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9/10/2005  2:07 PM
My God! How naive are you guys? Yeah it was all the idiot's idea! This whole global conquering thing. Do you really think that is true. Do you really believe we are in IRAQ because Georgie said so?!!?!? How naive! This whole thing is part of the AMERICAN agenda. I wont spell it out for you but hopreully you can understand why it is we have an interest there. It starts with O and ends with L! Yes, you guys think you understand that but you think it is to line the pockets of Bush/Cheney/Haliburton. and Yes, while that is a nice side effect for them,it has really MUCH more to do with GLOBAL SUPERPOWER STATUS AND CONTROL! The country that countrols the oil will be the power. It is simple as that. We need the bases in the Middle East to preserve our way of life. If you cannot accept that in your liberal guilt minded head then you act as you do. If you can than you do so and move on. China is a thirsty, waking giant. They are thirsty for OIL and one of the main reasons the price of GAS has skyrocketed. Their thirst has made the demand high and supply lower! I f the US hsa a base in IRAQ, which we do now, we can still control the future of OIL, the lifeblood of out economy. This whole thing has been planned for years. BuSH is just the guy they needed to execute it! Do you really think GORE would have been able to? Would Kerry have been able to?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

So the war on Iraq is a good thing?

If it is true the reason for the war is not terrorism etc., does that not make Bush into a liar, plain and simple?
As for the reason for the war, the whole world was in on it. Clinton said the same things Bush did, 3-5 years earlier about IRAQ and WMD, look it up! This has been germinating for years!

Whatever anyone has said about Iraq, what really matters is who has sent our troops there and on what pretense.
This whole LEFT v Right thing is just a diversion for us to follow while the real work is done by both parties right under our noses!

Now this is the truth for sure. I recommend that everyone take a re-read at 1984 by Orwell and also take a look at "Indespensible Enemies" by Walter Karp, a book that points out how the 2 major american parties divide and conquer the American public ensuring that they (Both) stay in power.
But did bush lie or was he given bad information?

He lied. This is his Daddy's war. One of the first, if not the first thing G.W. Bush did as president, was order bombs dropped on Iraq. Also he "arranged" for the bad information to present to the American public.

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I think it would be amusing if it weren't so sad, that somehow this guy Bush ran on "Homeland Security" in the past election. Didn't the biggest breach of American security occur on his watch? Then Katrina comes along. This time there was a warning. Bush and the offices he personally staffed fail miserably. (Yes, the city and local government could have done much better as well.)

Is there anything this president can hang his hat on? Has he done anything consequential that benefits this country?

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He lied. This is his Daddy's war. One of the first, if not the first
thing G.W. Bush did as president, was order bombs dropped on Iraq. Also he "arranged" for the bad information to present to the American public.

what proof can you show that he arranged for the bad information. That is such a reach, sounds like far left wing flame throwing..... do you have any proof of this? and if you are going to post a link at least let it be someone who does not hate bush and have a political agenda.

[Edited by - tkf on 09-10-2005 3:26 PM]
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http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

Is lying about the reason for a war an impeachable offense?


By John W. Dean
FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Friday, June 6, 2003 Posted: 5:17 PM EDT (2117 GMT)

(FindLaw) -- President George W. Bush has got a very serious problem. Before asking Congress for a joint resolution authorizing the use of U.S. military forces in Iraq, he made a number of unequivocal statements about the reason the United States needed to pursue the most radical actions any nation can undertake -- acts of war against another nation.


Now it is clear that many of his statements appear to be false. In the past, Bush's White House has been very good at sweeping ugly issues like this under the carpet, and out of sight. But it is not clear that they will be able to make the question of what happened to Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) go away -- unless, perhaps, they start another war.


That seems unlikely. Until the questions surrounding the Iraqi war are answered, Congress and the public may strongly resist more of President Bush's warmaking.


Presidential statements, particularly on matters of national security, are held to an expectation of the highest standard of truthfulness. A president cannot stretch, twist or distort facts and get away with it. President Lyndon Johnson's distortions of the truth about Vietnam forced him to stand down from reelection. President Richard Nixon's false statements about Watergate forced his resignation.


Frankly, I hope the WMDs are found, for it will end the matter. Clearly, the story of the missing WMDs is far from over. And it is too early, of course, to draw conclusions. But it is not too early to explore the relevant issues.


