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4/12/2007  9:23 AM
Here's an interesting article on the topic. It echoes a lot of the views shared here. Before you read the title and start jumping to conclusions -- the author is a Black man.
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.
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4/12/2007  9:44 AM
Im learing a lot the last few days.

Many different views.

I recall last year when Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were told to get lost (not get involved with the Duke thing) by some Durham North Carolina Minister as he felt this was a not fair game for them to promote their agenda and it was more important for the community to deal with it.

What I am learing is the sponsers are pulling out because they fear backlash if they don't. No moral obligation.

What I am learning is its not about being black or white here!

ITs about the GREEN!
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4/12/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by eViL:

Here's an interesting article on the topic. It echoes a lot of the views shared here. Before you read the title and start jumping to conclusions -- the author is a Black man.
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

I repeat Imus had a 1 share. Nobody was listening to him. This is being used as an opportunity to "get the white guy" and make people feel better about themselves. And then prepare to find the next one. But this doesn't change anything in america it just creates dishonesty. Racist hide and won't tell you how they really feel. And your everyday white person won't tell you how they really feel about anything because they are afraid they will be next.

Imus is an idiot. I'm glad sponsors pulled out. His show is over, but it was over before. It means absolutely nothing in the struggle for equality. Elevating ourselves is the only way to achieve equality. This Imus moment is just a media firestorm and his firing is meaningless. Blacks around the US will feel great about the firign for the moment. We will feel vindicated. But in the end we will go back to our lives and Imus will be forgotten. The hope is that this incident will finally wake people up to a lot of the things that Whitlock talked about. The perpetuation of our own stereotypes.
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4/12/2007  9:46 AM
By the way true blue and Evil and some of the others. Stop apologizing for your words. Say what's on your mind and 95% of us will understand your point. Stop apologizing to the 5% looking for a fight.
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4/12/2007  10:00 AM
Posted by eViL:

Here's an interesting article on the topic. It echoes a lot of the views shared here. Before you read the title and start jumping to conclusions -- the author is a Black man.
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

Jason Whitlock has made racial comments about black people. He seems to have an agenda as well. I think most people are familiar with his work. He seems to be just as confused as Don Imus and the gansta rappers he refers too. Please check out this candid interview he did for a blog that was viewed as controversial for defending his playing of the race card.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=1038
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4/12/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

By the way true blue and Evil and some of the others. Stop apologizing for your words. Say what's on your mind and 95% of us will understand your point. Stop apologizing to the 5% looking for a fight.


Thank you, sir. I think it comes from a feeling that whites weren't invited to the conversation.
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4/12/2007  10:05 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

By the way true blue and Evil and some of the others. Stop apologizing for your words. Say what's on your mind and 95% of us will understand your point. Stop apologizing to the 5% looking for a fight.

I hear you, Bip.

I had the luxury of watching the debate develop before I responded here -- if anything, my disclaimer was a reaction to some of the backlash that occurred after some other people posted in this topic. I really didn't want to get involved (especially because people were carrying the discussion pretty well on their own), but I just could not believe that anyone was trying to defend that extremist Black dude. His kinda talk just strikes me as having no value whatsoever. I just wanted to make sure that when I said I thought Black people could be racist, that no one thought I was saying that all black people are racist.
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4/12/2007  10:26 AM
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Posted by eViL:

Here's an interesting article on the topic. It echoes a lot of the views shared here. Before you read the title and start jumping to conclusions -- the author is a Black man.
Imus isn’t the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. You’ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You’ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You’ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it’s 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don’t listen or watch Imus’ show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it’s cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they’re suckers for pursuing education and that they’re selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I’ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is — a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you’re not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There’s no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

Jason Whitlock has made racial comments about black people. He seems to have an agenda as well. I think most people are familiar with his work. He seems to be just as confused as Don Imus and the gansta rappers he refers too. Please check out this candid interview he did for a blog that was viewed as controversial for defending his playing of the race card.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=1038

I was curious what you disagreed with or were offended by in his interview?
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By the way true blue and Evil and some of the others. Stop apologizing for your words. Say what's on your mind and 95% of us will understand your point. Stop apologizing to the 5% looking for a fight.


Thank you, sir. I think it comes from a feeling that whites weren't invited to the conversation.


