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7/27/2006  9:51 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/25/ireland.psalms.ap/index.html

Medieval book of psalms unearthed
First millennium manuscript, open to Psalm 83, found in Irish mud

DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) -- Irish archaeologists Tuesday heralded the discovery of an ancient book of psalms by a construction worker while driving the shovel of his backhoe into a bog.

The approximately 20-page book has been dated to the years 800-1000. Trinity College manuscripts expert Bernard Meehan said it was the first discovery of an Irish early medieval document in two centuries.

"This is really a miracle find," said Pat Wallace, director of the National Museum of Ireland, which has the book stored in refrigeration. Researchers will conduct years of painstaking analysis before putting the book on public display.

"There's two sets of odds that make this discovery really way out," Wallace said. "First of all, it's unlikely that something this fragile could survive buried in a bog at all, and then for it to be unearthed and spotted before it was destroyed is incalculably more amazing."

He said an engineer was digging up bogland last week to create commercial potting soil somewhere in Ireland's midlands when "just beyond the bucket of his bulldozer, he spotted something." Wallace would not specify where the book was found because a team of archaeologists is still exploring the site.

"The owner of the bog has had dealings with us in past and is very much in favor of archaeological discovery and reporting it," Wallace said.

Crucially, he said, the bog owner covered up the book with damp soil. Had it been left exposed overnight, he said, "it could have dried out and just vanished, blown away."

The book was found open to a page describing, in Latin script, Psalm 83, in which God hears complaints of other nations' attempts to wipe out the name of Israel.


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7/27/2006  10:00 AM
New IDF tactic: The phone call
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
GAZA CITY

It was a phone call Ibrahim Mahmoud says he'll never forget.

The woman on the other end, speaking in Hebrew-accented Arabic, accused the appliance store owner of being a member of Hamas and informed him the IDF would bomb his house. Hours later, after he had already moved 20 relatives out of the four-story building, she called back to tell him she had made a mistake.

"Be safe," she said and hung up, according to Mahmoud.

Dozens of other Palestinians have recently received similar phone calls, many of them on target, in a new tactic the army said is meant to reduce civilian casualties in its monthlong offensive in Gaza. Palestinian officials dismissed the army's claim that the phone calls are meant to reduce deaths.

The military is also dropping leaflets from aircraft, warning people to stay away from terrorists. The army has also taken over Hamas radio frequencies for short periods of time for the same purpose.

Israel launched its offensive after a Hamas-linked group killed two soldiers and captured a third in a cross-border raid on June 25. Since then, more than 120 Palestinians have been killed. On Wednesday, Palestinians suffered their highest one-day casualty toll when the army killed 23 people, among then 16 terrorists as well as a mother and her two small daughters.

The army has said it regrets the civilian casualties, but accuses terrorists of operating from residential areas.

So this week, about 1,000 residents in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis answered their phones and listened to a recorded message by the IDF warning them against harboring operatives or hiding weapons.
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7/27/2006  10:04 AM
Al-Qaida Calls for Holy War Against Israel
Jul 27, 8:18 AM (ET)

By WILLA THAYER

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader issued a worldwide call in a new videotape released Thursday for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq."
In the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri, second in command to Osama bin Laden, said that al-Qaida now views "all the world as a battlefield open in front of us."
The Egyptian-born physician said that the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah and Palestinian militants would not be ended with "cease-fires or agreements."
"It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims until they were driven from power at the turn of the 16th century.
He also said that Arab regimes were complicit in Israeli fighting against Hezbollah and the Palestinians. "My fellow Muslims, it is obvious that Arab and Islamic governments are not only impotent but also complicit ... and you are alone on the battlefield. Rely on God and fight your enemies ... make yourselves martyrs."
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7/27/2006  11:43 AM
from: http://ctv.com/

A Canadian soldier's report from South Lebanon
Updated Wed. Jul. 26 2006 5:19 PM ET

After the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah, and the subsequent bombing campaign began against Lebanon, CTV.ca received an email from Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, a Canadian Forces soldier serving with the UN in South Lebanon.

"...If you are interested in a Canadian perspective on the events of yesterday and what is happening here in the area I am serving in, I can provide some concise info for you about the current situation," he wrote.



With the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, Major Hess-von Kruedener was the only Canadian serving as a United Nations Military Observer in Lebanon. He was stationed at the UN base about 10 kilometres from where the Syrian, Lebanese and Israeli borders meet. The UN's mission there is to report ceasefire violations.

On July 25, that base came under fire from Israeli artillery and was struck by a precision-guided aerial bomb. Four UN observers died. On July 26, the federal government said Hess-von Kruedener was missing and presumed dead.

Here is (an excerpt of the) email, written July 18, with background on the mission and the current situation:
"This is all the information of a non-tactical nature that I can provide you. I cannot give you any info on Hezbollah position, proximity or the amount of or types of sorties the IAF is currently flying. Suffice to say that the activity levels and operational tempo of both parties is currently very high and continuous, with short breaks or pauses. Please understand the nature of my job here is to be impartial and to report violations from both sides without bias. As an Unarmed Military Observer, this is my raison d'etre.

What I can tell you is this: we have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both artillery and aerial bombing. The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.

I thank you for the opportunity to provide you with some information from the front lines here in south Lebanon.

Maj Hess-von Kruedener:"

>This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.<
>This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity.<

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c6f7fc18-ccb6-46a0-a24a-9d55c546bcfe&k=12828

Bomb fallout rattles UN

Steven Edwards; with files from Joel Kom, CanWest News Service; with files from news services
Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006
UNITED NATIONS - Israel continued to face criticism yesterday over its destruction of a UN base in southern Lebanon, but comments from a Canadian who was one of four UN observers killed in the air strike on Tuesday appear to bolster Israel's contention that Hezbollah was active in the area near the destroyed post.

An e-mail written by Major Paeta Hess-von Kruedener, sent on July 19 and posted on the Web site of CTV, recounts numerous incidents of Hezbollah activity.
The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base."
"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the [Israel Defence Forces] and Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.

The Canadian soldier also said of Israeli counter fire to that date: "This has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Those words are evidence that Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, according to retired Major-General Lewis MacKenzie.
He said the phrase "tactical necessity" is military talk that indicates Hezbollah was purposely putting itself near the UN facility.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the [IDF],' " he said.
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7/27/2006  1:35 PM
Bombing ambulances and UN posts. I'm just curious when any of you guys are going to admit that Israel is wrong about anything. At what point will one of you say: "you know what? Bombing an ambulance and bombing a UN compound, thats just ridiculous. Its not right, I am ashamed of what my country/hoomeland is doing."

Because thats what I said when I saw the US killing Iraqi's and Afghani's in the name of their war on terror.

Smoke signals from the battle of Bint Jbeil send a warning to Israel

By Robert Fisk

06/27/06 "The Independent" -- -- Qlaya, Southern Lebanon -- Is it possible - is it conceivable - that Israel is losing its war in Lebanon?

From this hill village in the south of the country, I am watching the clouds of brown and black smoke rising from its latest disaster in the Lebanese town of Bint Jbeil: up to 13 Israeli soldiers dead, and others surrounded, after a devastating ambush by Hizbollah guerrillas in what was supposed to be a successful Israeli military advance against a "terrorist centre".

To my left smoke rises too, over the town of Khiam, where a smashed United Nations outpost remains the only memorial to the four UN soldiers - most of them decapitated by an American-made missile on Tuesday - killed by the Israeli air force.