President Bush's statements on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction


Readers may not recall exactly what President Bush said about weapons of mass destruction; I certainly didn't. Thus, I have compiled these statements below. In reviewing them, I saw that he had, indeed, been as explicit and declarative as I had recalled.


Bush's statements, in chronological order, were:


"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."


United Nations address, September 12, 2002


"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons."


"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."


Radio address, October 5, 2002


"The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons."


"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."


"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States."


"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his "nuclear mujahideen" -- his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."


Cincinnati, Ohio speech, October 7, 2002


"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."


State of the Union Address, January 28, 2003


"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."


Address to the nation, March 17, 2003


Should the president get the benefit of the doubt?


When these statements were made, Bush's let-me-mince-no-words posture was convincing to many Americans. Yet much of the rest of the world, and many other Americans, doubted them.


As Bush's veracity was being debated at the United Nations, it was also being debated on campuses -- including those where I happened to be lecturing at the time.


On several occasions, students asked me the following question: Should they believe the president of the United States? My answer was that they should give the President the benefit of the doubt, for several reasons deriving from the usual procedures that have operated in every modern White House and that, I assumed, had to be operating in the Bush White House, too.


First, I assured the students that these statements had all been carefully considered and crafted. Presidential statements are the result of a process, not a moment's though. White House speechwriters process raw information, and their statements are passed on to senior aides who have both substantive knowledge and political insights. And this all occurs before the statement ever reaches the President for his own review and possible revision.


Second, I explained that -- at least in every White House and administration with which I was familiar, from Truman to Clinton -- statements with national security implications were the most carefully considered of all. The White House is aware that, in making these statements, the president is speaking not only to the nation, but also to the world.


Third, I pointed out to the students, these statements are typically corrected rapidly if they are later found to be false. And in this case, far from backpedaling from the President's more extreme claims, Bush's press secretary, Ari Fleischer had actually, at times, been even more emphatic than the President had. For example, on January 9, 2003, Fleischer stated, during his press briefing, "We know for a fact that there are weapons there."


In addition, others in the Bush administration were similarly quick to back the President up, in some cases with even more unequivocal statements. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly claimed that Saddam had WMDs -- and even went so far as to claim he knew "where they are; they're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad."


Finally, I explained to the students that the political risk was so great that, to me, it was inconceivable that Bush would make these statements if he didn't have damn solid intelligence to back him up. Presidents do not stick their necks out only to have them chopped off by political opponents on an issue as important as this, and if there was any doubt, I suggested, Bush's political advisers would be telling him to hedge. Rather than stating a matter as fact, he would be say: "I have been advised," or "Our intelligence reports strongly suggest," or some such similar hedge. But Bush had not done so.


So what are we now to conclude if Bush's statements are found, indeed, to be as grossly inaccurate as they currently appear to have been?


After all, no weapons of mass destruction have been found, and given Bush's statements, they should not have been very hard to find -- for they existed in large quantities, "thousands of tons" of chemical weapons alone. Moreover, according to the statements, telltale facilities, groups of scientists who could testify, and production equipment also existed.


So where is all that? And how can we reconcile the White House's unequivocal statements with the fact that they may not exist?


There are two main possibilities. One, that something is seriously wrong within the Bush White House's national security operations. That seems difficult to believe. The other is that the president has deliberately misled the nation, and the world.


A desperate search for WMDs has so far yielded little, if any, fruit


Even before formally declaring war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the president had dispatched American military special forces into Iraq to search for weapons of mass destruction, which he knew would provide the primary justification for Operation Freedom. None were found.


Throughout Operation Freedom's penetration of Iraq and drive toward Baghdad, the search for WMDs continued. None were found.


As the coalition forces gained control of Iraqi cities and countryside, special search teams were dispatched to look for WMDs. None were found.


During the past two and a half months, according to reliable news reports, military patrols have visited over 300 suspected WMD sites throughout Iraq. None of the prohibited weapons were found there.


British and American press reaction to the missing WMDs


British Prime Minister Tony Blair is also under serious attack in England, which he dragged into the war unwillingly, based on the missing WMDs. In Britain, the missing WMDs are being treated as scandalous; so far, the reaction in the U.S. has been milder.


