If the Knicks take Frye instead of Bynum, why not blame Bynum for that? "Always the Knicks making bad decisions". Well, at least they had a workout with him arranged, and he shut down that. If he had had the workout and had impressed Isiah, Im sure he would take him because he knows how to evaluate talent. But Bynum shutting down the workout like if he was such a sure thing may just have killed his chances of being picked at 8th. So if we don't pick him, and Isiah picks the best center he finds, being that Frye, who can blame him? Bynum should have done that workout...

Posted by Knicksfan:

If the Knicks take Frye instead of Bynum, why not blame Bynum for that? "Always the Knicks making bad decisions". Well, at least they had a workout with him arranged, and he shut down that. If he had had the workout and had impressed Isiah, Im sure he would take him because he knows how to evaluate talent. But Bynum shutting down the workout like if he was such a sure thing may just have killed his chances of being picked at 8th. So if we don't pick him, and Isiah picks the best center he finds, being that Frye, who can blame him?

Plenty of people can still find a reason to blame him. Isiah should have arranged the workout with Bynum several years ago. Isiah shouldn't have let it get this far with another team!

NBA draft.net doesn't even has him on the draft, like if they expected him to pull out...

Posted by Knicksfan:

This whole Bynum thing is getting so crazy here...

[Edited by - KnicksFan on 06/20/2005 23:45:14]

The bad part about this, the Knicks, AGAIN, do not do enough due dilligence and let them pass it by. Isiah Thomas couldnt take an hour of huis time for a 5 minute drive from MSG to watch Bynum's workout when he was in shape and now the Knicks team has been burned by a *SMARTER* team who has done the homework. While Isiah has fixated on one player, he dropped the ball. He fixates on players, I remember how he fixated on KVH, trying to pull him out of college by guarnteeing him pick 2. I know what Bynum is, and I was listening to Ryan Blake call him a taller version of Eddie Curry who will be able to rebound and block shots at a greater frequency. The teams that have been interested in Andrew the most Atlanta, Portland, LA are teams that have fantastic people running the show. My opinion is he is going to LA or Portland. It makes much more sense to say LA, but the story is they were blown away in his Portland workout. You cant watch the MCD game and say this is the kid. It isnt, its a 30 pound lighter, healthy version who is in the process of rapid progression's both in skills and physical nature. UC Insider had his heights which were also listed on his website at 7 3/4 in bare feet 7-2 in shoes 282 pounds measured a 33 inch standing vertical with a 7-6 wingspan.
Listen, we didnt do enough homeork here and we were burned on the workout session. Obviously someone didnt want Andrew working out for pick 7-8. And while he did have open workouts for any NBA team, he only worked out in private for Memphis, Atlanta, LA, Portland and New Orleans.

So while memphis is pick 19, the others are teams who have been trying to move down in the draft some--sans Atlanta, but hold lottery positions.

My guess is he goes pick 5 to Portland after a trade and secondary is pick 10 to lA.

Ah, we shall see if Bynum really jumped up into the top 5, or top 10 for that matter.

I voted for Frye but it was a difficult decision. I'm also heavily interested in the potential of Bynum.

Ultimately I don't like the chances that he pulls a Kwame/Diop/even Curry-lite performance for the next 3 years, then starts to show promise in his 4th extended year, then starts courting ridiculous offers after that (I know the new CBA could change that process, but you know what I’m saying). I don't see him as the killer in HS and apparently most others don’t either or he'd be consensus #1. Anything could happen with him and I'd still love to get him, but I’d go with Frye over him at 8.

I think Frye has the potential to be a Gasol or Rasheed-like player.

Tough call.

I also think we’re going to be very pleasantly surprised at 30.

And what’s with Vasquez’ resurgence in the mocks?

We need to take the best player with the best upside regardless of position. In the long run, it seems to work out best that way.

Key phrase: Long Run!

"Isiah Hating" is no different than hating on any other GM we have had here, or the rangers, or our baseball teams in down years. Jets and Giants getted ripped to shreads in losing years. With how many daily papers and interenet access, there is lots of love when its going good, and hate when its down! "WE" (knick fans-ticket holders-owner) are an impatient bunch!

So beating on Isiah, should be no different than beating on anyone else not getting the job done. While Some think Isiah is planting the seets for the future, we might be suspect to see them mature as its not the knick way.

Posted by Nalod:

I am shocked at the amount of support for Bynum!

Is this cuz he gains momentum on these pages?

Yes. When you have a poster with a million people hanging from his jock strap and he continuously posts Bynum thread after Bynum thread, each one making an even grander assumption than the last, you succumb to it. BRIGGS has fought a war of attrition against all of the Bynum naysayers. I have even been insulted for disagreeing with him and the apple of his eye. Keep in mind that I like Bynum, I have just tried to keep the discussion within realistic boundaries.

Having said all of that, I think we should take a chance on him, but we would definitely have to get another first round pick. I would like him or Petro but I would prefer a wing player at #8 and I am leaning heavily rtowards Granger.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by Nalod:

I am shocked at the amount of support for Bynum!

Is this cuz he gains momentum on these pages?

Yes. When you have a poster with a million people hanging from his jock strap and he continuously posts Bynum thread after Bynum thread, each one making an even grander assumption than the last, you succumb to it.

I wonder who's hanging from Briggs' jockstrap? A few people here come to mind!

Bynum is going first overall to the Bucks! Count on it!

Don't worry, we will! But he won't be as good as Bynum, dammit!

edsonline - This is bullsh!t! We should have forced the Bucks to trade us Bynum, dammit!