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6/13/2005  12:54 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Heck, on the D 7-1 275 wingspan 7-6 and still growing, he could be a force by just being out there-who can move him?




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[Edited by - crzymdups on 06/13/2005 00:57:22]
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6/13/2005  12:58 AM
Jim Calhoun thinks Bynum is further along then Ok4 was when he was Bynum's age. Thats gotta say something coming from the coach from the best program in college basketball
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6/13/2005  12:59 AM
“Andrew is the best pure high
school center in the country
and has tremendous size, soft
hands and a nice scoring
touch. We expect him to be an
immediate inside physical
presence. He had a terrific
summer, gaining valuable
experience and confidence. He
is a young senior, having just
turned 17, and his potential is
limitless. Coach Mark Taylor
has been instrumental in his
development and has put
together a challenging
schedule for Andrew’s senior
year.”
-Jim Calhoun


Oh yeah, Uconn is ranked pre-season number 1 and has lottery and potential low 1s in Josh Boone[better than Channing Frye himself right now] and Hilton Armstrong in the post, yet JC makes it clear that Andrew is beuing put into an impact position immediately.
the same guy who said Bynum has more potential than Okafor and shoves lottery pick after lottery pick into the nBA!

Channing Frye stayed 4 years in college and the best he can do in the run and gun is 15+7?
i mean Channing frye was thought of as a high 2nd round draft pick 3 months ago!
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6/13/2005  1:00 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

“Andrew is the best pure high
school center in the country
and has tremendous size, soft
hands and a nice scoring
touch. We expect him to be an
immediate inside physical
presence. He had a terrific
summer, gaining valuable
experience and confidence. He
is a young senior, having just
turned 17, and his potential is
limitless. Coach Mark Taylor
has been instrumental in his
development and has put
together a challenging
schedule for Andrew’s senior
year.”
-Jim Calhoun


Oh yeah, Uconn is ranked pre-season number 1 and has lottery and potential low 1s in Josh Boone[better than Channing Frye himself right now] and Hilton Armstrong in the post, yet JC makes it clear that Andrew is beuing put into an impact position immediately.
the same guy who said Bynum has more potential than Okafor and shoves lottery pick after lottery pick into the nBA!

Channing Frye stayed 4 years in college and the best he can do in the run and gun is 15+7?
i mean Channing frye was thought of as a high 2nd round draft pick 3 months ago!

Briggs I'm with ya man. Say no to Channing!
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6/13/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Jim Calhoun thinks Bynum is further along then Ok4 was when he was Bynum's age. Thats gotta say something coming from the coach from the best program in college basketball

yes, but Calhoun teaches discipline. And without that discipline, is it really smart to throw a 17 yr old kid into the fire of New York city with the expectations of a lotto pick? If we could get him at 30 or even 19, sure, do it. But to make him our top pick and have the Berman/Mitch Lawrence questions coming from day one? To throw him in the NBA fire without a summer league? Without anyone from the Knicks being able to call him over the summer and probably into the fall? A kid who has already had knee injuries and weight problems? I don't care how tall he is - he has undeniable flags.

And, yes, Frye has flags, but he also has tangible skills and plays a polished brand of basketball. Here's Frye blocking Kirk Hinrich:

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6/13/2005  1:05 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
showing an impressive defensive position

http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper243/stills/we78fj4n.jpg

hahahahahahaha

keep in mind that Bynum is only 17 and his body still has a lot of maturing to do but he already is pretty massive

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 00:45:45]


By year 2, hes going to be able to take guys the size of Channing frye and push them right into the basket. Hll I want to see what he can do in year 1. Give him 10 minutes a game, clog up the lane and go to the basket. One of the best assets of bynum is big huge hands and is able to snatch everything. The ability to catch and finish--he can already do it, along with 2-3 nice post moves.
Heck, on the D 7-1 275 wingspan 7-6 and still growing, he could be a force by just being out there-who can move him?

Briggs, being that I have never seen this guy play, why is it that he's projected to low in the first round? If he is all that you say he is why is he not top 3? Maybe you can help me with that...or someone who has actually seen him play.
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6/13/2005  1:05 AM
Frye is polished but he's not good enough for #8. Why are you willing to pass up on Danny Granger for a player thats not as good as him? If you want a big then take Randolph Morris at 30, he will be there and theres absolutely no different in skill between him and Frye and Morris only played one year of college ball! You guys see a player listed at anything over 6'10 and immediately start drooling, Channing will never EVER live up to being picked 8 if he is, atleast with Danny Granger you are getting a Paul Pierce clone who plays much better defense and will be an All-Star candidate for years to come.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/13/2005 01:06:53]
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6/13/2005  1:09 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
showing an impressive defensive position

http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper243/stills/we78fj4n.jpg

hahahahahahaha

keep in mind that Bynum is only 17 and his body still has a lot of maturing to do but he already is pretty massive

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 00:45:45]


By year 2, hes going to be able to take guys the size of Channing frye and push them right into the basket. Hll I want to see what he can do in year 1. Give him 10 minutes a game, clog up the lane and go to the basket. One of the best assets of bynum is big huge hands and is able to snatch everything. The ability to catch and finish--he can already do it, along with 2-3 nice post moves.
Heck, on the D 7-1 275 wingspan 7-6 and still growing, he could be a force by just being out there-who can move him?