Indian soldiers of the UN army in southern Lebanon, visibly moved by the horror of bringing their Canadian, Fijian, Chinese and Austrian comrades back in at least 20 pieces from the clearly marked UN post next to Khiam prison, left their remains at Marjayoun hospital yesterday.

In past years, I have spent hours with their comrades in this UN position, which is clearly marked in white and blue paint, with the UN's pale blue flag opposite the Israeli frontier. Their duty was to report on all they saw: the ruthless Hizbollah missile fire out of Khiam and the brutal Israeli response against the civilians of Lebanon.


Is this why they had to die, after being targeted by the Israelis for eight hours, their officers pleading to the Israeli Defence Forces that they cease fire? An American-made Israeli helicopter saw to that.

In Bint Jbeil, meanwhile, another bloodbath was taking place. Claiming to "control" this southern Lebanese town, the Israelis chose to walk into a Hizbollah trap. The moment they reached the deserted marketplace, they were ambushed from three sides, their soldiers falling to the ground under sustained rifle fire. The remaining Israeli troops - surrounded by the "terrorists" they were supposed to liquidate - desperately appealed for help, but an Israeli Merkava tank and other vehicles sent to help them were also attacked and set on fire. Up to 17 Israeli soldiers may have died so far in this disastrous operation. During their occupation of Lebanon in 1983 more than 50 Israeli soldiers were killed in just one suicide attack.

The battle for southern Lebanon is on an epic scale but, from the heights above Khiam, the Israelis appear to be in deep trouble. Their F-16s turn in the high bright sun - small, silver fish whose whispers gain in volume as they dive - and their bombs burst over the old prison, where the Hizbollah are still holding out; beyond the frontier, I can see livid fires burning across the Israeli hillsides and the Jewish settlement of Metullah billowing smoke.

It was not meant to be like this, 15 days into Israel's assault on Lebanon. The Katyushas still streak in pairs out of southern Lebanon, clearly visible to the naked eye, white contrails that thump into Israeli's hillsides and border towns.

So is it frustration or revenge that keeps Israel's bombs falling on the innocent? In the early hours two days ago, a tremendous explosion woke me up, rattling the windows and shaking the trees outside, and a single flash suffused the western sky over Nabatiyeh.

The lives of an entire family of seven had just been extinguished.

And how come - since this now obsesses the humanitarian organisations working in Lebanon - that the Israelis bombed two ambulances in Qana, killing two of the three wounded inside. All the crews were injured - one with a piece of shrapnel in his neck - but what worried the Lebanese Red Cross was that the Israeli missiles had pierced the very centre of the red cross painted on the roof of each vehicle. Did the pious use the cross as their aiming point?

The bombardment of Khiam has set off its own brush fires on the hillsides below Qlaya, whose Maronite Christian inhabitants now stand on the high road above like spectators at a 19th century battle. Khiam is - or was - a pretty village of cut-stone doorways and tracery windows, but Israel's target, apart from the obviously marked UN position whose inhabitants they massacred, is the notorious prison in which - before its retreat from Lebanon in 2000 - hundreds of Hizbollah members and, in some cases, their families, were held and tortured with electricity by Israel's proxy militia, the South Lebanon Army.

This was the same prison complex - turned into a "museum of torture" by the Hizbollah after the Israeli retreat - that was visited by the late Edward Said shortly before his death. More important, however, is that many of the Hizbollah men originally held prisoner here were captives in cells deep underground the old French mandate fort. These same men are now fighting the Israelis, almost certainly sheltering from their fire in the same underground cells in which they languished, perhaps even storing some of their missiles there.

In Marjayoun, next to Qlaya, once the SLA's headquarters, Lebanese troops are trying to prevent Hizbollah guerrillas using the streets of the Greek Catholic town to fire yet more missiles at Israel. Seven-man Lebanese army patrols are moving through the darkened roads of both towns at night in case the Hizbollah brings yet more Israeli bombs down on our heads.

In Beirut, one observes the folly of Western nations with amusement as well as horror, but, sitting in these hill villages and listening to how the US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, plans to reshape Lebanon is clearly a lesson in human self-delusion. According to US correspondents accompanying Ms Rice on her visit to the Middle East, she is proposing the intervention of a Nato-led force along the Lebanese-Israeli border for between 60 and 90 days to assure that a ceasefire exists, the deployment of an enlarged Nato force throughout Lebanon to disarm Hizbollah and then the retraining of the Lebanese army before its own deployment to the border.

This plan - which, like all American proposals on Lebanon, is exactly the same as Israel's demands - carries the same depth of conceit as that of the Israeli consul general in New York, who said last week that "most Lebanese appreciate what we are doing".

Does Ms Rice think the Hizbollah want to be disarmed? By Nato? Wasn't there a Nato force in Beirut which fled Lebanon after a group close to the Hizbollah bombed the US Marine base at Beirut airport in 1983, killing 241 US servicemen and dozens more French troops a few seconds later? Does anyone believe that Shia Muslim forces will not do the same again to any Nato "intervention" force? The Americans are talking about Egyptian and Turkish troops in southern Lebanon; Sunni Muslims ruling Shia territory.

The Hizbollah has been waiting and training and dreaming of this new war for years, however ruthless we may regard the actions. They are not going to surrender the territory they liberated from the Israeli army in an 18-year guerrilla war, least of all to Nato at Israel's bidding.

Yesterday's assault on the Israeli army in Bint Jbeil proved that. The problem is that the US sees this slaughterhouse as an "opportunity" rather than a tragedy, a chance to humble Hizbollah supporters in Tehran and help to shape the "new Middle East" of which Ms Rice spoke so blithely this week.

It is Israel which is running out of time in southern Lebanon. Its attacks have for the fifth time in 30 years placed it in the dock for war crimes in Lebanon. The toll of Lebanon's civilian casualties has reached 400. And still the US will not intervene to prevent the carnage, even to call for a 24-hour ceasefire to allow the 3,000 civilians still trapped between Qlaya and Bint Jbeil - who include a number of foreign nationals - to flee.

The only civilian walking those frightening roads to Qlaya was a goatherd, guiding his animals around the huge bomb craters in the tarmac. Talking to him, it emerged that he was almost stone deaf and obviously could not hear the bombs. In this, it seemed, he has a lot in common with Condoleezza Rice.

© 2006 Independent News and Media Limited
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7/27/2006  1:59 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Bombing ambulances and UN posts. I'm just curious when any of you guys are going to admit that Israel is wrong about anything. At what point will one of you say: "you know what? Bombing an ambulance and bombing a UN compound, thats just ridiculous. Its not right, I am ashamed of what my country/hoomeland is doing."

Because thats what I said when I saw the US killing Iraqi's and Afghani's in the name of their war on terror.
Do you think other than terrorists anyone wants to see innocent people die? Are you saying Israel is killing innocent people on purpose? Are you saying we were killing innocent people on purpose in Afghanistan? Are you saying we are the same as terrorists?
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7/27/2006  3:39 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Bombing ambulances and UN posts. I'm just curious when any of you guys are going to admit that Israel is wrong about anything. At what point will one of you say: "you know what? Bombing an ambulance and bombing a UN compound, thats just ridiculous. Its not right, I am ashamed of what my country/hoomeland is doing."

Because thats what I said when I saw the US killing Iraqi's and Afghani's in the name of their war on terror.
Do you think other than terrorists anyone wants to see innocent people die? Are you saying Israel is killing innocent people on purpose? Are you saying we were killing innocent people on purpose in Afghanistan? Are you saying we are the same as terrorists?

