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Masterplan
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6/15/2005  3:38 PM
um, a thought from the extra thread that just got locked. marcus campbell? haven't heard any buzz around him. is he a pick 54 candidate? bigger than pops or deng but less athletic/mobile? any reason to keep an eye on this dude?
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6/15/2005  3:49 PM
My thoughts from the other thread....

Akindele needs elevator shoes to be 7'
Bogut is a legit 7'
Ike Diogu has Malik Rose dimensions
Frye is not a 7'
Simien and Taft are almost the same height
Charlie Villanueva wearing his flip-flops during measurements
Marcus Campbell is one big dude! He has a 9'6" standing reach.
Martynas Andriuskevicius needs to seriously hit the buffet line

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6/15/2005  3:52 PM
Marcus Campbell is one big dude! He has a 9'6" standing reach.

so who is this guy? his stats are not impressive. is he worth a look at 54?
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6/15/2005  4:01 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Marcus Campbell is one big dude! He has a 9'6" standing reach.

so who is this guy? his stats are not impressive. is he worth a look at 54?

This is from DraftCity.com
Marcus Campbell, Mississippi State 8 pts, 4 reb, 4 blk
Jonathan Watters

While it’s hard to seriously consider Marcus Campbell an NBA prospect, one couldn’t notice how he affected the game tonight against Stanford. Campbell is inconsistent, mentally weak, a poor athlete, and very behind skill-wise, but he might just be the largest player in the tourney. His presence was an immediate boost in the MSU defensive attack, and one of the main reasons the Bulldogs were able to fight back after falling behind early. Matt Haryasz is no slouch defender in the post, and he had no answer Campbell when he got the ball on the blocks. He will need a serious attitude adjustment and a patient trainer with a lot of time on his hands, but I could see Marcus Campbell catching on with a team as a 12th man, space filler type at some point in the future.


Scary looking dude!
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6/15/2005  4:03 PM
Hey! We can add him the the list of projects for Aguirre the post miracle worker.
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6/15/2005  4:10 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Campbell is inconsistent, mentally weak, a poor athlete, and very behind skill-wise.

Dude!!

Welcome to the New York Knicks!!

You're gonna feel right at home!!!
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6/15/2005  4:35 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by NYKBocker:

Campbell is inconsistent, mentally weak, a poor athlete, and very behind skill-wise.

Dude!!

Welcome to the New York Knicks!!

You're gonna feel right at home!!!

Yeah! The only thing is he is over 6'9". He breaks the mold.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 06/15/2005 16:35:33]
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6/15/2005  4:39 PM
you guys remember felton spencer? anyone? ha
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6/16/2005  9:27 AM
This guy will be our Ales Chan for this year. A summer invite.
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6/16/2005  9:32 AM
It's unbelievable. How many of you guys, like me, have spent your entire lives saying to yourselves, "Oh man, if I were 7-feet tall I would absolutely CLEAN UP on a basketball court?" I mean what is it with all these 7-foot stiffs? Do most people just lose coordination if they're that tall?
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6/16/2005  10:41 AM
I always say to myself that if I was 6'9" I would be the next Magic Johnson. I like Bird better but my shot was to inconsistent.
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6/16/2005  10:47 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by s3231:

Frye, Channing 6' 9½" 6' 10½

That is scary
Why? All players are measured with shoes on.

a few of these players have some really elevating shoes; that have 'em grow a full two inches when on.

[Edited by - pizza on 06/16/2005 10:49:22]
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6/16/2005  10:54 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

[quote]Posted by s3231:

Frye, Channing 6' 9½" 6' 10½

That is scary
Why? All players are measured with shoes on. He's basically between 6'10" and 6'11"; he definitely has the height and length to be an NBA center. If he can stay in the mid 240s, he'd have enough strength to be a C too


The bottom line with Frye, he can look like a great player, a really great player and then dissapear for long stretches. Hes got a great skill level, but so does Tim Thomas and they both seem to have the same problem. I would think long and hard about a guy who doesnt seem to bring it every night and has question marks concerning his base strength, weight, intensity, and toughness, because when it comes down to it, you can be a great great player with a great skill level with size and athletic ability like Tim, but if you are not tough, you dont play hard all the time, and people can push you around, that great skill level gets lost. Tim Thomas is a GREAT skill player with tremendous size, but why does he sck?
A. he does NOT bring it every night
B Questionable intensity
C He does tend to shy from contact

so these guys have to think long and hard about what they want out of this draft. I understand that they may not want to wait 2-3 years for aplayer, that wont go in NY, thats just the bottom line, but Id like to get the best player available who plays both ways and has a mean streak/toughness about him.
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6/16/2005  11:36 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

[quote]Posted by s3231:

Frye, Channing 6' 9½" 6' 10½

That is scary
Why? All players are measured with shoes on. He's basically between 6'10" and 6'11"; he definitely has the height and length to be an NBA center. If he can stay in the mid 240s, he'd have enough strength to be a C too