Briggs, being that I have never seen this guy play, why is it that he's projected to low in the first round? If he is all that you say he is why is he not top 3? Maybe you can help me with that...or someone who has actually seen him play.

good question.. why is that? Like I said before my guess is that no one was expecting him to come to the nba until about 1 month ago so maybe Scouts weren't paying much attention knowing that he was headed to Uconn. Either way like I said. Let him impress the hell out of Isiah when he finally works him out if he hasn't already and if Isiah projects that he can be a 18 & 10 Center with his size and skills he will take him in a heartbeat. If he sees him as more of a Haywood/Jerome James then he'll take one of the star wing players which he's in love with. Simple as that!
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6/13/2005  1:11 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Frye is polished but he's not good enough for #8. Why are you willing to pass up on Danny Granger for a player thats not as good as him? If you want a big then take Randolph Morris at 30, he will be there and theres absolutely no different in skill between him and Frye and Morris only played one year of college ball! You guys see a player listed at anything over 6'10 and immediately start drooling, Channing will never EVER live up to being picked 8 if he is, atleast with Danny Granger you are getting a Paul Pierce clone who plays much better defense and will be an All-Star candidate for years to come.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/13/2005 01:06:53]

Granger is a great shooter, but as for the rest of his game, I don't know. I haven't seen much but great shooting from him.

I've seen Frye and Morris play and I was far more impressed about Frye. I'm going on actually seeing Frye play quite a bit. I think he can be very good NBA starter. I'm not saying that because of his size, but I think quite a few people are basing their Bynum love based on HIS size.

If Frye is such a reach at 8, why has Golden State offered him a promise at 9? Why are the Lakers drooling over him at 10?

As for Briggs draft record, I seem to remember him touting Araujo (Toronto's 8 pick last summer) quite heavily. Based on his size. sometimes it takes more than size to make a player. Frye is a player. Asassinate his game all you want, apparently Isiah, Chris Mullin and the Lakers feel differently.
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6/13/2005  1:12 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by gunsnewing:

[quote] showing an impressive defensive position

http://mirrorimageorigin.collegepublisher.com/media/paper243/stills/we78fj4n.jpg

hahahahahahaha



Projected by who? Some 23 year old kid with a stock site?
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6/13/2005  1:14 AM
you're crazy Granger models his game after Scottie Pippen. He's as an all around player as it gets! I personally at the moment give the slight edge to Wright because I think a great athletic shooter like Wright will benefit our offense and SG position more than a guy who does a little of everything. We already have Ariza. But hey Granger can flat out score unlike Ariza so who knows! I'd put Webster 3rd behind those guys, followed by Graham.
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6/13/2005  1:17 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

you're crazy Granger models his game after Scottie Pippen. He's as an all around player as it gets! I personally at the moment give the slight edge to Wright because I think a great athletic shooter like Wright will benefit our offense and SG position more than a guy who does a little of everything. We already have Ariza. But hey Granger can flat out score unlike Ariza so who knows! I'd put Webster 3rd behind those guys, followed by Graham.

I like Graham a lot, but as for Granger...how many "next Scottie Pippens" have their been over the years when it comes to the draft and then when they take the court, they look a lot less Scottie Pippen?
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6/13/2005  1:17 AM
HS kids will never be projected correctly. Just look at last year--Josh Smith JR Smith 17+19? they are HIGH lottery talents, no doubt about it.

J Oneal 16
Amare 9
Rashard Lewis 33
Kobe 13

its hard for people to project
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6/13/2005  1:17 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Frye is polished but he's not good enough for #8. Why are you willing to pass up on Danny Granger for a player thats not as good as him? If you want a big then take Randolph Morris at 30, he will be there and theres absolutely no different in skill between him and Frye and Morris only played one year of college ball! You guys see a player listed at anything over 6'10 and immediately start drooling, Channing will never EVER live up to being picked 8 if he is, atleast with Danny Granger you are getting a Paul Pierce clone who plays much better defense and will be an All-Star candidate for years to come.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 06/13/2005 01:06:53]

Granger is a great shooter, but as for the rest of his game, I don't know. I haven't seen much but great shooting from him.

I've seen Frye and Morris play and I was far more impressed about Frye. I'm going on actually seeing Frye play quite a bit. I think he can be very good NBA starter. I'm not saying that because of his size, but I think quite a few people are basing their Bynum love based on HIS size.

If Frye is such a reach at 8, why has Golden State offered him a promise at 9? Why are the Lakers drooling over him at 10?

As for Briggs draft record, I seem to remember him touting Araujo (Toronto's 8 pick last summer) quite heavily. Based on his size. sometimes it takes more than size to make a player. Frye is a player. Asassinate his game all you want, apparently Isiah, Chris Mullin and the Lakers feel differently.

not only his size but what Calhoun and other scouts have said about him being an immediate inside physical
presence and skilled!