What do you mean sir????????? Racist!!!
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4/12/2007  10:33 AM
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Jason Whitlock has made racial comments about black people. He seems to have an agenda as well. I think most people are familiar with his work. He seems to be just as confused as Don Imus and the gansta rappers he refers too. Please check out this candid interview he did for a blog that was viewed as controversial for defending his playing of the race card.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=1038


That's a very long piece and I don't care to read the whole thing. Could you highlight a few of the more offensive sections?

Is it different than when whites make fun of "white trash," "hillbillies," "rednecks" "like.. surfer dudes," "valley girls," "white collar corporate profiteers," "empty suits" and the like?

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Now you want to blame rap music. If I'm not misunderstood country music had lyrics about lynching n*ggas. Get ya facts straight homie. Rap music talks mostly about what goes on in the hood and the life after the hood. You probably have never lived in the hood and never went through hard times like some of these rappers have. Ban Rap Music...how about you just ignore that **** and go listen to something else. I live in the hood I can relate to the lyrics even though there are times, I am embarassed to, **** is real. Now some unfunny character goes on air and calls my poeple "Nappy Headed Hoes" and that mutha****a shouldnt get fired...get the **** outta here! If we were to utter the words "redneck" to a cop when we were once again getting pulled over for nothing we would catch a Rodney King. Don't state to what you can't relate to.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jason Whitlock has made racial comments about black people. He seems to have an agenda as well. I think most people are familiar with his work. He seems to be just as confused as Don Imus and the gansta rappers he refers too. Please check out this candid interview he did for a blog that was viewed as controversial for defending his playing of the race card.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=1038


That's a very long piece and I don't care to read the whole thing. Could you highlight a few of the more offensive sections?

Is it different than when whites make fun of "white trash," "hillbillies," "rednecks" "like.. surfer dudes," "valley girls," "white collar corporate profiteers," "empty suits" and the like?

I guess these are two of the more controversial parts. But saying that blacks have a responsibility to raise ourselves up is often followed up with phrases like "you are ignoring history", "you are a sell out" etc. When in the end, everyone agrees with the original statement and can't figure out what was unfair about it.


Q: What about Scoop? Based on the way you bitch-slapped him in the KC Star, you couldn’t have liked working with him.

We didn?t work together. But, yeah, there’s a big dropoff from being associated with Ralph, Hunter and Bill than being linked to someone doing a bad Nat X impersonation. It pissed me off that the dude tried to call himself the next Ralph Wiley and stated some [bleep] about carrying Ralph’s legacy. Ralph was one of my best friends. I hate to go all Lloyd Bentsen, but Scoop Jackson is no Ralph Wiley. Ralph was a grown-ass man who didn’t bojangle for anybody. Scoop is a clown. And the publishing of his fake ghetto posturing is an insult to black intelligence, and it interferes with intelligent discussion of important racial issues. Scoop showed up on the scene and all of a sudden I’m getting e-mails from readers connecting what I write to Scoop. And his stuff is being presented like grown folks should take it seriously. Please. I guess I’ll go Bill Cosby on you, but it’s about time we as black people quit letting Flavor Flav and the rest of these clowns bojangle for dollars. There’s going to be a new civil-rights movement among black people and the people bojangling for dollars are going to be put in check.

Q: A Civil Rights movement? In 2006?

Dude, it’s in the air. Black people are tired of letting idiots define who we are. It’s dangerous. I grew up loving hip hop music. But the [bleep] is way out of hand now. Flavor Flav went from fighting the power with Chuck D to a minstrel show on VH1. You have all of these young rap idiots putting out negative images about black men and black women, and it’s on us to stop it and say enough is a enough. It’s not on white people. And it’s not on old black people like Cosby and Oprah. We have to police our own. W.E.B. Dubois talked about the talented 10 percent leading the black masses. We’re letting the Ignorant 5 lead us straight to hell. The Ignorant 5 are telling white folks, “Yeah, this is how we really is. Let me bojangle for ya, boss. You say step and I’ll show ya I can fetch.” And what?s even more dangerous, the Ignorant 5 are telling black kids, ?It?s cool to be locked up. It makes a man out of you. And don?t embrace education. Dealing dope and playing basketball are better career choices.? The Ignorant 5 is the new KKK and twice as deadly. That?s why you don?t hear ?bout the KKK anymore. The Klan is just sitting back letting 50 Cent and all the other bojanglers do all the heavy lifting.