New York Times columnist, Paul Krugman, has taken Bush sharply to task, asserting that it is "long past time for this administration to be held accountable." "The public was told that Saddam posed an imminent threat," Krugman argued. "If that claim was fraudulent," he continued, "the selling of the war is arguably the worst scandal in American political history -- worse than Watergate, worse than Iran-contra." But most media outlets have reserved judgment as the search for WMDs in Iraq continues.


Still, signs do not look good. Last week, the Pentagon announced it was shifting its search from looking for WMD sites, to looking for people who can provide leads as to where the missing WMDs might be.


Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security John Bolton, while offering no new evidence, assured Congress that WMDs would indeed be found. And he advised that a new unit called the Iraq Survey Group, composed of some 1400 experts and technicians from around the world, is being deployed to assist in the searching.


But, as Time magazine reported, the leads are running out. According to Time, the Marine general in charge explained that "[w]e've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad," and remarked flatly, "They're simply not there."


Perhaps most troubling, the president has failed to provide any explanation of how he could have made his very specific statements, yet now be unable to back them up with supporting evidence. Was there an Iraqi informant thought to be reliable, who turned out not to be? Were satellite photos innocently, if negligently misinterpreted? Or was his evidence not as solid as he led the world to believe?


The absence of any explanation for the gap between the statements and reality only increases the sense that the President's misstatements may actually have been intentional lies.


Investigating The Iraqi War intelligence reports


Even now, while the jury is still out as to whether intentional misconduct occurred, the President has a serious credibility problem. Newsweek magazine posed the key questions: "If America has entered a new age of pre-emption —when it must strike first because it cannot afford to find out later if terrorists possess nuclear or biological weapons—exact intelligence is critical. How will the United States take out a mad despot or a nuclear bomb hidden in a cave if the CIA can't say for sure where they are? And how will Bush be able to maintain support at home and abroad?"


In an apparent attempt to bolster the President's credibility, and his own, Secretary Rumsfeld himself has now called for a Defense Department investigation into what went wrong with the pre-war intelligence. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd finds this effort about on par with O.J.'s looking for his wife's killer. But there may be a difference: Unless the members of Administration can find someone else to blame -- informants, surveillance technology, lower-level personnel, you name it -- they may not escape fault themselves.


Congressional committees are also looking into the pre-war intelligence collection and evaluation. Senator John Warner, R-Virginia, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said his committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee would jointly investigate the situation. And the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence plans an investigation.


These investigations are certainly appropriate, for there is potent evidence of either a colossal intelligence failure or misconduct -- and either would be a serious problem. When the best case scenario seems to be mere incompetence, investigations certainly need to be made.


Sen. Bob Graham -- a former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee -- told CNN's Aaron Brown, that while he still hopes they finds WMDs or at least evidence thereof, he has also contemplated three other possible alternative scenarios:


One is that [the WMDs] were spirited out of Iraq, which maybe is the worst of all possibilities, because now the very thing that we were trying to avoid, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, could be in the hands of dozens of groups. Second, that we had bad intelligence. Or third, that the intelligence was satisfactory but that it was manipulated, so as just to present to the American people and to the world those things that made the case for the necessity of war against Iraq.


Sen. Graham seems to believe there is a serious chance that it is the final scenario that reflects reality. Indeed, Graham told CNN "there's been a pattern of manipulation by this administration."


Graham has good reason to complain. According to the New York Times, he was one of the few members of the Senate who saw the national intelligence estimate that was the basis for Bush's decisions. After reviewing it, Graham requested that the Bush administration declassify the information before the Senate voted on the administration's resolution requesting use of the military in Iraq.


But rather than do so, CIA Director Tenet merely sent Graham a letter discussing the findings. Graham then complained that Tenet's letter only addressed "findings that supported the administration's position on Iraq," and ignored information that raised questions about intelligence. In short, Graham suggested that the Administration, by cherrypicking only evidence to its own liking, had manipulated the information to support its conclusion.


Recent statements by one of the high-level officials privy to the decision making process that lead to the Iraqi war also strongly suggest manipulation, if not misuse of the intelligence agencies. Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, during an interview with Sam Tannenhaus of Vanity Fair magazine, said: "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason." More recently, Wolfowitz added what most have believed all along, that the reason we went after Iraq is that "[t]he country swims on a sea of oil."


