Posted by nyk4ever:


Great post Briggs. There shouldn't be any doubt about Bynum's potential, its as high or higher then anyone in this draft and it's for good reason. When your a 7'1 285 pound beast at age 17 and have shown that there are skills, albeit raw, but still solid skills then scouts are going to drool over you. I dont blame Calhoun for wanting Bynum back, why the heck wouldn't he, he's going to make UConn the undeniable favorite for 2 years with Rudy Gay and Josh Boone. My first choice at 8 is Green, my second is Bynum and my third is Granger. Are the Knicks going to get any of them? I think the best chance is for Bynum as long as he stays in the dradft but if Isiah passes up on Bynum for Channing Frye then I will be an extremely pissed off Knicks fan because Frye will NEVER and I mean NEVER be anything more then a 14/8 player in this league and thats IF he becomes a starter somewhere.

Frye is the "safe" pick in most people's estimation but he's anything but safe to me, his bodytype, his offensive skills and his sometime showing up and sometime disappearing demeanor make him extremely risky to me. Give me Danny Granger or Byum ANY DAY over Frye.

Posted by crzymdups:

I agree Rain, and to me Frye shed the passive label when he stepped up in big games, particularly the tournie. Also, when they played the top 5 ranked Washington Huskies this year, Frye stepped up and scored 30pts. When he played Bogut, he stepped up.

To say he's like Brian Cook isn't remotely fair. That's like me saying Bynum reminds me of Diop just because their measurements are similar. But A) Cook and Frye do not have the same measurements, Frye is taller with a much longer standing reach, B) Cook played outside in college, was never the rebounder or shotblocker that Frye is (cook blocked 13 shots his senoir year, Frye blocked 70.), C) Frye has a post game and shot 56% from the field his senior year, Cook has an outside only game and shot 46% from the field his senior year. They're different players.

Are there guys I want more than Frye? Yes, Granger, maybe Graham, but other than that, looking at the guys in our range...gimme Frye. Now, if you're saying the Knicks have no shot at a championship for at least six years, I agree. If you think you have no chance at a championship with this core, do you say F it and grab Bynum, knowing there is a 1 in 100 chance he develops into a franchise player and aim to build aroud him? It'd be ballsy, and I doubt Isiah would stick around to see Bynum start a game. I agree there is a reward, but the series of events that would have to occur to make Bynum a star depend mostly on his work ethic, which I know nothing about. If Isiah sits down with the kid and feels he's driven (i.e. the exact opposite of Mike Olowokandi), then, fine, draft him.

But right now, Isiah feels that way about Frye, and honestly, Frye is a big upgrade from Nazr. And when Nazr was healthy, this team was 16-13. I can live with a slightly better record than that and continued development from Ariza and Crawford and a solid pick at 30.

Posted by simrud:

If Frye is the next Jason Stiffins then picking him at 8 is terrible.

Collins has been gettin worse every year you know. All he is, is a diry no athletic ability, no game goon.



Frye is a much better skill player than Jason Collins[who i dont like] but atleast Collins has a natural 5 body which allows him to be a banger. This is where it gets tricky picking a small C, because on the D end he is going to make guys like Jason Collins look a whole lot better than they really are. When 7-0 260 and 6-10 235 collide, there is going to be some giving. Ill give it to Frye, he sure made the best of the last 10 games of the season. before those last 10 games, he was sitting at pick 25. he goes on to shoot 75% in the last 8-9, gets lucky with James Augstine hurt and was able to abuse Roger Powell[all of 6-6 230] and Jack Ingram at will in the NCAA, he made his money. Its very much like the rise of John Wallace and Dontae Jones, although Channing will go higher because he is a true C?

Well as any Knick fan, Im going to pull for Channing to hopefully play at upisde, but if he fails, my response would be terminating a lot of personell. Frye better be able to go from day 1 as a 4 year CBB guy and pick 8, no excuses.