Posted by diderotn:

that is why I want Memphis 19th pick

Memphis just worked out Bynum. Maybe Memphis wants Memphis' pick.

I don't view Bynum as a 3 year project. Again, I really believe that people's pereception of him is the guy you saw at MCDs. Its hard to understand that he had a bad bone bruise on his right knee where he missed half the season and was only able to play like 18-20 minutes a game when he came back, yet still averaged 23-15-6 in like 20+ minutes, out of shape and still hurting. The kid who worked out at Baruck was a different human being. In tremendous shape, not injured and able to work on his game with professionals for 3 months every day. You didnt see his athletic ability and conditioning especially. He actually has a very good vertical lift for a man his size--read that piece on him from draftcity where the guy states Bynum is 3 feet over the basket when he dunks. Quite frankly he is to big and athletic to be a project, I prefer the term prospect. Deji Akindale is a *project* C. I see him having the ability to help off the bench NOW. It might be only for 8-10 minute stretches, but a mobile athletic 7-1 280 skill player with his frame simply has to play under the basket to have an impact.
I agree with a people who think there is NO way, and I mean no way he is getting out of the top 14, not even top 10. I really believe if we had a chance to draft him and passed, chris mullin would not. I wish I could replay the Jim Calhoun radio show where he said Andrew had more potential than Okafor, that was before the kid was in shape! Jim C is a master at analyzing talent, as good as anyone in the nBA.
we have a chance here to really solve the middle problem for a long time.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by BRIGGS:


I don't view Bynum as a 3 year project. Again, I really believe that people's pereception of him is the guy you saw at MCDs. Its hard to understand that he had a bad bone bruise on his right knee where he missed half the season and was only able to play like 18-20 minutes a game when he came back, yet still averaged 23-15-6 in like 20+ minutes, out of shape and still hurting. The kid who worked out at Baruck was a different human being. In tremendous shape, not injured and able to work on his game with professionals for 3 months every day. You didnt see his athletic ability and conditioning especially. He actually has a very good vertical lift for a man his size--read that piece on him from draftcity where the guy states Bynum is 3 feet over the basket when he dunks. Quite frankly he is to big and athletic to be a project, I prefer the term prospect. Deji Akindale is a *project* C. I see him having the ability to help off the bench NOW. It might be only for 8-10 minute stretches, but a mobile athletic 7-1 280 skill player with his frame simply has to play under the basket to have an impact.
I agree with a people who think there is NO way, and I mean no way he is getting out of the top 14, not even top 10. I really believe if we had a chance to draft him and passed, chris mullin would not. I wish I could replay the Jim Calhoun radio show where he said Andrew had more potential than Okafor, that was before the kid was in shape! Jim C is a master at analyzing talent, as good as anyone in the nBA.
we have a chance here to really solve the middle problem for a long time.

I'm not saying I don't want Bynum. I think it's the perfect opportunity to build the franchise, give us a foundation.

I just don't see it happening.

And I don't think anyone in the top 7 would take him. GSW Might take him, especially if we take Frye (who both GSW and LAL covet). But if we take someone like Graham, GSW is taking Frye. LAL might take Bynum, which is why I say his range is probably 10-19.

Im not going to kill Channing Frye because I happen to think he's a nice skill player who good athletiscm for his size. Places like draftcity absolutley kill him--had him as asecond round pick for a long time, but i did not agree with that. I think he is late lottery to mid range i.e 13-18, perhaps with the lack of big men he does get up to 10?

But let me warn, I have seen Channing play atleast a dozen times and he isnt tough. hes skilled but he gets pushed around in college quite a bit. if you watched utah arizona this year, you would know what i mean. Bogut backed him under the basket several times and Bogut only weighs 250. frye did score, but more in an uptempo way, where he would get put backs, he wasnt very effetcive 1-1 with Bogut. I mean he has a chance to get stronger and he is tremendously skilled, but this is a guy who played 4 YEARS in college and at close to 7 feet never averaged 8 rebounds or more than 2 blocks.

