martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Look at all the Dirk ISO's. They work. And they would work with Melo as well and get him into the game.

Oh, I forgot. It does not fit into this "Free Flowing" offense.

there is a big difference between the shooter that Dirk is and what Melo is doing.

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FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Clean wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

We went to melo enough this season in ISO's. He is not the same player he used to be. Last year you tell me melo is going to ISO I have no problem with it. This season you know he is going to miss a layup or 3 or get blocked.

No the issue with the ISOs early in the season was it was done all game..that's a recipe for disaster and boredom. ISOs at end of game is used by all the Elite teams. Your Superstars take your shots at end. if you lose, so be it. At least your best players took the crucial shots.

Does melo do anything wrong in your mind?

He does a lot wrong. He's having a awful season but this team isn't going anywhere without Melo. All that doesn't change the fact that he should be getting way more post up ISOs during crunch time. I'd rather see that then jumper after jumper form various players during crunch time.

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Clean wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

We went to melo enough this season in ISO's. He is not the same player he used to be. Last year you tell me melo is going to ISO I have no problem with it. This season you know he is going to miss a layup or 3 or get blocked.

No the issue with the ISOs early in the season was it was done all game..that's a recipe for disaster and boredom. ISOs at end of game is used by all the Elite teams. Your Superstars take your shots at end. if you lose, so be it. At least your best players took the crucial shots.

Does melo do anything wrong in your mind?

He does a lot wrong. He's having a awful season but this team isn't going anywhere without Melo. All that doesn't change the fact that he should be getting way more post up ISOs during crunch time. I'd rather see that then jumper after jumper form various players during crunch time.

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

thats a lot of ifs

Dirk was definitely a Hall of Famer before that title. Guy revolutionalized the game.

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Look at all the Dirk ISO's. They work. And they would work with Melo as well and get him into the game.

Oh, I forgot. It does not fit into this "Free Flowing" offense.

Yea, exactly.

You either build an ISO team around Melo or you build an MDA team.

I prefer an MDA team, WE SAW AN MDA TEAM WHEN MELO WAS OUT AND LIN RAN US TO 8-1.

You might prefer Melo.

But let's not get it twisted: it's either Melo or MDA; this can't work the way it is.

A mix of both can work. I'm confident in this. It almost worked in the Boston game. In this game it could have worked too but we went free flow all game and started making bad decisions.

They two styles are opposites. Mixing them causes both to suck.

We can't have it both ways. You run some free flow MDA ball, then pop an ISO or two in, this kills the flow.

It almost feels like we're coaching the other 11 guys to play MDA style, but then letting Melo play a different game.

No way.

didn't say mix in that fashion. Run MDA ball before crunch time...when crunch time hits get your best players in their best spots and ISO. It's safe and cuts down on all these turnovers in crunch time.

You think the bulls in the last minutes ran the triangle offense. Nope..they got Jordan in his spot and had him go to work. if the double comes..pass out and get it to the open man. It's simple basketball. Much better then these bounce passes to Amare and Tyson's knees in crunch time leading to turnovers. Or having Lin dribble outside the 3 pt line for 15 secs and then rushing a jumpshot that bricks. That's not good basketball.

The Suns were fine without having to switch it up in crunch time, we can't forget that.

I think even if you bring Melo ISO at the end, you still crush flow. Maybe even worse than before because guys that have been doing one thing all game are now, at the very end, asked to throw it out the window. And then there is the question of "can Melo stay in the game?" until crunch time to "do his thing"?

To my mind, they don't mix either way you cut it.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:What is wrong with Melo??????

Look, Melo had a Sh*t game. But, its tough to get into a rhythm in this equal opportunity offense. no way should Fields and Bill Walker ad guys like that have the same amount of shots as Melo and Stat. Feed the hot hand. When Stat was hot early, he should have touched it everytime. But thats not how we play.

I kind of agree with this. They didn't post him up enough. couple of times they did he got a foul and a layup. Once they went up one point they should have posted him up instead of chucking jumpers.

If you realize when Dallas went down 1...they called a timeout..after that they posted Dirk every time down the floor. Gotta be smart with your personnel. That's what you have Melo for..to close the game. could you imagine Miami not going to Lebron or Wade in the closing minutes or Lakers with Kobe the way Melo was just used. It's insulting. This is Melo's and Amare's Team and it's Lins job and end of the game to make sure both guys take the bulk of shots at the end when it's time to close. You're just letting the other team off the hook if you have your secondary players taking those shots cause they won't get foul shots.

amare is not much of a post up player he was doing a good job exploding to the rim and lin found him. Melo missed so many easy baskets that a 4 year old girl could drain lol

I'm talking of the period from when we were up 1 to being down 13. Our stars didn't get enough touches to close game. In that same period I don't remember another Maverick shooting it besides Dirk. Which either led to shots or free throws. Melo in that time period could have at least gotten to line if posted up.

Reason ISOs are used at end of games most of the time it's cause it's safe. All that picking and cutting at end of game is dangerous cause it leads to turnovers especially with refs calling less fouls. End of game should be Melo Iso time. It almost worked in Boston. If he gets doubled he can pass out and then can lead to ball movement for a open shot.

come on gotta be a little fair melo had a horrendous game. i mean he missed 10 open layups thats rare lol. also that out of bounds TO was pathetic

Yes he was but who cares. Dirk was having a horrendous game until they went ISO to him in 3rd quarter. When your stars are cold that's no reason to stop going to them or posting them up. Can't turn Melo into a catch and shoot guy for 48 minutes.

well dirk didn't miss 10 shots open under the rim plus lets be real dirk is a hall of famer and melo isnt

Melo will be hall of fame if he wins a title or has 5 more all star seasons. Dirk wasn't a hall of famer before last year's title.

thats a lot of ifs

Dirk was definitely a Hall of Famer before that title. Guy revolutionalized the game.

martin wrote:meanwhile, Amare actually looked decent this game.