Worse than Watergate? A potential huge scandal if WMDs are still missing


Krugman is right to suggest a possible comparison to Watergate. In the three decades since Watergate, this is the first potential scandal I have seen that could make Watergate pale by comparison. If the Bush Administration intentionally manipulated or misrepresented intelligence to get Congress to authorize, and the public to support, military action to take control of Iraq, then that would be a monstrous misdeed.


This administration may be due for a scandal. While Bush narrowly escaped being dragged into Enron, which was not, in any event, his doing. But the war in Iraq is all Bush's doing, and it is appropriate that he be held accountable.


To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose."


It's important to recall that when Richard Nixon resigned, he was about to be impeached by the House of Representatives for misusing the CIA and FBI. After Watergate, all presidents are on notice that manipulating or misusing any agency of the executive branch improperly is a serious abuse of presidential power.


Nixon claimed that his misuses of the federal agencies for his political purposes were in the interest of national security. The same kind of thinking might lead a President to manipulate and misuse national security agencies or their intelligence to create a phony reason to lead the nation into a politically desirable war. Let us hope that is not the case.





John Dean, a FindLaw columnist, is a former counsel to the president of the United States.
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9/10/2005  3:52 PM
Well Colin Powell was said to be totally against the whole WMD thing. Next thing you know he was sent to the UN in that totally idiotic and embarrassing display of misinformation. He was trying to convince them something that he himself didn't even whole heartedly believe.
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9/10/2005  4:11 PM
what proof can you show that he arranged for the bad information. That is such a reach, sounds like far left wing flame throwing..... do you have any proof of this? and if you are going to post a link at least let it be someone who does not hate bush and have a political agenda.

1) Maybe if someone else asks. No offense TKF, but in our previous discussion I "did all the work" offering as much proof as I could to back up my statements. When I asked you to do the same you refused.

2) If you are looking for a left-winger, you got the wrong man. I commit to no wing because I prefer objectivity. I am not a Republican or Democrat, or any other category you may try to come up with.

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[Edited by - oohah on 09-10-2005 4:13 PM]
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9/10/2005  4:13 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Well Colin Powell was said to be totally against the whole WMD thing. Next thing you know he was sent to the UN in that totally idiotic and embarrassing display of misinformation. He was trying to convince them something that he himself didn't even whole heartedly believe.

You know I always dug Colin Powell and i felt he never should have accepted the position of Secretary of State in Bush's corrupt administration to begin with. I feel badly that he got burned in that asinine address to the UN but I also feel that the man decided to lie down with dogs so he had to expect waking up with fleas.
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Posted by Marv:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Well Colin Powell was said to be totally against the whole WMD thing. Next thing you know he was sent to the UN in that totally idiotic and embarrassing display of misinformation. He was trying to convince them something that he himself didn't even whole heartedly believe.

You know I always dug Colin Powell and i felt he never should have accepted the position of Secretary of State in Bush's corrupt administration to begin with. I feel badly that he got burned in that asinine address to the UN but I also feel that the man decided to lie down with dogs so he had to expect waking up with fleas.

Exactly

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9/10/2005  4:47 PM
Posted by tkf:

He lied. This is his Daddy's war. One of the first, if not the first
thing G.W. Bush did as president, was order bombs dropped on Iraq. Also he "arranged" for the bad information to present to the American public.

what proof can you show that he arranged for the bad information. That is such a reach, sounds like far left wing flame throwing..... do you have any proof of this? and if you are going to post a link at least let it be someone who does not hate bush and have a political agenda.

[Edited by - tkf on 09-10-2005 3:26 PM]

Rebut my post above.
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Posted by GoNyGoNyGo:

My God! How naive are you guys? Yeah it was all the idiot's idea! This whole global conquering thing. Do you really think that is true. Do you really believe we are in IRAQ because Georgie said so?!!?!? How naive! This whole thing is part of the AMERICAN agenda. I wont spell it out for you but hopreully you can understand why it is we have an interest there. It starts with O and ends with L! Yes, you guys think you understand that but you think it is to line the pockets of Bush/Cheney/Haliburton. and Yes, while that is a nice side effect for them,it has really MUCH more to do with GLOBAL SUPERPOWER STATUS AND CONTROL! The country that countrols the oil will be the power. It is simple as that. We need the bases in the Middle East to preserve our way of life. If you cannot accept that in your liberal guilt minded head then you act as you do. If you can than you do so and move on. China is a thirsty, waking giant. They are thirsty for OIL and one of the main reasons the price of GAS has skyrocketed. Their thirst has made the demand high and supply lower! I f the US hsa a base in IRAQ, which we do now, we can still control the future of OIL, the lifeblood of out economy. This whole thing has been planned for years. BuSH is just the guy they needed to execute it! Do you really think GORE would have been able to? Would Kerry have been able to?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

As for the reason for the war, the whole world was in on it. Clinton said the same things Bush did, 3-5 years earlier about IRAQ and WMD, look it up! This has been germinating for years!