People say these things until the war comes to their back yard. But once it's in their backyard they ask their "evil government" to do whatever it takes to get them out and keep them safe. It's easy to scream about bombing ambulances and civilians when you are sitting safe at home watching on tv. Not so easy when you are caught in the middle of it. Just my two cents.
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7/27/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Bombing ambulances and UN posts. I'm just curious when any of you guys are going to admit that Israel is wrong about anything. At what point will one of you say: "you know what? Bombing an ambulance and bombing a UN compound, thats just ridiculous. Its not right, I am ashamed of what my country/hoomeland is doing."

Because thats what I said when I saw the US killing Iraqi's and Afghani's in the name of their war on terror.
Do you think other than terrorists anyone wants to see innocent people die? Are you saying Israel is killing innocent people on purpose? Are you saying we were killing innocent people on purpose in Afghanistan? Are you saying we are the same as terrorists?

People say these things until the war comes to their back yard. But once it's in their backyard they ask their "evil government" to do whatever it takes to get them out and keep them safe. It's easy to scream about bombing ambulances and civilians when you are sitting safe at home watching on tv. Not so easy when you are caught in the middle of it. Just my two cents.
Its not just your two cents, its pretty well accepted as the truth. Everything Killa is saying sounds like a person out of touch with this situation would say. Its so much easier to say make peace when you dont have to deal with an extremist.
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7/27/2006  4:00 PM
If your neighbor is launghing rockets in the back yard. You either get the hell out or take him out yourself to protect your home and family.

Launching rockets on civilians with not real accuracy is very uncool.

Israel is not randomly flinging rockets on civilians. The coward Hezbelloah is intrenched in the neighborhood.
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If your neighbor is flinging rockets at your family and then hiding behind his family when you fire back. Of course you don't want to hurt his family because they aren't flinging rockets. You do whatever it takes to avoid hurting them, but in the end your responsibility is to protect your family and keep them save. So what do you do? Let your family die, or do what it takes?
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7/27/2006  5:56 PM
Irael was wrong to ever try to make peace with the people who only wanted to eliminate it.
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7/27/2006  8:43 PM
Guys, have you read the article? The ambulances were hit and were the only cars on the road. They have big red crosses on them. Kinda hard to miss. Israel has the most advanced weapons on the planet (thanks to the US).

They killed UN observers in a clearly marked UN compound. Those UN observers were called the IDF all day to tell them to stop shooting at them!!!

I am officially done here. Israel is never wrong. Bombing ambulances is fine. Killing UN observers is fine. Killing civilians is cool, as long as you call an apartment building a Hezbolla compound. Hey guys, enjjoy yourselves. I am no fan of Hezbolla, but I certainly am not blind to what Israel is doing either. Defend Israel the same way good little Germans defended Hitler. The irony here is palpable.
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7/27/2006  10:02 PM
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- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

- Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.


Posted by Killa4luv:
I have done none of this. Instead of making blanket claims of anti-semiticism against me, why don't you try to prove where I did those thigns?

Posted by Killa4luv:

I am no fan of Hezbolla, but I certainly am not blind to what Israel is doing either. Defend Israel the same way good little Germans defended Hitler...



colorfl1: Ground rules for fair debate...

In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC) of European Union, tried to define more clearly the relationship between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. The EUMC developed a working definition of anti-Semitism that defined ways in which attacking Israel or Zionism could be anti-Semitic. The definition states:
Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

- Denying the Jewish people right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

- Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.

>>>- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
>>>- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

>>>- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
>>>- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
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7/27/2006  10:15 PM
Re. the UN Post...
Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50&p=2

Re. The strategic use of ambilances by terrorist networks...

March 17, 2003
Indictment on Use of Ambulances for Terrorist Activities form March 12, 2003

On March 10 2003, a hearing was held in the military court in Bet El regarding the indictment of Isalam Jibril, a Red Crescent ambulance driver, who is charged with using ambulances to transport weapons to terrorists of the Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades in Nablus and Ramallah.

Among the weapons that the accused transported were guns and explosive belts which were intended for use in terror attacks. In order to disguise the contents of the ambulance, Jibril also transported a doctor and his brother's wife and children, and drove to a checkpoint outside Ramallah where IDF forces stopped him.

The accused pleaded guilty to the charges brought against him and was sentenced with up to four and a half years in prison and a suspended sentence. Revolver hidden in ambulance According to section 2-1 in the indictment: The accused was working as an ambulance driver for the Palestinian Red Crescent at the end of August 2001 when he held a number of telephone conversations with Nadal Zahar also known as "Abu-Antar," a senior terrorist in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, the military wing of the of the Fatah-Tanzim. Abu-Antar asked the accused to transport "material" to Nablus and Ramallah. The accused immediately understood that the "material" in question was weapons designated for terrorist attacks.

After a short time, Abu-Antar visited the home of the accused in Balata and asked if he was prepared to transport guns to Ramallah. The accused agreed and a few weeks latter, in the middle of the night, Abu-Antar brought over a black sack containing a revolver. The accused was instructed to pass the revolver on to Mahmoud Yusuf Idris Al-Surqan, head of Sheikh Ziad Hospital in Ramallah and a resident of El-Bireh. The accused was then requested by Idris to transport a letter and a large package which contained the dates and details of terror attacks carried out by members of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade. The letter contained the phrase, "Send grass for the lamb." The accused testified that he immediately understood that this was a code from Idris requesting weapons or ammunition from Abu-Antar. Explosive belt hidden in an ambulance On March 26, 2002, the accused spoke to Abu-Antar on the phone and agreed to use his ambulance to transport an explosive belt to Ramallah. Abu-Antar arrived at the home of the accused in Balata with Muhammud Titi, another terrorist in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade and another man who waited with a car. When the accused said he was not working that evening, Abu-Antar offered to pay him for his services. During the night, the accused hid a package containing the explosive belt under the stairs in his living room. In the early hours of the morning, the accused opened the package and discovered that it was a bomb attached to ten plastic bottles. In order to safely transfer the explosive belt, he called his work manager and asked to transport his allegedly sick sister-in-law and her son from Nablus to the hospital in Ramallah, promising that he would reimburse any expenses when he returned. The accused placed the explosive belt under the stretcher in the ambulance and a battery on the ambulance monitor. Afterwards he picked up Dr. Assan, a dentist who had asked to accompany the accused on his trip to Ramallah. The accused also picked up his sister-in-law and her children. Together they drove towards Ramallah in the ambulance. The accused succeeded in crossing the Hawarah checkpoint but was stopped at the IDF checkpoint next to the Rama Bridge, where the explosive belt was discovered and safely detonated by IDF forces.




>>>People of the west have no concept of how terrorists choose to fight their battles... they have no rules...
democratic governments are disgusted it when it happens, but when terrorists choose to use civilans and civilain quartars to attack they make it a them into legitimate military targets according to the rules of war...
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7/27/2006  10:39 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Guys, have you read the article? The ambulances were hit and were the only cars on the road. They have big red crosses on them. Kinda hard to miss. Israel has the most advanced weapons on the planet (thanks to the US).

They killed UN observers in a clearly marked UN compound. Those UN observers were called the IDF all day to tell them to stop shooting at them!!!

