Posted by djsunyc:

this is very similar to drafting sweetney.

a very very very safe pick.
nobody can say anything bad about it b/c he IS a center.

in fact, i think layden would've drafted him as well.

i'm hoping this is part of isiah's due diligence on the kid but i can't see him wasting all this time in arizona if he's not VERY high on the list.

Mike Sweetney was a dominator in college in the toughest confernece physically, each night being draped on with 2-3 guys and still putting up 10-11 rebounds 22-23 points. Pac 10 big men--have there been any in the last 20 years play in the NBA at a high level?

I always equate low rebounds--low desire show me a big man who rebounded at a higher level in the NBA then college? there are none.

Posted by djsunyc:

this is very similar to drafting sweetney.

a very very very safe pick.
nobody can say anything bad about it b/c he IS a center.

in fact, i think layden would've drafted him as well.

i'm hoping this is part of isiah's due diligence on the kid but i can't see him wasting all this time in arizona if he's not VERY high on the list.

Is it a safe pick? I usually think of safe implying that you're making a pick that's unlikely to be criticized. I think Isiah would take severe criticism if he took a guy like Frye at 8 who should be drafted closer to 15.

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Posted by crzymdups:


I think Frye is the safe pick for the Knicks. He'll be a serviceable starter and a minor upgrade over Nazr. Not too inspiring. If we go the established college guy route, I'd prefer to get Graham or Warrick.

But, yeah, Frye fits. He'd be good on the pick and pop with Steph, we can block shots from the weak side while Sweets guards the strong side. Will he be able to guard Shaq one on one? No. who can.

So thats what you want, a slightly better version of nazr--the word serviceable makes me want to puke? I dont aspire to be serviceable--who desires anything in their life to be just OK---thats not a good way to live, ill take my chances with a high end player with a higher ceiling any day of the week. Give me the power and you can take safe.

I didn't say I wanted him, did I? Does "not too inspiring" sound like a ringing endorsement??? I've said for the past two weeks that I thought the pick would be Frye but that I WANTED Warrick, Bynum, Graham. I could possibly see Graham being the pick, but I just don't see Isiah making the pick for Bynum. Maybe I'm wrong, but articles like the one I posted here make me think it's Frye.

(again, I POSTED the article, I didn't WRITE it. Don't kill the messenger!!!)

I think you are 100% right. There is almost no doubt in my mind. We read that Channing was promised a pick in the top 10, isiah spent weeks at Arizona diners asking the locals if they ever caught Channing pssing behind the restaraunt or drinking a 40 with his pals around town and shzam. Honestly, they are[knicks management] p*ssing their pants that this article is out. It doesnt take a brain scientist. You dont make a frikin promise in APRIL!!!!! with a player like Channing. I agree 100% that Bynum should have gone to school, but after that tremednous weight loss, its just another specimen. How could they look at that specimen and those skills and poo poo it for 6-11 240 pound no rebounding channing frye? heck they promised frey before bynum came back in this shape. Its like saying I dont want an intelligent eddie curry with a hard work ethic. hes going to be booed, NY will eat this pick up.

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Posted by crzymdups:

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Posted by crzymdups:


I think Frye is the safe pick for the Knicks. He'll be a serviceable starter and a minor upgrade over Nazr. Not too inspiring. If we go the established college guy route, I'd prefer to get Graham or Warrick.

But, yeah, Frye fits. He'd be good on the pick and pop with Steph, we can block shots from the weak side while Sweets guards the strong side. Will he be able to guard Shaq one on one? No. who can.

So thats what you want, a slightly better version of nazr--the word serviceable makes me want to puke? I dont aspire to be serviceable--who desires anything in their life to be just OK---thats not a good way to live, ill take my chances with a high end player with a higher ceiling any day of the week. Give me the power and you can take safe.

I didn't say I wanted him, did I? Does "not too inspiring" sound like a ringing endorsement??? I've said for the past two weeks that I thought the pick would be Frye but that I WANTED Warrick, Bynum, Graham. I could possibly see Graham being the pick, but I just don't see Isiah making the pick for Bynum. Maybe I'm wrong, but articles like the one I posted here make me think it's Frye.

(again, I POSTED the article, I didn't WRITE it. Don't kill the messenger!!!)

I think you are 100% right. There is almost no doubt in my mind. We read that Channing was promised a pick in the top 10, isiah spent weeks at Arizona diners asking the locals if they ever caught Channing pssing behind the restaraunt or drinking a 40 with his pals around town and shzam. Honestly, they are[knicks management] p*ssing their pants that this article is out. It doesnt take a brain scientist. You dont make a frikin promise in APRIL!!!!! with a player like Channing. I agree 100% that Bynum should have gone to school, but after that tremednous weight loss, its just another specimen. How could they look at that specimen and those skills and poo poo it for 6-11 240 pound no rebounding channing frye? heck they promised frey before bynum came back in this shape. Its like saying I dont want an intelligent eddie curry with a hard work ethic. hes going to be booed, NY will eat this pick up.

I don't get it. I thought you were convinced the Knicks were going to trade the pick?

its hard to buy too much into this stuff because of all the smoke screens out there. Whoever said "serviceable is lame" was dead on. Hell... KT is a serviceable center. Every player on our $110mm roster serviceable. When Isiah drafted for Toronto he wasnt afraid to think out of the box picking guys like TMac, Camby and Damon that didnt necessarily fit the typical mold of NBA players.

If you want to label it a "safe" pick because Frye will definitely be a good player in the league I can live with that. This is just the last thing our team needs. We need a star, an impact player we can build around and I would rather take a gamble and risk the downside if it gives us a shot to win big.

Posted by joec32033:

I think Zeke already knows who we are drafting at 8, and I think that he is only doing the background on Fry to see if he wants Fry instead of whoever...I have a feeling he was hoping he would be available at 30, but now that he has a promise ( and I think it is the Raptors who promised Frye at 7--is it really that much of a stretch they need a 7 footer and whiffed on Araujo, you don't think that they would take the "safe pick" over the project?) he wants to see what Frye is all about.

The Raptors already have Loren Woods the First, they don't need the sequel. I would assume Toronto would go for a SG/SF type like Wright or Graham or even a PG like Felton. They need perimeter production to assist Bosh. They are going to try to trade Jalen and Alston this summer.

Toronto will draft a SF or SG to take some of the load of of Bosh.

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Posted by Knick2001:

Toronto will draft a SF or SG to take some of the load of of Bosh.

If they do, my money is on Wright, but I think that this top half of the draft is going to be very weird. Depending on trades the scenario's are endless.

It is a good chance that Wright goes to Portland. I think Webster would make sense for Toronto.

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Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Knick2001:

Toronto will draft a SF or SG to take some of the load of of Bosh.

If they do, my money is on Wright, but I think that this top half of the draft is going to be very weird. Depending on trades the scenario's are endless.

It is a good chance that Wright goes to Portland. I think Webster would make sense for Toronto.

they are very very high on joey graham. if wright and green are gone,i think they will take graham

it is still possible that the raptors trade up to 3 with pick 7+16 for green

NO!!!!!I want Graham!!!!!