This whole LEFT v Right thing is just a diversion for us to follow while the real work is done by both parties right under our noses!
I actually agree 100% with your explanation of the reasons behind the war. It is for super power status, point blank, period. Oil is the lifeblood of every industrial economy, you need it for everything, and if you control it, you are a superpower above and beyond everyone.

However, all this, its to protect our way of life **** is nonsense to me. Our way of life is just a byproduct of their imperialist agenda. The ruling class doesn't give 2 ****s about black, white or blue people. they care about wealth and power, and continued dominance.the war in Iraq has been on the burner since the Clinton days, when I was in college in 1998 or 97, proffessors from all over the world signed a petition to try and stop Clinton from invading Iraq!! Thats how much people knew it was coming. There is a ruling class that sets the agenda and the president just carries it out. Things would be slightly different here or there with a different president, but the agenda never changes in essence.

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9/11/2005  12:25 AM
At the Sony HD 500 in Fontana, CA a NASCAR dad was asked what he thinks of George Bush:

He was asked, "So you vote Republican?" "Yep," he replied. "Always?" "Pretty much." "So you like Bush?" "Before or after the hurricane?"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-burditt10sep10,0,3141457.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
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9/11/2005  10:37 AM
on the surface this makes gw look real bad. from a different perspective, could this have happen on giuliani and pataki's watch?
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Posted by Rich:

[quote]Posted by fishmike:

thats a good article. I do disagree with the war in Iraq impacting the NG and their ability to mobilize. I dont know the #s to be honest, but I will keep going back to my orginal point about my 2 friends in the NG and hurricane Floyd. 12 hours after it hit their units (NJ) were flown to Fla for security. They stayed as part of a massive labor force for 4 weeks. Now they are in Iraq, along with their unit's vehicles.

There is no doubt that local gov failed first and foremost. There arent very man Rudy G's and we were lucky to have him after 9/11 happened (so was Bush for that matter). That being the Fed gov is the ultimate authority and I cant imagine how they and FEMA werent more involved from the get go for a disaster of this magnitude.

I'm not looking to blame Bush for this. That doesnt make any sense. It is however an example of how bad this administration is IMO.

If the entire of city of New York would have been destroyed, Rudy wouldn't have come out of 9/11 looking very good either.



We didnt know 9-11 was coming for 4-5 days before the fact. not a comparable situation. the emergency work was MUCH better in NY than in the south, especially because we had NO knowledge of what was happening--the scope of the problem in the south makes 9-11 look like a firecracker, but we could have still had been working on the leevees, had military transport in place and more people out--we couldve controlled the flooding--there is no doubt in my mind--wind and storm damage--ineveitable--there was going to be problems no matter what--but the ineefeciency of this government down to the grassroots level caused a probme that was perhaps 10,000 times worse that what it couldve been.

the realistic chance that a terrorist attack could=this damage is 0. Only a superpower could equal it.

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During a live news conference a passerby expresses his thanks for the quick action the Bush administration took to help the hurricane victims.

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BRIGGS, here's your 1st "firing":

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/12/katrina.impact/index.html

FEMA director Brown resigns

Monday, September 12, 2005; Posted: 3:12 p.m. EDT (19:12 GMT)

Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Mike Brown, under fire over his qualifications and what critics call a bungled response to Hurricane Katrina, resigned Monday, senior administration sources told CNN.

Brown was recalled Friday to Washington and replaced as the point main for Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff named Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad Allen to head Katrina relief efforts.

A senior administration official said Friday that President Bush approved Chertoff's decision.

Brown's reassignment came amid questions raised in Time magazine about whether his resume was padded to overstate his experience in emergency management. A FEMA official quoted in the report said Brown believes the article is inaccurate.