I am officially done here. Israel is never wrong. Bombing ambulances is fine. Killing UN observers is fine. Killing civilians is cool, as long as you call an apartment building a Hezbolla compound. Hey guys, enjjoy yourselves. I am no fan of Hezbolla, but I certainly am not blind to what Israel is doing either. Defend Israel the same way good little Germans defended Hitler. The irony here is palpable.


You are one of the distinct minority of people on the planet who are blind.

Equating defending Israel to defending hitler is assinine!

No doubt Israel has had been critisized for its strong arm tactics against a vocal enemy who is stated over and over they want to destroy Israel, but peace has not worked over the last 60 years!

You have provided alternative press that you ignorantly take as legit because its internet vs cridible journalists. I have read viable complaints about Israel and to some extent they provide a reasonable point of view.

Again, your hitler remark shows your true colors. In fact, I can respect straight up if you were upfront about it. You are not alone.

If Israel must do what they gotta do to survive they will. As awful as it is, and a price must be paid, then so be it. But to lay down their arms and let a civilization that has contributed so much be run over and exterminated by a race of people that who don't have anything to gain would be truly tragic at many levels. That is a price the civilized world cannot afford to pay.
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7/27/2006  10:55 PM
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...
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7/28/2006  2:48 AM
Oh god. DO you guys really believe I'm afraid to say how I feel? If I were anti-semetic and hated Jews, what would stop me from saying it?
Do you think I'd be afraid to see one of you guys at the opening night celbration? ROFL!! Are one of you guys gonna beat me up or something? Have you seen me before? I'll say it again, I'm not shy man, and I am not afraid of any of you guys. If I hated Jews, I'd simply say it. I don't hate any group/race/ethnicity of people. You guys are unreal, parading this charge of anti-semetism as a badge against criticism. .
Denying the Jewish people right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
It is a racist endeavor by definition. In the same way that claiming women have a right to their own nation would be a sexist endeavor. You are not too good with logic huh? But furthermore, Israel is here, it really was messed up how it happened, but its here. No different than how the US commited genocide and enslaved people to make this country, but its here, its a moot point. I have made my argument for why I thought the creation of Israel was a bad idea. I'll add to that that what if other groups feel they have a right to self determination? Whatr if Gay people (a historically persecuted group) lobbies for their own state? Do we just push the people off of Trinidad and give it to them? What about the Tutsis who have been being massively murdered by the Hutus? Do we give them a state too? My point is, its bad logic, and its only selfishness that makes you guys agree with it. You like it because it applies to Jews, but haven't thought about how far this can go. Do you know how many gay people there are in this world? Maybe we can give them the whole former USSR, they could certainly fill it up.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
prove it. Name one country I said it was ok for them to not abide by the geneva convention, UN resolutions, peace treaties, intn'l law etc. More of your crybaby propoganda, you have no proof.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Even in the farthest deepest caverns of my mind you couldn't find this one. Much less on a message board. Jew's killing Jesus? Jesus was Jewish, and I'm not Christian. I don't even know what blood libel is. F.ucking idiots.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
This 'point' assumes there are never any valid comparisons to be made. If there are valid comparisions to be made I'm an anti-semite for making them?

Many Germans stood by as Hitler systematicly, ridiculed and scapegoated Jews for Germany's economic failures. They stood by as scapegoating turned into blatent racism, and that racism turned into dehumanizing Jews, which lead to the holocaust. These things could only happen because good people stood by and said nothing as things got progressively worse. Germany was not some radically anti-semetic place all along, but it was turned into one.

And as you all say not one critical word about a state who in the last 2 weeks has:
killed hundreds of civilians
bombed civilian infrastructure (water, electric, etc.)
bombed ambulances (plural)
bombed UN outposts killing 4 Un observers
IDF allowed Israeli children to write death messages to Arab children on bombs and missiles.

than yes, like 'good little Germans' you are allowing phase 1 to go by unchecked. However, in this case, there is already such a deep-seated racist hatred for Arabs (and vice versa), and it in fact is already a large part of why these things are happening in this way. You guys don't view Arabs as fully human, or you would be appalled and feel compelled to be critical of Israel in the way that these things are happening, even if you agree with the invasion. But no one has said anything, and that is all very telling. Nalod, you have already exposed your blatant racism.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.
This is stupid, and I never did it. Not once. I know too many marxist and left-leaning Jews to do somethig so foolish. I'd never lump an entire group into anything anyway. Its lazy thinking, and its illogical.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.
I used my own country, and other non-secular states as well. I have been pretty consistant with that as well.

Nalod, if you think I am interested in your respect at this point, you really are one dumb man.
FYI, Israel was not evenaround 60 years ago. 60 years ago, it was Zionists who were bombing hotels and killing people, in the name of 'freedom'.

exterminated by a race of people that who don't have anything to gain
this shows who you are, although you have made yourself much clearer in other threads. You have proven to be a racist. Blatantly.

You guys have to come up with some checklists, and make accusations about me. I don't have to do that with you, your racism is on display for all to see. I have absolutely nothing to hide. Racism is something I take very seriously. So all who wish to call me racist, do me a favor, and say it at a UK gathering to my face like a man; and I'll show you how seriously I take being called a racist.

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7/28/2006  8:02 AM
Killa, I havent seen you condemn a single thing Hizbollah or Hamas has done.

To say that having a nation full of Jews is racist is being anti-semitic. You may not see it, but it is.

Do you condemn The Vatican? It is a Chatholic state.

Saying "exterminated by a race of people that who don't have anything to gain" is pointing out that the only think Syria, Hizbullah and Iran have to gain from exterminating Israel is killing all the Jews. How is that racism?

Israel has always been the land of the Jews. If you can find an empty country and gays would all like to live there, whats the problem with that? I would have no problem if thats what gays wanted to do. You denying them that right is you being homophobic.

You are trying to compare Israels actions to Germanys actions in the early 1900's. Germany had nothing to gain from eliminating Jews. They were proactive in devising a way to eliminate as many Jews in as short an amount of time as possible. They called it the Final Solution. Israel is not trying to wipe out a race. They are protecting themselves from an aggressor, who has been trying to exterminate the jews for a long time. If you dont agree with the way they are doing it, thats fine, we can all debate that. But you are saying that Hizbullah, Hamas and Iran have a right to do what they are doing. In your example the Jews are the German's, killing anyone different then them, and the Arabs are the Jews, doing nothing wrong, and being persecuted for just being arabs. Is that the case here? All your posts indicate that this is what you believe is happening.

This. Makes. You. An. Anti-semite. You are simply trying to rationalize your opinions, But the fact is that your views are anti-semitic. Get used to it. Join the NSM. Shave your head. Have fun with it.

Tell me where I have this wrong.