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Now you want to blame rap music. If I'm not misunderstood country music had lyrics about lynching n*ggas. Get ya facts straight homie. Rap music talks mostly about what goes on in the hood and the life after the hood. You probably have never lived in the hood and never went through hard times like some of these rappers have. Ban Rap Music...how about you just ignore that **** and go listen to something else. I live in the hood I can relate to the lyrics even though there are times, I am embarassed to, **** is real. Now some unfunny character goes on air and calls my poeple "Nappy Headed Hoes" and that mutha****a shouldnt get fired...get the **** outta here! If we were to utter the words "redneck" to a cop when we were once again getting pulled over for nothing we would catch a Rodney King. Don't state to what you can't relate to.

Who's blaming rap music?
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4/12/2007  10:51 AM
Once again I don't think people get it. There are a million things that contribute to racism and the state of black people in america. Our history is one. The perpetuation of stereotypes by whites is another. Whites occupying most positions of power is another. An inability to actually listen to everyone's point of view besides our own. Our own perpetuation of stereotypes. There are a million more factors that can be listed. But we can't change history. We can't change the 65 year old racist. But what we can change is our own role. That's what we should be focusing on. The things we can control. The rest is just rhetoric and doesn't change anything. But it seems anytime anyone speaks up about fixing what WE CAN CONTROL they are called an uncle tom or sell out that doesn't know the ghetto. It's insane.

MLK's message was not to get whitey and change the KKK members minds. His message was to rise up and become better people on our own. Share the power through positivity and workign with those that work with us. Not agree with us, work with us. Fix what you can control. Adn stop worrying about what you can't.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-12-2007 10:52 AM]
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4/12/2007  10:52 AM
I think there's a reason why young people are reverting back to being minstrel shows and selling out for money.

Some aren't as strong as others and they realize depending on where you grew up it's too much racism to go up against. Here's a story of a black guy trying to get ahead the right way.

I once got a lead for a job from a major TV station. Now mind you, someone had already told me this station "Doesnt hire black people". By an Asian woman. This was 2002 so I thought she was crazy. I have a phone interview. I will say that I speak eloquently. The person on the other end was excited. Even moreso once I had e-mailed my resume. And not to toot my own horn, but, my resume can get me hired anywhere in this country. I show up for the interview dressed to the nines. **** that, your boy knows how to dress. I show up and the woman's face immediately drops, and she says they arent really looking for people. Just like that.

So instead of continuing the struggle they sell out and destroy their own in the process .
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4/12/2007  10:58 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Jason Whitlock has made racial comments about black people. He seems to have an agenda as well. I think most people are familiar with his work. He seems to be just as confused as Don Imus and the gansta rappers he refers too. Please check out this candid interview he did for a blog that was viewed as controversial for defending his playing of the race card.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=1038


That's a very long piece and I don't care to read the whole thing. Could you highlight a few of the more offensive sections?

Is it different than when whites make fun of "white trash," "hillbillies," "rednecks" "like.. surfer dudes," "valley girls," "white collar corporate profiteers," "empty suits" and the like?

I guess these are two of the more controversial parts. But saying that blacks have a responsibility to raise ourselves up is often followed up with phrases like "you are ignoring history", "you are a sell out" etc. When in the end, everyone agrees with the original statement and can't figure out what was unfair about it.


Q: What about Scoop? Based on the way you bitch-slapped him in the KC Star, you couldn’t have liked working with him.

We didn?t work together. But, yeah, there’s a big dropoff from being associated with Ralph, Hunter and Bill than being linked to someone doing a bad Nat X impersonation. It pissed me off that the dude tried to call himself the next Ralph Wiley and stated some [bleep] about carrying Ralph’s legacy. Ralph was one of my best friends. I hate to go all Lloyd Bentsen, but Scoop Jackson is no Ralph Wiley. Ralph was a grown-ass man who didn’t bojangle for anybody. Scoop is a clown. And the publishing of his fake ghetto posturing is an insult to black intelligence, and it interferes with intelligent discussion of important racial issues. Scoop showed up on the scene and all of a sudden I’m getting e-mails from readers connecting what I write to Scoop. And his stuff is being presented like grown folks should take it seriously. Please. I guess I’ll go Bill Cosby on you, but it’s about time we as black people quit letting Flavor Flav and the rest of these clowns bojangle for dollars. There’s going to be a new civil-rights movement among black people and the people bojangling for dollars are going to be put in check.