In New Orleans on Monday, Bush toured the flooded streets, his first up-close visit of the storm-wracked city.

Bush -- whose response to the storm has been criticized along with that of other federal, state and local officials -- rode in a military truck through neighborhoods plagued by stench, mud and high water.

The president's four-truck convoy also traveled through areas clear of water. (Watch video on Bush's return to the coast -- 1:37)

Some homes along Bush's route were marked "0 D 0 A," meaning searchers had found no people inside dead or alive.

A reporter asked Bush about criticism that a racial component was behind the government's slow response to the people left without help after Katrina hit.

"The storm didn't discriminate, and neither will the recovery effort," Bush said. "When those Coast Guard choppers -- many of whom were first on the scene -- were pulling people off roofs, they didn't check the color of a person's skin, they wanted to save lives.

"I can assure people ... that this recovery is going to be comprehensive. The rescue efforts were comprehensive, and the recovery will be comprehensive."

Bush also rejected suggestions that the nation's military was stretched too thin with the Iraq war to deal with the hurricane devastation.

"We've got plenty of troops to do both," the president said.

"It is preposterous to claim that the engagement in Iraq meant there weren't enough troops here, just pure and simple."

Allen briefed Bush aboard the USS Iwo Jima command center, docked on the Mississippi River.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathy Blanco -- who've been critical of the federal response after the storm -- also met with Bush, as did Lt. Gen. Russel Honore -- the top U.S. military leader in the recovery.

Officials said they believe thousands of residents have ignored mandatory evacuation orders despite the fetid floodwaters in many neighborhoods. (Watch video on clearing the city-size cauldron of debris, sewage and mud -- 1:39)

The death toll in New Orleans from the storm remains unknown, but Honore said it may be lower than the mayor's earlier estimate of 10,000.

Bush also is expected to travel Monday to Gulfport, Mississippi, one of the state's hardest hit cities. Katrina slammed ashore the Louisiana coast east of New Orleans on August 29 with 140-mph winds and a 20-foot storm surge. ( Watch the video of Mississippi's ravaged 'war zone' -- 2:03)

The visit is the president's third to the region since the disaster. It occurs as a new poll shows Bush's job approval rating dipping below 40 percent for the first time. (Full story)

EPA: Floodwaters contain lead
Final tests show that floodwater in New Orleans contains high levels of lead and E. coli bacteria, the Environmental Protection Agency said Monday.

The agency issued an advisory last week about the water based on initial test results, EPA press secretary Eryn Witcher said. The samples were taken from six locations in the city on September 3.

The latest EPA advisory warned against direct contact or ingesting the water.

"Also, people can become ill if they have an open cut, wound or abrasion that comes into contact with water contaminated with certain organisms," the agency said. "One may experience fever, redness and swelling at the site of the infection and should see a doctor right away if possible."

Witcher said the level of lead would cause "concern if a child ingests large amounts of the floodwater."

CNN's John King and Suzanne Malveaux contributed to this report.

Rich
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9/12/2005  3:43 PM
The buck stops with the president. If he had any integrity, Bush would resign.
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9/12/2005  4:39 PM
The buck stops with Mother Nature, if she had any integrity she would resign. Who put Her in charge, God? He needs to go as well.
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9/12/2005  4:55 PM
Our "founding fathers" owned slaves, if they had any integrity they should have resigned. Just considering how the Indians were treated our whole country should have resigned or should resign.
"He only went to Georgia Tech for one year, and that's an engineering school." -LB
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9/12/2005  7:20 PM
From the guy who tried to argue that Brownie's resume was impressive. Evidently, even Bush didn't think so.

Your posts have become ridiculous.
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Posted by Rich:

From the guy who tried to argue that Brownie's resume was impressive. Evidently, even Bush didn't think so.

Your posts have become ridiculous.


I dare you to find where I said he had an impressive resume. I pointed out that he has done more in his life than cheer for Arabian horses. Nice attempt at spin though.
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9/12/2005  7:23 PM
actually the hard copy is much better, nevertheless anyone that figures the blame is somewhere else must read this:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=23065
"Like they always say, New York is the Mecca of basketball,"I read that in Michael Jordan books my whole life and I played here in the Big East tournament, so it's always fun to play in the Mecca of basketball."---Rip Hamilton
OT--USA military shouldve helped get the people out of nO BEFORE the fact

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