[Edited by - firefly on 07-28-2006 08:03 AM]
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7/28/2006  11:36 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Oh god. DO you guys really believe I'm afraid to say how I feel? If I were anti-semetic and hated Jews, what would stop me from saying it?
Do you think I'd be afraid to see one of you guys at the opening night celbration? ROFL!! Are one of you guys gonna beat me up or something? Have you seen me before? I'll say it again, I'm not shy man, and I am not afraid of any of you guys. If I hated Jews, I'd simply say it. I don't hate any group/race/ethnicity of people. You guys are unreal, parading this charge of anti-semetism as a badge against criticism. .
Denying the Jewish people right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.
It is a racist endeavor by definition. In the same way that claiming women have a right to their own nation would be a sexist endeavor. You are not too good with logic huh? But furthermore, Israel is here, it really was messed up how it happened, but its here. No different than how the US commited genocide and enslaved people to make this country, but its here, its a moot point. I have made my argument for why I thought the creation of Israel was a bad idea. I'll add to that that what if other groups feel they have a right to self determination? Whatr if Gay people (a historically persecuted group) lobbies for their own state? Do we just push the people off of Trinidad and give it to them? What about the Tutsis who have been being massively murdered by the Hutus? Do we give them a state too? My point is, its bad logic, and its only selfishness that makes you guys agree with it. You like it because it applies to Jews, but haven't thought about how far this can go. Do you know how many gay people there are in this world? Maybe we can give them the whole former USSR, they could certainly fill it up.
- Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
prove it. Name one country I said it was ok for them to not abide by the geneva convention, UN resolutions, peace treaties, intn'l law etc. More of your crybaby propoganda, you have no proof.
- Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Even in the farthest deepest caverns of my mind you couldn't find this one. Much less on a message board. Jew's killing Jesus? Jesus was Jewish, and I'm not Christian. I don't even know what blood libel is. F.ucking idiots.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
This 'point' assumes there are never any valid comparisons to be made. If there are valid comparisions to be made I'm an anti-semite for making them?

Many Germans stood by as Hitler systematicly, ridiculed and scapegoated Jews for Germany's economic failures. They stood by as scapegoating turned into blatent racism, and that racism turned into dehumanizing Jews, which lead to the holocaust. These things could only happen because good people stood by and said nothing as things got progressively worse. Germany was not some radically anti-semetic place all along, but it was turned into one.

And as you all say not one critical word about a state who in the last 2 weeks has:
killed hundreds of civilians
bombed civilian infrastructure (water, electric, etc.)
bombed ambulances (plural)
bombed UN outposts killing 4 Un observers
IDF allowed Israeli children to write death messages to Arab children on bombs and missiles.

than yes, like 'good little Germans' you are allowing phase 1 to go by unchecked. However, in this case, there is already such a deep-seated racist hatred for Arabs (and vice versa), and it in fact is already a large part of why these things are happening in this way. You guys don't view Arabs as fully human, or you would be appalled and feel compelled to be critical of Israel in the way that these things are happening, even if you agree with the invasion. But no one has said anything, and that is all very telling. Nalod, you have already exposed your blatant racism.
- Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.
This is stupid, and I never did it. Not once. I know too many marxist and left-leaning Jews to do somethig so foolish. I'd never lump an entire group into anything anyway. Its lazy thinking, and its illogical.
However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.
I used my own country, and other non-secular states as well. I have been pretty consistant with that as well.

Nalod, if you think I am interested in your respect at this point, you really are one dumb man.
FYI, Israel was not evenaround 60 years ago. 60 years ago, it was Zionists who were bombing hotels and killing people, in the name of 'freedom'.

exterminated by a race of people that who don't have anything to gain
this shows who you are, although you have made yourself much clearer in other threads. You have proven to be a racist. Blatantly.

You guys have to come up with some checklists, and make accusations about me. I don't have to do that with you, your racism is on display for all to see. I have absolutely nothing to hide. Racism is something I take very seriously. So all who wish to call me racist, do me a favor, and say it at a UK gathering to my face like a man; and I'll show you how seriously I take being called a racist.


WOW!

How about giving dogs their own country?

Women? Gays? Your kidding right?

But even Male homosextuals have Provincetown, Mass that they can call their own!

The one thing you don't seem to recognize is the STATE OF ISRAEL HAS BEEN VIOLATED BY AN AGGRESSOR WHOM DEVALUES WOMEN AND CHILDREN AS PROPERTY AND HIDES BEHIND THEM KNOWING THAT ISRAEL WILL NOT FULLY ATTACK IF THEY DO SO! If they did, the civilian loss would be much much higher!

If you just take on the surface what is happening I can see your point. But you discount why Israel is doing this.

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7/28/2006  12:00 PM
The end bit is a faily reasonable conclusion.

Air War, Barbarity, and the Middle East
Degrading Behavior
The Middle East and the Barbarism of War from the Air
By Tom Engelhardt

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=106273

Barbarism seems an obvious enough category. Ordinarily in our world, the barbarians are them. They act in ways that seem unimaginably primitive and brutal to us. For instance, they kidnap or capture someone, American or Iraqi, and cut off his head. Now, isn't that the definition of barbaric? Who does that anymore? The eighth century, or maybe the word "medieval" -– anyway, some brutal past time -- comes to mind immediately, and to the mass mind of our media even faster.

Similarly, to jump a little closer to modernity, they strap grenades, plastic explosives, bombs of various ingenious sorts fashioned in home labs, with nails or other bits of sharp metal added in to create instant shrapnel meant to rend human flesh, to maim and kill. Then they approach a target -- an Israeli bus filled with civilians and perhaps some soldiers, a pizza parlor in Jerusalem, a gathering of Shiite or Sunni worshippers at or near a mosque in Iraq or Pakistan, or of unemployed potential police or army recruits in Ramadi or Baghdad, or of shoppers in an Iraqi market somewhere in that country, or perhaps a foreigner on the streets of Kabul and they blow themselves up. Or they arm backpacks or bags and step onto trains in London, Madrid, Mumbai, and set them off.

Or, to up the technology and modernity a bit, they wire a car to explode, put a jihadist in the driver's seat, and drive it into -- well, this is now common enough that you can pick your target. Or perhaps they audaciously hijack four just-fuelled jets filled with passengers and run two of them into the World Trade Center, one into the Pentagon, and another into a field in Pennsylvania. This is, of course, the very definition of barbaric.

Now, let's jump a step further into our age of technological destruction, becoming less face-to-face, more impersonal, without, in the end, changing things that much. They send rockets from southern Lebanon (or even cruder ones from the Gaza Strip) against Israeli towns and cities. These rockets can only vaguely be aimed. Some can be brought into the general vicinity of an inhabited area; others, more advanced, into specific urban neighborhoods many tens of miles away -- and then they detonate, killing whoever is in the vicinity, which normally means civilians just living their lives, even, in one recent Hezbollah volley aimed at Nazareth, two Israeli Arab children. In this process, thousands of Israelis have been temporarily driven from their homes.

In the case of rockets by the hundreds lofted into Israel by an armed, organized militia, meant to terrorize and harm civilian populations, these are undoubtedly war crimes. Above all, they represent a kind of barbarism that -- with the possible exception of some of those advanced Hezbollah rockets -- feels primitive to us. Despite the explosives, cars, planes, all so basic to our modern way of life, such acts still seem redolent of ancient, less civilized times when people did especially cruel things to each other face to face.

The Religion of Air Power

That's them. But what about us? On our we/they planet, most groups don't consider themselves barbarians. Nonetheless, we have largely achieved non-barbaric status in an interesting way -- by removing the most essential aspect of the American (and, right now, Israeli) way of war from the category of the barbaric. I'm talking, of course, about air power, about raining destruction down on the earth from the skies, and about the belief -- so common, so long-lasting, so deep-seated -- that bombing others, including civilian populations, is a "strategic" thing to do; that air power can, in relatively swift measure, break the "will" not just of the enemy, but of that enemy's society; and that such a way of war is the royal path to victory.

This set of beliefs was common to air-power advocates even before modern air war had been tested, and repeated unsuccessful attempts to put these convictions into practice have never really shaken -- not for long anyway – what is essentially a war-making religion. The result has been the development of the most barbaric style of warfare imaginable, one that has seldom succeeded in breaking any societal will, though it has destroyed innumerable bodies, lives, stretches of countryside, villages, towns, and cities.

