I am with you. Marbury would bring back something interesting, we could move Craw to the point and see what happens with our draft picks and expiring contracts. Crawford and Marbury starting together was a bad match from the start.

How about a trade that is a little more even....

TT and Sweets

for

Boozer, Collins (Expiring deal), Humphries (expiring deal) and the 34 pick

Pick 8 -Graham
Pick 30-Francisco Garcia or Bynum or Hodge
Pick 34-Bynum or McCants
Pick 54-Schenscher

Use the MLE on Hunter
Use the LLE on Ariza

Hunter/Schenscher/Bynum
Boozer/KT/Butler
Ariza/Garcia
Graham/McCants
Stephon/Crawford





[Edited by - joec32033 on 06/15/2005 20:42:12]

is boozer better than any of our lethal weapon 5? YES.

but when are we going to finally develop our own guys?
when are we going to build this team from within?
when will we EVER have the upperhand in any trade scenarios?

no more big money deals...like jim belushi said in "the principal"...NO MORE!!!

sweets - KEEP HIM.

i don't care if all he turns out to be is supersub for 20 mins - KEEP HIM. that's an important role. you all know what's going to happen if we trade him...

Posted by Vmart:

Thats a deal I would make without thinking about it. Crawford really sucks we all know it but we like to think orange and blue makes even a chucking fool a great player. Lets not get carried away with our talent level because its not talent that will get us to .500. I refuse to get happy about anyone on the Knicks until they show me some victories and get the F over 500.

Great; let's do dumb trades and get over the cap even more because we're not over .500 yet!!!
Does anyone realize that Okur is extremely overrated and signed to a HUGE contract, and the same goes for boozer! We are looking for the prototypical lineup that includes a back to the basket dominant player. And for those who still can't see it, boozer is not a dominant PF. He puts up decent numbers because of his intensity and easy putback/dunk points. Booz's value is at its lowest right now and we're trading for him with a huge contract attached to him. Jarron collins is a scrub that an nba team should be embarassed to have on its roster (sundov-like quality). You guys all go ahead and bash crawford but I saw a player who tried to change his game, which hinted to me that he is maturing into a better player. If you think that his 7-8 million is unreasonable, I guess you guys are forgetting boozer's 6 year, 68 million commitment and okur's 6 year, 50 million contract. We are trading away players simply for the sake of doing so. If we take on more money, I wan to tke on athletic, young, and tall players. Okay boozer is 6'9'' so what? Is that what we're satisfied with now? The new generation of dominant PF's is closer to 6'11'' - see KG, TD, rasheed, dirk, etc.
This is the reason why NY is considered as the salary dump place for bad contracts - because as fans we actually consider these types of contracts. And don't even start about penny - he's off the books soon enough and probably has more worth as an expiring contract than the negative aspect as a broken-down veteran right now.

Posted by Vmart:

What difference does it make to you if the Knicks are 103 million in payroll or 120 million any way you look at it they are still over the cap. You guys make a big deal about cap and everything but reality of KNicks says they have no intention of being under the cap.

yes, we are over the cap and were going to be until 07. now, that's been pushed to '08 under isiah. this trade pushes that back even further.

we've already PROVEN that you can't win with this complete disregard of the cap and constantly bringing in average players at above average prices.

we have to change our philosophy.

that's the difference. so instead of being STUCK with mo, h20, tim, or penny UNTIL they expire, we could make moves NOW to improve.

Posted by Vmart:

Yes it has been pushed back to 08 and Isiah will push it back even furture you guys give Isiah to much credit for nothing. He is every bit the same as Layden. And please don't say Layden didn't do anything in the draft. All he did was bring in Lampe, F Williams, Slavko and Sweetney. So he did try to get young through the draft too.

dude, i agree with you 100%. isiah has not shown that he cares one bit about the cap and i dislike him for that.

slavko? i don't think that name should ever be brought up in this board again

Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Posted by Vmart:

Yes it has been pushed back to 08 and Isiah will push it back even furture you guys give Isiah to much credit for nothing. He is every bit the same as Layden. And please don't say Layden didn't do anything in the draft. All he did was bring in Lampe, F Williams, Slavko and Sweetney. So he did try to get young through the draft too.

Layden distributed the worst contract in sports history. No one on the face of the earth can be compared to him.

Yes he did do that at the request of the owner. But Isiah has also done his share of damage by getting some of the worst contracts in Basketball if you recall some of the worst contracts in Basketball had Pewnny and TT name on it. Then he goes and gets Rose and Mo Taylor's contract how good are these contracts as compared to Layden's contract I tell you what they aren't that far off.

[Edited by - Vmart on 06/15/2005 23:46:43]

Posted by Nalod:


"the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round the wheels on the bus go round and round, All DAY LONG>>>>>>"

Dolan Transport?

I would do this deal in a heart beat...Boozer and Okur for Kurt/Penny or TT/and Sweetney??? That is a hell of a deal. Both teams would benefit from such a move....

Ask yourself this question, who in their right mind would want to play in Utah??????

If you are wondering why Okur and Boozer's production have declined,,,,that is the reason.

There aint no doubt about it,,,,you have to do this deal, because it would automatically upgrade our roster considerably, especially if we can draft a young big like Frye or Bynum...Okur is a pretty good player, he just needs a PG like Marburry to create for him...and Boozer is a leader, he would definitely help turn Marburry's bad fortune into something far superior..

This is an emotional argument, DJ. You don't just keep a player because you drafted him and you want to improve using only this route. You get better anyway you can, and if that means trading him for a 2nd or 3rd year guard or some other position, fine. If sweets is gonna be a supr sub and teams are convinced he'll be more tha that, you cash in on that and ship his fat a.ss out.

I like Sweets, I like Ariza, but I don't have an emotional attachment to either. They are question marks at this point in their careers and Sweets also has a weight problem. If you can trade a question mark for a known quantity that can help you improve now, you have to consider it.



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Why do I want this [fantasy] trade to happen?

Boozer - He is better than any PF we have right now. He is an Old School PF in the mold of Charles Oakley that can actually finish. He can be our Ben Wallace.

Okur - I see him as a rich man's Doleac. He would be a perfect fit for Marbury's pick and roll ways.

Jaron Collins - Contract filler

27th pick - We can use this pick to get one of the following ... Hodge, Gelabele, Blatche, Fransisco Garcia

I did not want to include KT in this package because I still think that Houston(JVG) will be calling and would trade Spoon and the 24th pick for KT. AND/OR
TT, Mo Taylor, 54th pick to Memphis for Jason Williams, Lorenzen Wright, Bonzi Wells and the 19th pick. I think West would do this for CAP relief next year would actually have 2 players that would compliment Gasol. It has been a well documented rumor that West might be willing to sell his 19th pick.

We would have 5 picks in the 1st round if all this happens
8, 19, 24, 27, 30

I will then pick the following...basketball gods willing...
8-Danny Granger
19-Andrew Bynum
24-Andray Blatche
27-Julius Hodge
30-Fransisco Garcia

NYK Roster
C-Okur, Bynum, Blatche
PF-Boozer, JYD, Rose
SF-Granger, Garcia
SG-Ariza, Hodge
PG-Marbury, Jason Williams

IR List - Butler, Houston, Collins

CUT-Spoon

Imagine Okur and Boozer controlling the defensive boards with Granger and Ariza filling the lanes with Marbury feeding them. Yup. I can live with that.