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6/11/2005  12:13 PM
Posted by martin:

anyone think this is a ploy to get something out of the Warriors?

how about #8, #30 for #9 and Mickael Pietrus?

Done.

Grab Bynum/Graham/Granger with the 9th.

Marbury/Craw
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6/11/2005  12:13 PM
It's gonna be Frye.. or Wright, Granger.. they will be working out for the Knicks, per post, after the draft. I'm getting a little scared about this pick... I don't question the athlete, I don't question the skill, like others I question the toughness.. will the body mass be enough?

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6/11/2005  12:31 PM
Frye seems solid in all areas and it's clear he could potentially fill the hole and start at center next season. I still think he can develop even more and has a relatively high ceiling because of his athleticism. I see a Camby type, with less athleticism but much more skill. I would consider Lorenzen Wright a poor mans Channing Frye i guess. I think we could see 15 pts, 8 rebs, and 2 blks within a couple years from him.
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6/11/2005  12:47 PM
Does anyone find it disappointing that his numbers didnt stayed exactly the same from junior to senior year? I'll guess thats the case for most college seniors but that also means this: its not that he has a low ceiling, he doesnt have a ceiling at all! What you see, is what you get - nothing more.
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6/11/2005  1:02 PM
Posted by jchi18:

Question...why would any team promise to draft a senior who has no other options other than the draft? It doesn't make any sense to me.

That's a good question. The only answer I can come up with is so that the player shuts down their workouts and doesn't visit any teams that pick before the team that made said promise. But I'm just guessing. Does anyone have a real answer to that question?
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6/11/2005  1:05 PM
can we get a duncan/wade type talent at 8 that isn't such a big risk of turning into a complete bust?

Would it be the worst thing if Frye could be a servicable center for us, cheap & not embarassing himself?

If Frye could start next year as the 5, wouldn't it help the play of the team to be able to have sweets/kt back at the 4?
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6/11/2005  1:51 PM
One thing needs to be addressed is that there is no way the KNicks should walk out of the draft without a center. If they do that I would have lost what ever little respect I have for the orange and blue. Frye, Bynum, Petro those are the guys and choose one at 8. At the 30 choose whatever type of player they want. But the ideal situation would be for the Knicks to walk out with two Big men. Frye and Bynum or Petro. I really see Frye as a PF more than a Center. Where as i see Petro and Bynum as centers. Now a trade senario that should be consider to get Petro or Bynum might be 30 + KT for a move up in draft. Another senario that might be good would be to see Frye and Kwame Brown on the front line. Where Brown plays center and Frye PF. This allows the Knicks to move up by trading KT + 30 or Sweetney + 30 to the middle of the pack in the draft to take a player like Granger.

[Edited by - Vmart on 06/11/2005 13:55:41]
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6/11/2005  2:22 PM
I don't think I need to state my view on Frye again, since I've done it many times in other threads. I will be extremely disappointed if he is chosen with our #8 pick, I think he's going to be a solid NBA player but he isn't worth the #8 pick, no way no how. Please give me Webster, Wright or Granger at #8 Isiah, I've been your biggest supporter throughout... don't fail me now.
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6/11/2005  2:41 PM
Posted by martin:

anyone think this is a ploy to get something out of the Warriors?

how about #8, #30 for #9 and Mickael Pietrus?

I think its something like that. I think the Knicks must've gotten the info that GS really wanted him at 9, and since they are one spot ahead, they are doing their due diligence on Frye and making GS sweat a little to see if they can break. It could just be that Isiah has fallen in love with his game, but he'd be tipping his intentions very strongly if that was the case, and when have we known Zeke to do that since he's been with the Knicks? Nearly every trade or move he's made (including all his trades and the drafting of Ariza...I don't remember papers mentioning him), were basically unknown to the press untill he actually made them. He's been great at keeping his intentions a secret. Tipping your intentions before the draft is one of the worst things to do because that opens the possibility that someone will jump in front of you. I don't think he'd start doing something like that now.

So in summary, I really think we are NOT drafting Channing Frye.

[Edited by - VDesai on 06/11/2005 14:43:11]
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6/11/2005  3:44 PM
I think its a 80% chance we draft Channing Frye at 8. 20% we draft a guard or small foward at 8. Zeke is not gonna draft Bynum at 8, its not gonna happen. Im not on the Channing Frye bandwagon, Im driving it. 6'11, 260 solid post moves and is training with Jordans trainer. Plus he got Zeke impressed.

Hes practically a lock at the 8 position.
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6/11/2005  3:47 PM
Posted by martin:

anyone think this is a ploy to get something out of the Warriors?

how about #8, #30 for #9 and Mickael Pietrus?

that would be phenomenal!

Bynum and Pietrus!!!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/11/2005 15:47:48]
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6/11/2005  3:49 PM
I'm all about channing frye...6-10 athletic shot blocking center.