Even today, we find Israeli military strategists saying things that could have been put in the mouths of their air-power-loving predecessors endless decades ago. The New York Times' Steven Erlanger, for instance, recently quoted an unnamed "senior Israeli commander" this way: "He predicted that Israel would stick largely to air power for now… ‘A ground maneuver won't solve the problem of the long-range missiles,' he said. ‘The problem is the will to launch. We have to break the will of Hezbollah…'" Don't hold your breath is the first lesson history teaches on this particular assessment of the powers of air war; the second is that, a decade from now, some other "senior commander" in some other country will be saying the same thing, word for word.

When it comes to brutality, the fact is that ancient times have gotten a bad rap. Nothing in history was more brutal than the last century's style of war-making -- than those two world wars with their air armadas, backed by the most advanced industrial systems on the planet. Powerful countries then bent every elbow, every brain, to support the destruction of other human beings en masse, not to speak of the Holocaust (which was assembly-line warfare in another form), and the various colonial and Cold War campaigns that went on in the Third World from the 1940s on; which, in places like Korea and Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, substituted the devastation of air power locally for a war between the two superpowers which might have employed the mightiest air weaponry of all to scour the Earth.

It may be that the human capacity for brutality, for barbarism, hasn't changed much since the eighth century, but the industrial revolution -- and in particular the rise of the airplane -- opened up new landscapes to brutality; while the view from behind the gun-sight, then the bomb-sight, and finally the missile-sight slowly widened until all of humanity was taken in. From the lofty, godlike vantage point of the strategic as well as the literal heavens, the military and the civilian began to blur on the ground. Soldiers and citizens, conscripts and refugees alike, became nothing but tiny, indistinguishable hordes of ants, or nothing at all but the structures that housed them, or even just concepts, indistinguishable one from the other.

One Plane, One Bomb

As far as anyone knows, the first bomb was dropped by hand over the Italian colony of Libya. According to Sven Lindqvist's A History of Bombing, one Lieutenant Giulio Cavotti "leaned out of his delicate monoplane and dropped the bomb -- a Danish Haasen hand grenade -- on the North African oasis Tagiura, near Tripoli. Several moments later, he attacked the oasis Ain Zara. Four bombs in total, each weighing two kilos, were dropped during this first air attack."

That was 1911 and the damage was minimal. Only thirty-four years later, vast armadas of B-17s and B-29s were taking off, up to a thousand planes at a time, to bomb Germany and Japan. In the case of Tokyo -- then constructed almost totally out of highly flammable materials -- a single raid carrying incendiary bombs and napalm that began just after midnight on March 10, 1945 proved capable of incinerating or killing at least 90,000 people, possibly many more, from such a height that the dead could not be seen (though the stench of burning flesh carried up to the planes). The first American planes to arrive over the city, wrote historian Michael Sherry in his book, The Rise of American Air Power, "carved out an X of flames across one of the world's most densely packed residential districts; followers fed and broadened it for some three hours thereafter."

What descended from the skies, as James Carroll puts it in his new book, House of War, was "1,665 tons of pure fire… the most efficient and deliberate act of arson in history. The consequent firestorm obliterated fifteen square miles, which included both residential and industrial areas. Fires raged for four days." It was the bonfire of bonfires and not a single American plane was shot down.

On August 6, 1945, all the power of that vast air armada was again reduced to a single plane, the Enola Gay, and a single bomb, "Little Boy," dropped near a single bridge in a single city, Hiroshima, which in a single moment of a sort never before experienced on the planet did what it had taken 300 B-29s and many hours to do to Tokyo. In those two cities -- as well as Dresden and other German and Japanese cities subjected to "strategic bombing" -- the dead (perhaps 900,000 in Japan and 600,000 in Germany) were invariably preponderantly civilian, and far too distant to be seen by plane crews often dropping their bomb loads in the dark of night, giving the scene below the look of Hell on Earth.

So 1911: one plane, one bomb. 1945: one plane, one bomb -- but this time at least 120,000 dead, possibly many more. Two bookmarks less than four decades apart on the first chapter of a history of the invention of a new kind of warfare, a new kind of barbarism that, by now, is the way we expect war to be made, a way that no longer strikes us as barbaric at all. This wasn't always the case.

The Shock of the New

When military air power was in its infancy and silent films still ruled the movie theaters, the first air-war films presented pilots as knights of the heavens, engaging in courageous, chivalric, one-on-one combat in the skies. As that image reflects, in the wake of the meat-grinder of trench warfare in World War I, the medieval actually seemed far less brutal, a time much preferable to those years in which young men had died by their hundreds of thousands, anonymously, from machine guns, artillery, poison gas, all the lovely inventions of industrial civilization, ground into the mud of no-man's-land, often without managing to move their lines or the enemy's more than a few hundred yards.

The image of chivalric knights in planes jousting in the skies slowly disappeared from American screens, as after the 1950s would, by and large, air power itself even as the war film went on (and on and on). It can last be found perhaps in the film Top Gun; in old Peanuts comics in which Snoopy remains forever the Red Baron; and, of course, post-Star Wars, in the fantasy realm of outer space where Jedi Knights took up lethal sky-jousting in the late 1970s, X-wing fighter to X-wing fighter, and in zillions of video games to follow. In the meantime, the one-way air slaughter in South Vietnam would be largely left out of the burst of Vietnam films that would start hitting the screen from the late 1970s on.

In the real, off-screen world, that courtly medieval image of air power disappeared fast indeed. As World War II came ever closer and it became more apparent what air power was best at -- what would now be called "collateral damage" -- the shock set in. When civilians were first purposely targeted and bombed in the industrializing world rather than in colonies like Iraq, the act was initially widely condemned as inhuman by a startled world.

People were horrified when, during the Spanish Civil War in 1937, Hitler's Condor Legion and planes from fascist Italy repeatedly bombed the Basque town of Guernica, engulfing most of its buildings in a firestorm that killed hundreds, if not thousands, of civilians. If you want to get a sense of the power of that act to shock then, view Picasso's famous painting of protest done almost immediately in response. (When Secretary of State Colin Powell went to the UN in February 2003 to deliver his now infamous speech explaining what we supposedly knew about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, UN officials -- possibly at the request of the Bush administration -- covered over a tapestry of the painting that happened to be positioned where Powell would have to pass on his way to deliver his speech and where press comments would be offered afterwards.)

Later in 1937, as the Japanese began their campaign to conquer China, they bombed a number of Chinese cities. A single shot of a Chinese baby wailing amid the ruins, published in Life magazine, was enough to horrify Americans (even though the actual photo may have been doctored). Air power was then seen as nothing but a new kind of barbarism. According to historian Sherry, "In 1937 and 1938, [President Roosevelt] had the State Department condemn Japanese bombing of civilians in China as ‘barbarous' violations of the ‘elementary principles' of modern morality." Meanwhile, observers checking out what effect the bombing of civilians had on the "will" of society offered nothing but bad news to the strategists of air power. As Sherry writes:

"In the Saturday Evening Post, an American army officer observed that bombing had proven ‘disappointing to the theorists of peacetime.' When Franco's rebels bombed Madrid, ‘Did the Madrilenos sue for peace? No, they shook futile fists at the murderers in the sky and muttered, ‘Swine.' His conclusion: ‘Terrorism from the air has been tried and found wanting. Bombing, far from softening the civil will, hardens it.'"

