PresIke wrote:The Knicks then have real use for MDA if they can get two of the big FAs.

if the knicks get lebron & friend - they could win it all with herb coaching.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:not THAT big of a difference..theoretically we're trading blablabla for a broken down Tracy McGrady and the opportunity to sign big FA XYZ this offseason. so it's really trading a promising young player (Hill..i think) and draft picks for a big name star who we sign with the extra $9 M cap space from Jefferies.

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

umynot wrote:TMS have you ever been to Cleveland?

I can't answer for TMS but I can tell you that I met my brother-in-law there three years in a row to see the Cavs and hang out in Cleveland. The first year I went Wilkins was coaching and they honored him at half time. LeBron owns the city and there is alot there. That year he wasn't 21 and the bars outside the arena had the number of days until he was posted. We met there the following two years also. We could never get good seats but we always had a great time going out in the city. I wouldn't underestimate his loyalty to his state and hometown team.

I have had Good times in South Carolina and Delaware!! .... My Point was Cleveland has nothing really to offer.
Other then it's his home town!!

He wants the Biggest Stage!!..... It's written all over him!!

Donnie wants to clear enough space to tell Bron pick who you want and take over NY!!

Not Cleveland!!! NY!!! The one and only NYC

Think would be hard for Bron to say no!!

i think there's a 50/50 shot of us getting Lebron this summer... i'm not giving up 3 potential lottery picks on a 50/50 flip of the coin gamble... unless i have a guarantee that Lebron & Wade are both coming here this summer i don't think this is a good trade to make.

I think having cap space to offer TWO max deals makes it FAR more likely you can lure either Lebron or Wade with someone like Bosh or Amar'e.

I think if you only have cap space for one max guy, it makes it harder to lure them.

Yes, it's a hefty cost, but as many have said - the knicks have already gone all in on 2010. To sacrifice one pick now (2012), a potentially meaningless pick swap and a rookie who doesn't fit the system to maximize the potential this summer is worth it.

The one caveat I have is that if we giving the Rockets the picks they want, they have to take larry hughes. Then I would like to try to flip Al Harrington to the Bulls for Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James. We'd be thin up front with this trade and I think a guy like Tyrus could excel given starter's minutes.

Tmac
Wilson
Gallo
DLee
Tyrus

it'd be interesting enough to watch over the final 30 games. and the ability to retain tyrus should we not get two max guys would make losing the picks hurt less.

nyk4ever wrote:

VDesai wrote:The more I think about it the only way the Knicks are doing this is because they've got to be certain they are getting two marquee FA. The risk is senseless otherwise.

that's my thinking also des.

if this trade is consummated as is, it would put the knicks at a +-18.5mm (11.2 which will be taken up by curry ) cap number for next year. IF the cap stays is 55 million, it would allow the knicks to sign 2 max FA and then have 6.5mm leftover afterwords, which could land us a 3rd FA.

this is all a risk for sure, but i have to hope that donnie has an idea of what's going to happen this summer. maybe im giving the guy too much credit, but he just can't be this stupid to do this absolutely no idea how things will play out in the summer.

Agreed. The only problem with the proposed trade is the inclusion of an additional first round pick. Other than that, this is a great trade for the mere fact that we are opening up so much cap space. If anyone has a problem with that, the alternative is to stand pat, then bitch and complain about how Walsh is asleep and MDA cant coach-up a bunch of scrubs.

crzymdups wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

crzymdups wrote:To sacrifice one pick now (2012), a potentially meaningless pick swap and a rookie who doesn't fit the system to maximize the potential this summer is worth it.

smh.

i never liked the pick - i don't think anyone here did, it's obviously the biggest failure walsh/d'antoni have had (both the drafting and development of hill). he may wind up being a good player but he's not worth comprimising cap space for two max guys.

we'll send lots of updates about how bosh is doing, okay, dj?

I still think our chances would be slim if we had the space to sign two free agents. I think there's a higher chance a max free agent moves to either Toronto, Miami or Cleveland. At least one of them would be getting their full max and would have a chance to win it all.

This would be a dumb move one way or the other.

VDesai wrote:Plenty of people liked the pick, and its downright ludicrous to assert that Hill wouldn't fit the system based on a dozen games of play. The guy is a 6'11 player with athleticism and some offensive ability. The most important point is he still holds a lot of value- enough that you shouldn't have to add extra picks in addition to him in a a salary dump trade. He should be incentive enough.

Morey knows we are desperate. The fact we are even including a lottery pick to move Jefferies is absurd.

VDesai wrote:Plenty of people liked the pick, and its downright ludicrous to assert that Hill wouldn't fit the system based on a dozen games of play. The guy is a 6'11 player with athleticism and some offensive ability. The most important point is he still holds a lot of value- enough that you shouldn't have to add extra picks in addition to him in a a salary dump trade. He should be incentive enough.

The fact that we are giving them Hill is being nice as can be. But to include picks is our of the line by a lot. Considering that no matter what, our chances are still somewhere between slim to none to grab any of the top 3 or 4 free agents.

djsunyc wrote:if they don't do this deal, they can still sign 1 max guy and then another one in 2011 but doesn't look like they are even considering that.

True.. But maybe they are. Maybe the hope is "catch lightning in a bottle" Shoot for Lebron or Wade and a big man like Chris Bosh. If not those guys are not interested, you've got a nice fall back option in Joe Johnson at the wing position, sign a 2nd tier big man like Boozer.. than hope for the homerun in 2011 for Kevin Durant??? who knows.. but we gotta try something

JayNYC wrote:

djsunyc wrote:if they don't do this deal, they can still sign 1 max guy and then another one in 2011 but doesn't look like they are even considering that.

True.. But maybe they are. Maybe the hope is "catch lightning in a bottle" Shoot for Lebron or Wade and a big man like Chris Bosh. If not those guys are not interested, you've got a nice fall back option in Joe Johnson at the wing position, sign a 2nd tier big man like Boozer.. than hope for the homerun in 2011 for Kevin Durant??? who knows.. but we gotta try something

that hoopsdata article made a good point - say the Cavs DO get amar'e. say that Bosh and Wade both lose in the first round of the playoffs. maybe they think about joining forces in New York? they know they'll have to team up to beat the Cavs, basically. it's a gamble, because they could join forces in Miami, too... we'll see, i guess.