Posted by JUNKMEIN:

It's all very Fruedian with Briggs as far as Frye is concerned

Bottom Line, Briggs wants Bynum at Eight......right Briggs


In fact so do I. C'mon Isiah, bring the kid through the tunnel.

Posted by Marv:

Pretty nice post, except . . . if you're going to be such a stickler about your statistics you should make sure you report them accurately: e.g., he had 5 or fewer rebounds in 12 games this year, not 14:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4971

Also, there's a bigger point here - do you want any of those other guys at 8 you've listed in youir post to compare him to? Do you want to take Charlie V, Chris Taft, Sean May, Wayne Simien, Hakim, Gomes, Diougu, Dwayne Jones, Branden Bass? At 8? I don't. I'd drather have Fryre. He's a better prospect at that slot IMO, especially for a team with 0 centers. Every player has flaws and you can point out all the numbers you want to support that. You could do that with each of the players you've mentioned, or you could do it with any player being considered for the lottery.

Now Granger he may be another story. He may be worth the #8 over Frye even for such a SEVERELY deficient team at center as ours because of his real star protential. That's a possibility, i haven't put that one to bed yet.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

It's all very Fruedian with Briggs as far as Frye is concerned

Bottom Line, Briggs wants Bynum at Eight......right Briggs


In fact so do I. C'mon Isiah, bring the kid through the tunnel.

If they don't feel he is ready, I respect that. But atleast consider other options and if at the endof the day Frye makes most sense, grab him.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

It's all very Fruedian with Briggs as far as Frye is concerned

Bottom Line, Briggs wants Bynum at Eight......right Briggs


In fact so do I. C'mon Isiah, bring the kid through the tunnel.

If they don't feel he is ready, I respect that. But atleast consider other options and if at the endof the day Frye makes most sense, grab him.

Briggs, I would agree 100%, and here is the thing...I don't know why we would pick Fry when at 30 or possibly 54 we can grab a big man who is not too much worse than Frye. Frye shot up the board because of his tournament and because he seems to be able to gain muscle mass while brushing his teeth. I looked up some of the other wings in this draft and I wouldn't mind drafting a Antoine Wright over a Joey Graham instead of Frye (even though I still like Graham more), but I think that there are alot of talented comparable bigs available later on.

I couldnt disagree more. Frye is the last talented big, all of the rest of them are raw. There is Bogut, Frye and then the rest of the bigs who all have very unpolished skills. There are probably adozen bigs who fit into that mold, but none of them are skilled/talented as you put it. They are all aty least 1 year away from starting for a NBA team, whereas many of these wings can start and have an impact next year.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

It's all very Fruedian with Briggs as far as Frye is concerned

Bottom Line, Briggs wants Bynum at Eight......right Briggs


In fact so do I. C'mon Isiah, bring the kid through the tunnel.

If they don't feel he is ready, I respect that. But atleast consider other options and if at the endof the day Frye makes most sense, grab him.

Briggs, I would agree 100%, and here is the thing...I don't know why we would pick Fry when at 30 or possibly 54 we can grab a big man who is not too much worse than Frye. Frye shot up the board because of his tournament and because he seems to be able to gain muscle mass while brushing his teeth. I looked up some of the other wings in this draft and I wouldn't mind drafting a Antoine Wright over a Joey Graham instead of Frye (even though I still like Graham more), but I think that there are alot of talented comparable bigs available later on.

I couldnt disagree more. Frye is the last talented big, all of the rest of them are raw. There is Bogut, Frye and then the rest of the bigs who all have very unpolished skills. There are probably adozen bigs who fit into that mold, but none of them are skilled/talented as you put it. They are all aty least 1 year away from starting for a NBA team, whereas many of these wings can start and have an impact next year.

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by joec32033:
If he was so great why was he considered a fringe first rounder before the tourney? I don't buy into the fact that these guys who have a good tourney are any better than guys who don't. Other than the Tourney look at the reason that caused his stock to rise....Gaining an enormous amount of muscle in a very small amount of time, sorry, I figure you can bunch Frye in with Taft, Bynum, Turiaf, Simien...I don't think he is a franchise center, he may be servicable at best. He gets all these comparisons to Camby but remember, Camby flat out Dominated college. I remember it was Camby vs Duncan that whole college season. Frye hasn't dominated anything.

I meantioned that and those are great points. Yes Frye is skilled, yes he has good size, yes he had a good tourney...

But you cant escape the fact that your using your lottery pick on a guy that never dominated his competiton in 4 years. Not to mention in a weak conference for bigmen.

Frye never had one great season where you said wow. Heck.. Curtis had *that*

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=4971
http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=BORCHCU01

Posted by Killa4luv:

I never said he was sooo good. But the same remark could be made about Bynum who is projected by many as a first round bubble player.

Frye is skilled and polished, he can come in and contribute immediately. He has one offensive skill down packed and that is his mid range jumper. Garbage points are automatic for anyone at his height. The rest of the bigs have size or athleticism but dont have anything established offensively, thats my point. Frye is talented and developed to the extent that he could come in and play big minutes, and I dont see that for any other big in the draft.

Taft, Petro, Bynum, are all raw. They are not good shooters and they don't have good post up games. They would come in, grab rebounds and score off of putbacks. Frye is a good shooter who doesn't have a good post up game, which makes him a better NBA player right now than all of the rest of those guys; speaking strictly from an offensive standpoint.

Taft would be next on the list, as he has demostrated some touch to about 7-8 feet, and then Bynum and Petro are more or less equal, except Bynum is bigger and younger, and because of that has a greater upside.

[Edited by - Killa4luv on 06/20/2005 01:19:49]

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Olajuwan was finesse.