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Solace
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by joec32033:
Solace although I agree that the comparison angle can be misleading, I totally believe the opposite about Boozer. Typical role players don't average double double's (or close to it), no matter what team they are on. Boozer looks like he is an above average starting PF in this league, which is more than Sweetney will become. I mean people are talking about Sweets averaging 17 and 10 if he loses weight, Boozer is 2 inches taller (1 and 1/2) and averages that now AND we don't have to worry about his conditioning.
True about Sweetney, but I didn't compare him to Sweetney. Boozer's height advantage over Sweetney is not 1 1/2", because Boozer is actually shorter than 6'9". I think Boozer will probably be better than Sweetney, because of Sweetney's weight issue. As for your comments, I disagree. When a team has no other scoring options, role players will score 18 ppg. Just look at Stephen Jackson when he was on the Hawks, Al Harrington last year on the Hawks, etc... there's tons of examples you can find of average players putting up great numbers on teams that lose A TON of games. You have to figure it this way... if the guy is SOOOO good, the team would win a few more games! Boozer is overrated. Regardless, in my opinion, he doesn't do anything more than a guy like Nazr Mohammed.
Quite frankly, if Carlos "no defense" Boozer was as good as you guys are saying, the Jazz should win 50 games next year, because Kirilinko is sick... an absolute monster. I bet the Jazz do no better than .500 (they were a .500 team before Boozer and Okur signed), because their frontcourt actually got worse by picking up Boozer and Okur. It's sad, but their frontcourt was more reliable (on the defensive end) with no names. Maybe some of you will watch a few Jazz games and see that I'm right. You don't have to admit it to me, I don't care... but you should admit it to yourself so the Boozer wet dreams can stop. Seriously. 
[Edited by - Solace on 06/24/2005 07:04:16]
I think our difference ilies in our definition of role player. To me a role player is Robert Horry, Bruce Bowen, Lindsey Hunter, Wesley Person. They have a role, they do basically one thing well and that is how they get by. I would compare Boozer to a player exactly like Steven Jackson when it comes to his role.
To me Steven Jackson is a solid #2 or #3 option. He still averages 17 points playing second fiddle to JO and Artest. I am not suggesting Boozer is a cornerstone because he isn't, and the Jazz had him pegged wrong when they thought he was. I want him here as a complimentary player, and that is what he is best at. Andrei is a defensive beast but he still only averages about 17 a game as his team's leading scorer. I also think the fact that the Jazz also whiffed on Okur hurt Boozer too. Andrei is alot like Pippen, he can't carry a team, and I think Boozer is the same way. In all honesty, once this Q trade goes through, I think we have alot more overall talent than Utah does. to me it looks like Zeke is truly building this team in the mold of the Pistons, with aot of very good players but no real true cornerstones.
We do not want Boozer in the same capacity that Utah thought he was. We have a team that he can maximize his skills because he seems to be ALOT more comfortable in a third type of supporting role. No he isn't an All-Star, but he is much more than a role player.
[Edited by - joec32033 on 06/24/2005 11:21:43]
That's fine. I don't think that's unreasonable. What's unreasonable is the other posters who are talking about Boozer as a 20/10 guy (which he's never been in his career) and saying how great he is. Comparisons to Elton Brand? When I see that I really don't think many people have seen him play. But yes, Joe, I agree with you. Boozer is a good player and solid #3 or #4 option. He's a starter, but he's a role player starter. IMHO, he's a poor man's Oakley, with less defensive prowess, but a little bit more scoring ability. That's not a bad thing. My biggest complaint about Boozer is how he's idolized, when we know the guy has terrible morals and is just another undersized power forward who puts up decent numbers. He's a decent NBA starter, but if anyone thinks a Boozer addition turns this team around, they need a reality check. The Knicks team will not be turned around until the size issue is solved with some quality size. Boozer is not size, since 6'8"-6'9" PFs are a dime a dozen. But, still, yes, he's an improvement over any PF we have... but that's not saying very much. I'd much rather go after a taller PF or at least one of Boozer's size who isn't as overpaid as Boozer. Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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6/24/2005 1:59 PM