Q: A Civil Rights movement? In 2006?

Dude, it’s in the air. Black people are tired of letting idiots define who we are. It’s dangerous. I grew up loving hip hop music. But the [bleep] is way out of hand now. Flavor Flav went from fighting the power with Chuck D to a minstrel show on VH1. You have all of these young rap idiots putting out negative images about black men and black women, and it’s on us to stop it and say enough is a enough. It’s not on white people. And it’s not on old black people like Cosby and Oprah. We have to police our own. W.E.B. Dubois talked about the talented 10 percent leading the black masses. We’re letting the Ignorant 5 lead us straight to hell. The Ignorant 5 are telling white folks, “Yeah, this is how we really is. Let me bojangle for ya, boss. You say step and I’ll show ya I can fetch.” And what?s even more dangerous, the Ignorant 5 are telling black kids, ?It?s cool to be locked up. It makes a man out of you. And don?t embrace education. Dealing dope and playing basketball are better career choices.? The Ignorant 5 is the new KKK and twice as deadly. That?s why you don?t hear ?bout the KKK anymore. The Klan is just sitting back letting 50 Cent and all the other bojanglers do all the heavy lifting.


Thanks Bip, and I went back and saw the interview wasn't as long as I thought, It was the responses that added up.

So is it the "bojangling for dollars," or the being led by the "ignorant 5%" that's the problem? I could understand someone disagreeing with those interpretations, but does that make him an Uncle Tom?
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4/12/2007  10:59 AM
Hi All,

I don't post much, but something like this really gets me. I admittingly grew up listening to Imus so I am biased. That being said, isn't it absurd that we are judging this man on a throwaway line where he lamely attempted to sound "ghetto" on a comedy show. Imus has been one of the most unsung philantrhopists in the last 10 years. He raises millions of dollars for SIDS/Pediatric Cancer research, while throwing his own money behind his Ranch and donations for terminal children. As far as race relations, Imus introduced and supported Barrack Obama in 2004, being one of the first to give him a national stage (before the democratic convention), he turned many listeners on to him, and in fact if Barrack gets through in 08, it will be the first time I vote. He has also been unwavering in his support of Harold Ford Jr. It seems absurd to me that 30 years (ok probably 15 years) of good are erased by some dumb joke. And to empower a jerk like Al Sharpton even one bit just piles atop the absurdity. The media has blown this out of proportion and a man who has done more singlehandedly to better society than 99% of public figures is being crucified for it. I guess my summary is, isn't there a point where we give someone a break because of his overall affect on the greater good of society? That a bad offensive joke by a comedian shouldn't destroy him? And where does one draw the line? As an american culture we seem to be pushing back the line on things we can not say or do. Our rights are being limited every year, and this just adds to it.

(sorry for rambling)
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4/12/2007  11:04 AM
Posted by playa2:

I think there's a reason why young people are reverting back to being minstrel shows and selling out for money.

Some aren't as strong as others and they realize depending on where you grew up it's too much racism to go up against. Here's a story of a black guy trying to get ahead the right way.

I once got a lead for a job from a major TV station. Now mind you, someone had already told me this station "Doesnt hire black people". By an Asian woman. This was 2002 so I thought she was crazy. I have a phone interview. I will say that I speak eloquently. The person on the other end was excited. Even moreso once I had e-mailed my resume. And not to toot my own horn, but, my resume can get me hired anywhere in this country. I show up for the interview dressed to the nines. **** that, your boy knows how to dress. I show up and the woman's face immediately drops, and she says they arent really looking for people. Just like that.

So instead of continuing the struggle they sell out and destroy their own in the process .