Exactly what we need. Younger and more athletic. (just jokes fish)
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6/11/2005  4:09 PM
how athletic is he? i heard contrast reports that say that his leaping ability is not that great and there are better athletic big men out there. i also do not like the comparision to jason collins. personally, i think both collins boys are bums. but then there are some reports that says that he is athletic and described as a better dan gadzuric type which is fine with me. then people on this board are comparing him to camby which is better. so what is the real deal?
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6/11/2005  4:14 PM
A friend told me that he was looking at a Warriors message board and they think that Golden State is the one guaranteeing Frye would go in the top 10. Like us, most of them don't like it.

I love the suggestion of trading 8 and 30 for 9 and Pietrus. I'd even throw in San Antonio pick next year. Pietrus is a nice player with a lot of upside who's stuck behind Jason Richardson. He'd be a big part of the solution to our problems with perimeter defense.
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6/11/2005  4:15 PM
Posted by jazz74:

how athletic is he? i heard contrast reports that say that his leaping ability is not that great and there are better athletic big men out there. i also do not like the comparision to jason collins. personally, i think both collins boys are bums. but then there are some reports that says that he is athletic and described as a better dan gadzuric type which is fine with me. then people on this board are comparing him to camby which is better. so what is the real deal?

Look at his college stats. He's not much of a rebounder. Gadzuric is a great rebounder. Whenever Arizona played Arizona State, Ike Diogu dominated him.
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6/11/2005  4:21 PM
Posted by jazz74:

how athletic is he? i heard contrast reports that say that his leaping ability is not that great and there are better athletic big men out there. i also do not like the comparision to jason collins. personally, i think both collins boys are bums. but then there are some reports that says that he is athletic and described as a better dan gadzuric type which is fine with me. then people on this board are comparing him to camby which is better. so what is the real deal?

In terms of power, toughness athletiscm he isnt in the same hempisphere as this guy. and remember channing was basically the only big man, eo played with josh boone, charlie V etc who stole points and reb. he also happened to play with a cracked vertebrae all year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5240

channing has a better tocuh than emeka, but then he is WAY better at EVERYTHINg else that is important
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6/11/2005  4:25 PM
We need a guy like Emeka not a jumpshooting tweener PF/C
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6/11/2005  5:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by jazz74:

how athletic is he? i heard contrast reports that say that his leaping ability is not that great and there are better athletic big men out there. i also do not like the comparision to jason collins. personally, i think both collins boys are bums. but then there are some reports that says that he is athletic and described as a better dan gadzuric type which is fine with me. then people on this board are comparing him to camby which is better. so what is the real deal?

In terms of power, toughness athletiscm he isnt in the same hempisphere as this guy. and remember channing was basically the only big man, eo played with josh boone, charlie V etc who stole points and reb. he also happened to play with a cracked vertebrae all year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5240

channing has a better tocuh than emeka, but then he is WAY better at EVERYTHINg else that is important


See, this is my problem, you're comparing Frye to a number one pick. we don't have a number one pick, we have a number 8 pick. Briggs, I know you were saying we should play the young'uns and basically tank for the draft pick, but there are some people here that were screaming about sneaking into the playoffs and that true fans only root for wins - and now they're upset that they won't get a superstar in the draft? No duh, man. You want a bonafide superstar, you better do everything you can to get a number 1 overall. If you're whining now about not liking Frye and you were whining in March about making a playoff run, I mean, what does that say? Be realistic.
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6/11/2005  5:11 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by jazz74:

how athletic is he? i heard contrast reports that say that his leaping ability is not that great and there are better athletic big men out there. i also do not like the comparision to jason collins. personally, i think both collins boys are bums. but then there are some reports that says that he is athletic and described as a better dan gadzuric type which is fine with me. then people on this board are comparing him to camby which is better. so what is the real deal?

In terms of power, toughness athletiscm he isnt in the same hempisphere as this guy. and remember channing was basically the only big man, eo played with josh boone, charlie V etc who stole points and reb. he also happened to play with a cracked vertebrae all year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5240

channing has a better tocuh than emeka, but then he is WAY better at EVERYTHINg else that is important


See, this is my problem, you're comparing Frye to a number one pick. we don't have a number one pick, we have a number 8 pick. Briggs, I know you were saying we should play the young'uns and basically tank for the draft pick, but there are some people here that were screaming about sneaking into the playoffs and that true fans only root for wins - and now they're upset that they won't get a superstar in the draft? No duh, man. You want a bonafide superstar, you better do everything you can to get a number 1 overall. If you're whining now about not liking Frye and you were whining in March about making a playoff run, I mean, what does that say? Be realistic.

exactly. Thats why we need the BPA not a guy who happens to be 6'11 and can jumpshot and lead us to another 30win season the way Kurt has
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6/11/2005  8:12 PM
He's a step or two down from Kurt. He doesn't have Kurt's toughness. He won't rebound nearly as well as Kurt.
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