Frye on a team like the Lakers or Golden St would actually make sense not on the Knicks alongside Marbury, 39% 180LB Crawford,300LB Sweetney and SKurt Thomas

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 01:20:36]
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6/13/2005  1:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

HS kids will never be projected correctly. Just look at last year--Josh Smith JR Smith 17+19? they are HIGH lottery talents, no doubt about it.

J Oneal 16
Amare 9
Rashard Lewis 33
Kobe 13

its hard for people to project

you left out

Curry 4
Chandler 2
Bender 5
Griffin 7
Diop 8
Kwame 1
Miles 3
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6/13/2005  1:23 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

HS kids will never be projected correctly. Just look at last year--Josh Smith JR Smith 17+19? they are HIGH lottery talents, no doubt about it.

J Oneal 16
Amare 9
Rashard Lewis 33
Kobe 13

its hard for people to project

you left out

Curry 4
Chandler 2
Bender 5
Griffin 7
Diop 8
Kwame 1
Miles 3

only guy there with the Skills, size and wingspan of Bynum is Curry and he's lazy with a bad heart. Bynum right off the bat proved that he is not lazy by showing up to camp 30-40LBS lighter. The rest of those guys have very little post moves and are nothing more than 20mins per game shotblockers. But hey their teams drafted them because they were all 7ft!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 01:24:55]
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6/13/2005  1:25 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:


not only his size but what Calhoun and other scouts have said about him being an immediate inside physical
presence and skilled!

Frye on a team like the Lakers or Golden St would actually make sense not on the Knicks alongside Marbury, 39% 180LB Crawford,300LB Sweetney and SKurt Thomas

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 01:20:36]

Are we talking about style of play? I would think that a 250lb 6'11" center (Dalembert sized if you will), who can block shots, shoot, rebound and run the floor would fit well with our open court all-star point guard Marbury, combo guard in Crawford (and he's fine, get over it, he'll be a good player next season), all-wolrd athlete Ariza, athletic 4s like JYD and Rose who run the floor and not to mention the other young guy who's coming in with the 30th pick (Hodge/Rush/Nate).

Instead of an athletic big man like Dalembert and Frye, you want a big, slow, fat 300lb 7'1" center who may or may not know how to play basketball for ten minutes a night???!?!?!?!?!?

Look, Frye is ready to come in and start. He's no Loren Woods (3 back surgeries, fused spine), he's more like Dalembert with a jumper. Where are all the cats who coveted Dalembert? Instead you want a fat high schooler who will allow KT to CONTINUE to start at center?
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6/13/2005  1:27 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

HS kids will never be projected correctly. Just look at last year--Josh Smith JR Smith 17+19? they are HIGH lottery talents, no doubt about it.

J Oneal 16
Amare 9
Rashard Lewis 33
Kobe 13

its hard for people to project

you left out

Curry 4
Chandler 2
Bender 5
Griffin 7
Diop 8
Kwame 1
Miles 3

only guy there with the Skills, size and wingspan of Bynum is Curry and he's lazy with a bad heart. Bynum right off the bat proved that he is not lazy by showing up to camp 30-40LBS lighter

But why is it that everyone was trying to get 'Baby Shaq' back then and with Bynum not a whole lot of hype is surrounding him? I remember that year I was hoping against hope that some way or another we could wind up with Curry. I hadn't really seen him play but the way teams were salivating over him I felt that he must have been something special. I'm not getting that with Bynum....with the exception of this site. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why that is. It makes me somewhat hesitant about wanting him at 8. I dunno
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6/13/2005  1:28 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

HS kids will never be projected correctly. Just look at last year--Josh Smith JR Smith 17+19? they are HIGH lottery talents, no doubt about it.

J Oneal 16
Amare 9
Rashard Lewis 33
Kobe 13

its hard for people to project

you left out

Curry 4
Chandler 2
Bender 5
Griffin 7
Diop 8
Kwame 1
Miles 3

only guy there with the Skills, size and wingspan of Bynum is Curry and he's lazy with a bad heart. Bynum right off the bat proved that he is not lazy by showing up to camp 30-40LBS lighter. The rest of those guys have very little post moves and are nothing more than 20mins per game shotblockers. But hey their teams drafted them because they were all 7ft!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/13/2005 01:24:55]

huh? How do you know anything about whether Bynum is lazy or not? I would say that a kid who is that fat in high school sounds pretty lazy. So he took Trim Spa for three months and worked out? That PROVES he has the work ethic necessary to be an all-star? Please. How do you know how many post moves Bynum has and whether they are effective?
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6/13/2005  1:30 AM
with pick 8 we need someone who will improve the talent level of this horrendous team. We're not just an athletic Center away. We need someone who is going to go inside down the stretch in the 4th quarter and score so that Marbury and the Knicks don't have another 60 4th quarter collapses next season! If that bigman is not in this draft then we're going to have to look elsewhere and just draft the player with the highest ceiling. The next Mcgrady, Pierce, Artest, Kobe, Rashard etc
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