run some and let JR/Melo pick some more too. Help Felts out a little.

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12/28/2012  10:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/28/2012  10:26 AM
I'm not worried about money either. I'm worried about Felton being our only PG for the next 4yrs with Kidd either injured or in a much more reduced role
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12/28/2012  10:32 AM
It's certainly a valid concern. I am more worried about him reverting back to his usual fat ass self during this 4-6 weeks. He doesn't train like a professional and has been over weight most of his career. The fact that he is injured and still shoots 18 times a night is disgraceful. The Knicks should be very worried that this is their point guard going forward for the next 3 1/2 years.
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