The bottom line with Frye, he can look like a great player, a really great player and then dissapear for long stretches. Hes got a great skill level, but so does Tim Thomas and they both seem to have the same problem. I would think long and hard about a guy who doesnt seem to bring it every night and has question marks concerning his base strength, weight, intensity, and toughness, because when it comes down to it, you can be a great great player with a great skill level with size and athletic ability like Tim, but if you are not tough, you dont play hard all the time, and people can push you around, that great skill level gets lost. Tim Thomas is a GREAT skill player with tremendous size, but why does he sck?
A. he does NOT bring it every night
B Questionable intensity
C He does tend to shy from contact

so these guys have to think long and hard about what they want out of this draft. I understand that they may not want to wait 2-3 years for aplayer, that wont go in NY, thats just the bottom line, but Id like to get the best player available who plays both ways and has a mean streak/toughness about him.

That's a good post. Outside of Bogut, where are we going to find that in a center this year? And you just know someone's going to end up delivering that whom we don't expect it from. Will it be Frye? Bynum? Petro? Even Taft? We can't tell - it's gonna have to be a best guess situation. To me it's still a loss to go for a smaller player when none are proven either and we are in such dire need of a big. Couild I be wrong on the star potential of one of them, say Webster, Graham, Green, Wright, Warrik, whomever? Yes I definitely could be but I still remain unconvinced.
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6/16/2005  11:43 AM
Posted by pizza:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by s3231:

Frye, Channing 6' 9½" 6' 10½

That is scary
Why? All players are measured with shoes on.

a few of these players have some really elevating shoes; that have 'em grow a full two inches when on.

[Edited by - pizza on 06/16/2005 10:49:22]
What does that have to do with Channing? His shoes added one inch, which is about average if not less than average. Most players have shoes adding between 1 and 1.5 inches, which means Channing legitimately be listed anywhere between 6'10.5" and 6'11"

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 06/16/2005 11:44:14]
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6/16/2005  11:53 AM
You know, one thing is for sure, things have a funny way of working themselves out...Perhaps by the time we have to pick, we will only be left with Frye as the best player on the board...If Isiah can acquire another pick, which is very very possible, than he can consider adding a guy like Petro with the #19 pick and a SF/PF like Turiaf and perhaps a PG...

That's a good post. Outside of Bogut, where are we going to find that in a center this year? And you just know someone's going to end up delivering that whom we don't expect it from. Will it be Frye? Bynum? Petro? Even Taft? We can't tell - it's gonna have to be a best guess situation. To me it's still a loss to go for a smaller player when none are proven either and we are in such dire need of a big. Couild I be wrong on the star potential of one of them, say Webster, Graham, Green, Wright, Warrik, whomever? Yes I definitely could be but I still remain unconvinced.
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6/16/2005  12:13 PM
I wouldn't put Frye in the Tim Thomas class. I truly believe TT doesn't give a rat's ass about anything as long as the check comes every two weeks. I do agree with the shies awy from contact part re: Frye. Somebody on this board made a comparison to Raef LaFrenz. Great comparison. 6'10" highly skilled, pretty good athlete, intelligent.......BUT having a propensity to shy away from contact negates a lot of those positive attributes.
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6/16/2005  12:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

The bottom line with Frye, he can look like a great player, a really great player and then dissapear for long stretches. Hes got a great skill level, but so does Tim Thomas and they both seem to have the same problem. I would think long and hard about a guy who doesnt seem to bring it every night and has question marks concerning his base strength, weight, intensity, and toughness, because when it comes down to it, you can be a great great player with a great skill level with size and athletic ability like Tim, but if you are not tough, you dont play hard all the time, and people can push you around, that great skill level gets lost. Tim Thomas is a GREAT skill player with tremendous size, but why does he sck?
A. he does NOT bring it every night
B Questionable intensity
C He does tend to shy from contact

so these guys have to think long and hard about what they want out of this draft. I understand that they may not want to wait 2-3 years for aplayer, that wont go in NY, thats just the bottom line, but Id like to get the best player available who plays both ways and has a mean streak/toughness about him.

If Frye has such questionable intensity, then why is Zeke so impressed with his intensity and focus? I mean, those two things don't add up to me. Frankly, I trust Zeke's opinion, he's had the chance to meet the person and see him play in person. I think that's very important.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/16/2005 12:18:04]
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6/16/2005  12:28 PM
I don't think Frye lacks intensity, focus or even consistency.

I think the major critique of his game is that he's a finesse player that lacks the power & inclination to be a physical presence.
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6/16/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by purple012870:

I don't think Frye lacks intensity, focus or even consistency.

I think the major critique of his game is that he's a finesse player that lacks the power & inclination to be a physical presence.

maybe the inclination part, but doesn't shotblocking count towards that? As for power, he benched pressed more reps than everyone in Chicago but three guys. I just posted those results in another thread.
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