Posted by fishmike:

its his job to work hard and get ready to play. He did that last year and broke down. Obviously if he cant go this year its his last.

The guy was a hell of a scorer for a long time. When we had a good team he was an integral part of that and hit as many big/clutch shots as anyone. When our froncourt went from LJ/Camby/Ewing to Harrington/KT/Spoon he became just another good scorer in the NBA.

He was never a franchise caliber player and expecting him to be so because his boss opted to pay him like one is pretty faulty thinking.

He was damn good, and just as important and good as Spree, LJ, Camby or anyone not named Ewing to play on the Knicks in the last 15 years

I totally agree, there was not a better player on our roster in the last 20 years besides Pat Ewing.

Posted by teslawlo:

Posted by Bobby:

Posted by teslawlo:

Posted by Bobby:

funny how the om-line edition omitted the most important part of allan's comments as printed in the newsstand copy I don't really worry about that [as being a top shooter]-its not a concern of mine, he said. i just thank God that i've had the time off and that He's allowed me to be able to come back

ah!
forget everything I just said

i'm not refuting any comment you've made...all I'm saying is allan credits God in allowing him to come back

I know, but the part you added indicates he's just thankful he's back and really isn't concerned with how effective he will be.
btw, congrats on your 1000th post.

thanks......allan coming back may cause a limited role depending on how many minutes should be distributed between crawford and himself. Allan's true worth should be his vet leadership and hopefully some kind of mentoring role in helping crawford develop to the player zeke holds in high esteem. otherwise allan's competitive nature should somehow make the necessary adjustments in becoming somewhat the effective player he use to be. only time will tell.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Killa4luv:

there was not a better player on our roster in the last 20 years besides Pat Ewing.

Stephon Marbury

Damn! And i love Steph too, but I was loving Allan before Steph got here and totally got caught up. Plus I was just watching that 99 finals game we won where he had 34 or 36!! But yeah, that would definitely have to go to Steph, no question about it.

Allan himself is not a disgrace by any means, but you're right that he should not be the best player on any team. He should be what Rip Hamilton is. The 2nd or 3rd best player or so, who can frequently be used as the go to scorer. This of course, was when he was healthy. I think the Knicks themselves though had 2 chances to win the NBA championship. That was in '99, but Ewing wasn't healthy, so there was no way they'd beat the Spurs w/o him. Also in 1997. We could have beaten the Bulls that year. I even remember we were only 1 of 2 teams that year that beat them on their home court. But that damn brawl ruined everything. Both of those years, Allan was in the mix, as opposed to being relied as the very best player. His role was perfect. But as the Knicks got smaller and smaller, the Knicks depended on Allan even more, and he faced the doubles more and more, and he had less and less people to kick it out to. That's your Knicks for you.

Posted by fishmike:

its his job to work hard and get ready to play. He did that last year and broke down. Obviously if he cant go this year its his last.

The guy was a hell of a scorer for a long time. When we had a good team he was an integral part of that and hit as many big/clutch shots as anyone. When our froncourt went from LJ/Camby/Ewing to Harrington/KT/Spoon he became just another good scorer in the NBA.

He was never a franchise caliber player and expecting him to be so because his boss opted to pay him like one is pretty faulty thinking.

He was damn good, and just as important and good as Spree, LJ, Camby or anyone not named Ewing to play on the Knicks in the last 15 years

Fish, maybe I missing some games but isn't the 99 1st round the only big shot he ever made as a Knick. He has more key turnovers in crunch time. I will check his stats but I don't think he ever score more than 21 ppg a season as a Knick. You think he would score more with no Ewing or LJ but he didn't. In 1997 playoffs against Miami, after his and Ewing's suspension, he had a horrible game. I remember Ewing went for 40 and 20 and Houston was just horrible. I am not killing Houston so much because I never thought he was the franchise replacement to Ewing. I can't remember 1998 playoffs that well but I do remember him having a hard time against the Bulls. I think his best playoff series in his career actually was not even in a Knicks uniform. His 96 Pistons series was great, he couldn't miss. He used to kill the Knicks though.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Killa4luv:

there was not a better player on our roster in the last 20 years besides Pat Ewing.

Stephon Marbury

He has yet to do anything Houston hasnt done. They have about the same win total as the "featured" players here. What.. 32 and 37 wins? I would even say that Marbury had a much better cast then Houston's teams a couple years ago. Add to it the fact that Houston was a very good if not great playoff performer. Marbury didnt have one outstanding game in 4 chances against the Nets.

Dude, there is no denying that Marbury is a better overall player. But overall, Allan Houston HAS accomplished a little bit more, particularly in the playoffs. And lets not get into that "But Marbury has worse teams" b/c it's really old.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Killa4luv:

there was not a better player on our roster in the last 20 years besides Pat Ewing.

Stephon Marbury

He has yet to do anything Houston hasnt done. They have about the same win total as the "featured" players here. What.. 32 and 37 wins? I would even say that Marbury had a much better cast then Houston's teams a couple years ago. Add to it the fact that Houston was a very good if not great playoff performer. Marbury didnt have one outstanding game in 4 chances against the Nets.

Fish, Spree, Camby were still on that roster in 2002 and they get swept by the Raptors. Also, i thought it was not just about making it to the playoffs. I said I don't remember having a dominating playoff series at all as a Knick. I mean Camby dominated that Pacer series in 99. Houston had a so so playoff series against Miami, if it wasn't for that shot, he could have been a goat. Houston never took over any playoff series that I can remember. I remember Sprewell against the Pacers in 1999 having a good series against Rose. Starks was better than him in 98. If I am wrong, I am sorry. I just clearly remember game 7 after the suspensions as him going up with nothing. As far as against the Nets, didn't their game plan was to just double and triple on Marbury and let the other Knicks beat them.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by Killa4luv:

there was not a better player on our roster in the last 20 years besides Pat Ewing.

Stephon Marbury

He has yet to do anything Houston hasnt done. They have about the same win total as the "featured" players here. What.. 32 and 37 wins? I would even say that Marbury had a much better cast then Houston's teams a couple years ago. Add to it the fact that Houston was a very good if not great playoff performer. Marbury didnt have one outstanding game in 4 chances against the Nets.

Fish, Spree, Camby were still on that roster in 2002 and they get swept by the Raptors. Also, i thought it was not just about making it to the playoffs. I said I don't remember having a dominating playoff series at all as a Knick. I mean Camby dominated that Pacer series in 99. Houston had a so so playoff series against Miami, if it wasn't for that shot, he could have been a goat. Houston never took over any playoff series that I can remember. I remember Sprewell against the Pacers in 1999 having a good series against Rose. Starks was better than him in 98. If I am wrong, I am sorry. I just clearly remember game 7 after the suspensions as him going up with nothing. As far as against the Nets, didn't their game plan was to just double and triple on Marbury and let the other Knicks beat them.

I'd agree on all points above.

Dude, there is no denying that Marbury is a better overall player. But overall, Allan Houston HAS accomplished a little bit more, particularly in the playoffs. And lets not get into that "But Marbury has worse teams" b/c it's really old.

I'd agree that by age 34 Houston's accomplished a lot more than Marbury has. But you cannot just ignore the teammates they've had. It's pretty obvious that Houston's had a better supporting cast than Marbury ever had.