Already similar things are being written about the Lebanese, though, in our media, terms like "barbarism" and "terrorism" are unlikely to be applied to Israel's war from the heavens. New York Times correspondent Sabrina Tavernise, for instance, reported the following from the site of a destroyed apartment building in the bomb-shocked southern Lebanese port of Tyre:

"Whatever the target, the result was an emotional outpouring in support of Hezbollah. Standing near a cluster of dangling electrical wires, a group of men began to chant. ‘By our blood and our soul, we'll fight for you, Nasrallah!' they said, referring to Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah. In a foggy double image, another small group chanted the same thing, as if answering, on the other side of the smoke."

World War II began with the German bombing of Warsaw. On September 9, 1939, according to Carroll, President Roosevelt "beseeched the war leaders on both sides to ‘under no circumstances undertake the bombardment from the air of civilian populations of unfortified cities.'" Then came, the terror-bombing of Rotterdam and Hitler's Blitz against England in which tens of thousands of British civilians died and many more were displaced, each event proving but another systemic shock to what was left of global opinion, another unimaginable act by the planet's reigning barbarians.

British civilians, of course, still retain a deserved reputation for the stiff-upper-lip-style bravery with which they comported themselves in the face of a merciless German air offensive against their cities that knew no bounds. No wills were broken there, nor would they be in Russia (where, in 1942, perhaps 40,000 were killed in German air attacks on the city of Stalingrad alone) -- any more than they would be in Germany by the far more massive Allied air offensive against the German population.

All of this, of course, came before it was clear that the United States could design and churn out planes faster, in greater numbers, and with more fire power than any country on the planet and then wield air power far more massively and brutally than anyone had previously been capable of doing. That was before the U.S. and Britain decided to fight fire with fire by blitz- and terror-bombing Germany and Japan. (The U.S. moved more slowly and awkwardly than the British from "precision bombing" against targets like factories producing military equipment or oil-storage depots -- campaigns that largely failed -- to "area bombing" that was simply meant to annihilate vast numbers of civilians and destroy cities. But move American strategists did.) That was before Dresden and Hiroshima; before Pyongyang, along with much of the Korean peninsula, was reduced to rubble from the air in the Korean War; before the Plaine des Jarres was bombed back to the Stone Age in Laos in the late 1960s and early 1970s, before the B-52s were sent against the cities of Hanoi and Haiphong in the terror-bombing of Christmas 1972 to wring concessions out of the North Vietnamese at the peace table in Paris; before the first President Bush ended the first Gulf War with a "turkey shoot" on the "highway of death" as Saddam Hussein's largely conscript military fled Kuwait City in whatever vehicles were at hand; before we bombed the rubble in Afghanistan into further rubble in 2001, and before we shock-and awed Baghdad in 2003.

Taking the Sting Out of Air War

Somewhere in this process, a new language to describe air war began to develop -- after, in the Vietnam era, the first "smart bombs" and "precision-guided weapons" came on line. From then on, air attacks would, for instance, be termed "surgical" and civilian casualties dismissed as but "collateral damage." All of this helped removed the sting of barbarity from the form of war we had chosen to make our own (unless, of course, you happened to be one of those "collateral" people under those "surgical" strikes). Just consider, for a moment, that, with the advent of the first Gulf War, air power -- as it was being applied -- essentially became entertainment, a Disney-style, son-et-lumière spectacular over Baghdad to be watched in real time on television by a population of non-combatants from thousands of miles away.

With that same war, the Pentagon started calling press briefings and screening nose-cone photography, essentially little Iraqi snuff films, in which you actually looked through the precision-guided bomb or missile-sights yourself, found your target, and followed that missile or smart bomb right down to its explosive impact. If you were lucky, the Pentagon even let you check out the after-mission damage assessments. These films were so nifty, so like the high-tech video-game experience just then coming into being, that they were used by the Pentagon as reputation enhancers. From then on, Pentagon officials not only described their air weaponry as "surgical" in its abilities, but showed you the "surgery" (just as the Israelis have been doing with their footage of "precision" attacks in Lebanon). What you didn't see, of course, was the "collateral damage" which, when the Iraqis put it on-screen, was promptly dismissed as so much propaganda.

And yet this new form of air war had managed to move far indeed from the image of the knightly joust, from the sense, in fact, of battle at all. In those years, except over the far north of Korea during the Korean War or over North Vietnam and some parts of South Vietnam, American pilots, unless in helicopters, went into action (as Israeli ones do today) knowing that the dangers to them were usually minimal -- or, as over that Iraqi highway of death nonexistent. War from the air was in the process of becoming a one-way street of destruction.

At an extreme, with the arrival of fleets of Hellfire-missile-armed unmanned Predator drones over Iraq, the "warrior" would suddenly find himself seven thousand miles away at Nellis Air Force Base near Las Vegas, delivering "precision" strikes that almost always, somehow, managed to kill collaterally. In such cases, war and screen war have indeed merged.

This kind of war has the allure, from a military point of view, of ever less casualties on one end in return for ever more on the other. It must also instill a feeling of bloodless, godlike control over those enemy "ants" (until, of course, things begin to go wrong, as they always do) as well as a sense that the world can truly be "remade" from the air, by remote control, and at a great remove. This has to be a powerful, even a transporting fantasy for strategists, however regularly it may be denied by history.

Despite the cleansed language of air war, and no matter how good the targeting intelligence or smart the bomb (neither of which can be counted on), civilians who make the mistake of simply being alive and going about their daily business die in profusion whenever war descends from the heavens. This is the deepest reality of war today.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon… [Fill in the Blank]

In fact, the process of removing air power from the ranks of the barbaric, of making it, if not glorious (as in those visually startling moments when Baghdad was shock-and-awed), then completely humdrum, and so of no note whatsoever, has been remarkably successful in our world. In fact, we have loosed our air power regularly on the countryside of Afghanistan, and especially on rebellious urban areas of Iraq in "targeted" and "precise" attacks on insurgent concentrations and "al-Qaeda safe houses" (as well as in more wholesale assaults on the old city of Najaf and on the city of Fallujah) largely without comment or criticism. In the process, significant parts of two cities in a country we occupied and supposedly "liberated," were reduced to rubble and everywhere, civilians, not to speak of whole wedding parties, were blown away without our media paying much attention at all.

Our various air campaigns -- our signature way of war -- have hardly been noticed, and almost never focused on, by the large numbers of journalists embedded with U.S. forces or in one way or another on-the-ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember, we're talking here about the dropping of up to 2,000 pound bombs regularly, over years, often in urban areas. Just imagine, if you live in a reasonably densely populated area, what it might mean collaterally to have such bombs or missiles hit your block or neighborhood, no matter how "accurate" their aim.

Until Seymour Hersh wrote a piece from Washington last November for the New Yorker, entitled "Up in the Air," our reporters had, with rare exceptions, simply refused to look up; and despite a flurry of attention then, to this day, our continuing air campaigns are largely ignored. Yet here is an Air Force summary of just a single, nondescript day of operations in Iraq, one of hundreds and hundreds of such days, some far more intense, since we invaded that country: "In total, coalition aircraft flew 46 close-air support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. These missions included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities."

And here's the summary of the same day in Afghanistan: "In total, coalition aircraft flew 32 close-air support missions in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. These missions included support to coalition and Afghan troops, reconstruction activities and route patrols." Note that, in Afghanistan, as the situation has worsened militarily and politically, the old Vietnam-era B-52s, the carpet-bombers of that war, have been called back into action, again without significant attention here.