Good post. Our educational system has a lot to do with this. When you don't have anything to fall back on what choices do you have? You want to have money, you want to be successful so you do what you have to do. Not realizing what it does to the rest of us. They end up being the real sell-outs to be honest. The school I went to was a mess. Many Teachers didn't care. Many parents didn't care about their kids educations. The school was a disaster to even be in. There were no "successful" role models that looked like us that had made it out of the neighborhood through education. And top that off with the pressure of "not trying to be white" when you did do well in a class. Many students in my school followed that path and are still sitting in the same neighborhood having earned less cash then their fathers. It's a sad state of affairs in the inner city educational system. Created by our past history. How do we change it? Cry and complain until white people come save us? Or step up and find a way to make education the forefront. The longer we wait to do this, the harder it becomes to reverse the cycle.
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4/12/2007  11:11 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Now you want to blame rap music. If I'm not misunderstood country music had lyrics about lynching n*ggas. Get ya facts straight homie. Rap music talks mostly about what goes on in the hood and the life after the hood. You probably have never lived in the hood and never went through hard times like some of these rappers have. Ban Rap Music...how about you just ignore that **** and go listen to something else. I live in the hood I can relate to the lyrics even though there are times, I am embarassed to, **** is real. Now some unfunny character goes on air and calls my poeple "Nappy Headed Hoes" and that mutha****a shouldnt get fired...get the **** outta here! If we were to utter the words "redneck" to a cop when we were once again getting pulled over for nothing we would catch a Rodney King. Don't state to what you can't relate to.

Who's blaming rap music?

He's refering to the Jason Whitlock article:

Okay, I've been trying to avoid this thread but I just got pulled in by Whitlocks article. First, I am a former hip hop journalist, myself. I don't disagree that Hip hop can be very influential piece of art to many of the youth who aren't able to seperate reality from fiction. And in most cases it can have a negative affect on the youth. Rappers have sort of become the spokes-people of the projects and many of the youth out in surburbia (who account for more then 70% of rap CD purchases). You can hear the harsh, sometimes degrading lyrics being recited by little boys in the projects who look way too young to be saying such words. These same boys (who dont know any better) sometimes think the rappers actually live by the words they speak which is far from the truth. And yes, you get a handfull who may try to follow in the footsteps of the song they heard (As a teen, I sparked my first blunt listening to Redmans 'how to roll a blunt').

But to put the brunt of the blame on hip hops shoulders is absurd. First, It was totally unfair for Whitlock to say that the girls on the Rutgers team was probably snapping thier fingers to a 50 cent song. I doubt he knows thier backgounds and even if they did dance to a hip hip song, it still doesn't justify being called "Nappy headed h**". These rappers comming up now are products of the industry. Most positive rap (yes it still exists) dont get any play over the air-waves (radio stations, MTV, BET etc.) And these companies are not controlled by minorities. Record labels which for the most part also isn't owned by any minorities, are reponsible for putting out most of these negative images these rappers portray. Its big money in trying to mimic 50 cent etc, so these labels set out to search for the next one, and if they can't find the next rappper that survived 9 bullets, they will create him. I know of a bunch of rappers, that were told to change their style (one that will more fit in to the ignorant-rap that is dominating the airwaves) or get dropped from the label.

Parenting and our horrible educational system (believe it or not but I'm a teacher) hasn't done anything to pick up the slack. Some of these kids (and most of the parents) aren't getting the proper eduaction that can give them the proper guidance and alternative ways of thinking and pulling themsleve out of that ghetto mentality. Educators have really failed the kids in the projects.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-12-2007 11:15 AM]
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4/12/2007  11:15 AM
For the record my father grew up with 11 kids in 2 bedroom house. Poorer than I ever was growing up in Bport. He worked his asse to the bone and made a good life for himself and his family. The people in his neighborhood call him a "sell-out". How do you rise above when any kind of success not associated with entertainment are considered selling out. If you work for a white company you are a "sell out". What form of success are you allowed to have in america where you will not be judged by your own?

Flava Flav's show and the rap industry is a perfect example of "selling out" in my view. The white market dictates what they want us to look like and we follow. How about the black actors who fake an accent on camera in order to act "more black". That to me is selling out. Not sure when working in a boardroom or whatever someone else called it and making money became more of a problem than perpetuating stereotypes

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-12-2007 11:28 AM]
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