Now, with the fervent backing of the Bush administration, another country is being "remade" from the air -- in this case, Lebanon. With the highest-tech American precision-guided and bunker-busting bombs, the Israelis have been launching air strike after strike, thousands of them, in that country. They have hit an international airport, the nation's largest milk factories; a major food factory; aid convoys; Red Cross ambulances; a UN observer post; a power plant; apartment complexes; villages because they house or support the enemy; branches of banks because they might facilitate Hezbollah finances; the telecommunications system because of the messages that might pass along it; highways because they might transport weapons to the enemy; bridges because they might be crossed by those transporting weapons; a lighthouse in Beirut harbor for reasons unknown; trucks because they might be transporting those weapons (though they might also be transporting vegetables); families who just happen to be jammed into cars or minivans fleeing at the urging of the attackers who have turned at least 20% of all Lebanese (and probably many more) into refugees, while creating a "landscape of death" (in the phrase of the superb Washington Post reporter Anthony Shadid) in the southern part of the country. In this process, civilian casualties have mounted steadily -- assumedly far beyond the figure of just over 400 now regularly being cited in our press, because Lebanon has no way to search the rubble of its bombed buildings for the dead; nor, right now, the time and ability to do an accurate count of those who died more or less in the open.

And yet, of course, the "will" of the enemy is not broken and, among Israel's leaders and its citizens, frustration mounts; so threats of more and worse are made and worse weapons are brought into play; and wider targeting fields are opened up; and what might faintly pass for "precision bombing" is increasingly abandoned for the equivalent of "area bombing." And the full support system -- which is simply society -- for the movement in question becomes the "will" that must be broken; and in this process, what we call "collateral damage" is moved, by the essential barbaric logic of air power, front and center, directly into the crosshairs.

Already Israeli Prime Minister Olmert is "vowing" to use the "most severe measures" to end Hezbollah rocket attacks -- and in the context of the present air assault that is a frightening threat. All this because, as in Iraq, as elsewhere, air power has once again run up against another kind of power, a fierce people power (quite capable of its own barbarities) that, over the decades, the bomb and missile has proved frustratingly incapable of dismantling or wiping out. Already, as the Guardian's Ian Black points out, "The original objective of ‘breaking Hizbullah' has been quietly watered down to ‘weakening Hizbullah.'"

In such a war, with such an enemy, the normal statistics of military victory may add up only to defeat, a further frustration that only tends to ratchet the destruction higher over time. Adam Shatz put this well recently in the Nation when he wrote:

"[Hezbollah leader] Nasrallah is under no illusions that his small guerrilla movement can defeat the Israeli Army. But he can lose militarily and still score a political victory, particularly if the Israelis continue visiting suffering on Lebanon, whose government, as they well know, is powerless to control Hezbollah. Nasrallah, whom the Israelis attempted to assassinate on July 19 with a twenty-three-ton bomb attack on an alleged Hezbollah bunker, is doubtless aware that he may share the fate of his predecessor, Abbas Musawi, who was killed in an Israeli helicopter gunship attack in 1992. But Hezbollah outlived Musawi and grew exponentially, thanks in part to its followers' passion for martyrdom. To some, Nasrallah's raid may look like a death wish. But it is almost impossible to defeat someone who has no fear of death."

As the Israelis are rediscovering -- though, by now, you'd think that military planners with half a brain wouldn't have to destroy a country to do so -- that it is impossible to "surgically" separate a movement and its supporters from the air. When you try, you invariably do the opposite; fusing them ever more closely, while creating an even larger, ever angrier base for the movement whose essence is, in any case, never literal geography, never simply a set of villages or bunkers or military supplies to be taken and destroyed.

Degrading Behavior

Someday someone will take up the grim study of the cleansing language of air power. Every air war, it seems, now has its new words meant to take the sting out of its essential barbarism. In the case of the Israeli air assault on Lebanon, the term -- old in the military world but never before so widely adopted in such a commonplace way -- is "degrading," not as at Abu Ghraib, but as in "to impair in physical structure or function." It was once a technical military term; in this round of air war, however, it is being used to cover a range of sins.

Try Googling the term. It turns out to be almost literally everywhere. It can be found in just about any article on Israel's air war, used in this fashion: "CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports that around the world the U.S.' opposition to a cease-fire is viewed as the U.S. giving Israel a ‘green-light' to degrade the military capability of Hezbollah." Or in a lead in a New York Times piece this way: "The outlines of an American-Israeli consensus began to emerge Tuesday in which Israel would continue to bombard Lebanon for about another week to degrade Hezbollah's capabilities, officials of the two countries said." Or more generally, as in a Washington Post piece, in this fashion: "In the administration's view, the new conflict is not just a crisis to be managed. It is also an opportunity to seriously degrade a big threat in the region, just as Bush believes he is doing in Iraq." Or as Henry A. Crumpton, the State Department's coordinator for counterterrorism, wielded it: "It's not just about the missiles and launchers… [I]t's about the roads and transport, the ability to command and control. All that is being degraded. But it's going to take a long time. I don't believe this is going to be over in the next couple of days." Or as an Israeli general at a Washington think tank told the Washington Times: "Israel has taken it upon itself to degrade Hezbollah's military capabilities." Sometimes degradation of this sort can be quantified: "A senior Israeli official said Friday that the attacks to date had degraded Hezbollah's military strength by roughly half, but that the campaign could go on for two more weeks or longer." More often, it's a useful term exactly because it's wonderfully vague, quite resistant to quantification, the very opposite of "precision" in its ambiguity, and capable of taking some of the sting out of what is actually happening. It turns the barbarity of air war into something close to a natural process -- of, perhaps, erosion, of wearing down over time.

As air wars go, the one in Lebanon may seem strikingly directed against the civilian infrastructure and against society; in that, however, it is historically anything but unique. It might even be said that war from the air, since first launched in Europe's colonies early in the last century, has always been essentially directed against civilians. As in World War II, air power -- no matter its stated targets -- almost invariably turns out to be worst for civilians and, in the end, to be aimed at society itself. In that way, its damage is anything but "collateral," never truly "surgical," and never in its overall effect "precise." Even when it doesn't start that way, the frustration of not working as planned, of not breaking the "will," invariably leads, as with the Israelis, to ever wider, ever fiercer versions of the same, which, if allowed to proceed to their logical conclusion, will bring down not society's will, but society itself.

For the Lebanese prime minister what Israel has been doing to his country may be "barbaric destruction"; but, in our world, air power has long been robbed of its barbarism (suicide air missions excepted). For us, air war involves dumb hits by smart bombs, collateral damage, and surgery that may do in the patient, but it's not barbaric. For that you need to personally cut off a head.


[Note on Other Websites: For keeping me up-to-date on the present crisis in the Middle East, I would especially like to thank (and recommend to readers): Juan Cole's Informed Comment website (his recent essays there have been inspired); Antiwar.com, which provides an incredible range of Middle Eastern coverage that no one could collect on his or her own; the War in Context whose editor has an especially good eye for the telling article (and a sharp tongue for the absurdities of our moment); and Truthout and Common Dreams on which I rely regularly for so many things.]

Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and the author of The End of Victory Culture, a history of American triumphalism in the Cold War. His novel, The Last Days of Publishing, is now out in paperback.
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