7 footers who play 35 minutes should average 11-12 rebounds in college. Now I do think he will be much better than some people think in some ways, but not so good where we need it the most--i.e hes not very good on the D and hes a weak side shot blcoker. I do think he still has upside, but he will NOT be a gam e changer, has 0 chance to be a franchise player, hes a tweener, he has a softness about him--there is good and bad with Channing. If he averaged 21-11-3, then you could make a great debate, but in 4 years the best he did was 16-7-2 playing 30 minutes in an up tempo system. just for example Mike Sweetney played in a tougher league and averaged 23-10.5-3.2 blocks in his junior year.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by BRIGGS:


I don't view Bynum as a 3 year project. Again, I really believe that people's pereception of him is the guy you saw at MCDs. Its hard to understand that he had a bad bone bruise on his right knee where he missed half the season and was only able to play like 18-20 minutes a game when he came back, yet still averaged 23-15-6 in like 20+ minutes, out of shape and still hurting. The kid who worked out at Baruck was a different human being. In tremendous shape, not injured and able to work on his game with professionals for 3 months every day. You didnt see his athletic ability and conditioning especially. He actually has a very good vertical lift for a man his size--read that piece on him from draftcity where the guy states Bynum is 3 feet over the basket when he dunks. Quite frankly he is to big and athletic to be a project, I prefer the term prospect. Deji Akindale is a *project* C. I see him having the ability to help off the bench NOW. It might be only for 8-10 minute stretches, but a mobile athletic 7-1 280 skill player with his frame simply has to play under the basket to have an impact.
I agree with a people who think there is NO way, and I mean no way he is getting out of the top 14, not even top 10. I really believe if we had a chance to draft him and passed, chris mullin would not. I wish I could replay the Jim Calhoun radio show where he said Andrew had more potential than Okafor, that was before the kid was in shape! Jim C is a master at analyzing talent, as good as anyone in the nBA.
we have a chance here to really solve the middle problem for a long time.

Briggs, why isn't Bynum a project center? Do you think he is going to have the same type of rookie season as Bosh?

In his second year, I believe he will be a 13+7-2 player in 25 minutes off the bench then settle in year 3 as a starter where he becomes a long term 20-10-3 C.

Bosh is a differnt player--hes a 7 foot PF with perimeter skills who can handle the ball like a PG.
Bynum is pURE powerhouse 5 , nothing else.

Blatche seems like he will play a lot like Bosh.


Briggs, I agree Bynum has a far higher ceiling and I would take him over Frye at this point. I think Frye would work well here on offense in the pick and pop scheme with Steph, but I don't see him developing into an intimidator on defense. I think Bynum has a MUCH higher upside, I have no clue what kind of defensive pressence he would be, but I could see him turning in a solid effort in three years, maybe not 20 and 10 and 3, but more like 12 and 10 and 2 - which would be GREAT, exactly what we need. I would love to get Bynum also because it would mean a lotto pick next year which we could add to the fold.

My problem is I think the organization is building for a playoff run THIS year and they will go for a college-proven player who will be able to come in and help on offense and do whatever on defense (defense doesn't seem to concern Isiah, despite the fact that he was a great defender...weird.). I don't think he'll take a "project" like Bynum, because he knows he probably won't be here to reap the benefits of Bynum.

Posted by gunsnewing:

people like to label all high school guys as prospects without taking their skills into account. Thats how the Amares of the world slip to 9. Like you said, a raw prospect to me is a guy who is athletic and csn jump and block shots but fouls out in the nba and needs to develop offensively.

Bynum is more than that. The only reason he might be a little raw is because he's 17-18 but he will be a lot better, a lot sooner than all these other bigs. He's the only one worth taking over the BPA

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/07/2005 12:59:15]

Amare slipped because Phoenix asked him to shut it down and he did. Not to mention his family life was in shambles and it didn't appear he would be stable. It wasn't quite how you are characterizing it.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by gunsnewing:

people like to label all high school guys as prospects without taking their skills into account. Thats how the Amares of the world slip to 9. Like you said, a raw prospect to me is a guy who is athletic and csn jump and block shots but fouls out in the nba and needs to develop offensively.

Bynum is more than that. The only reason he might be a little raw is because he's 17-18 but he will be a lot better, a lot sooner than all these other bigs. He's the only one worth taking over the BPA

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 06/07/2005 12:59:15]

Amare slipped because Phoenix asked him to shut it down and he did. Not to mention his family life was in shambles and it didn't appear he would be stable. It wasn't quite how you are characterizing it.

...and even with the shutting down workouts stuff, there were teams DESPERATELY attempting to trade up to the 8th pick to get him. Portland almost put a deal together with the Clippers to do it. http://www.nba.com/suns/news/azcentral_020628.html

So, offering a promise sometimes works, but it's not a guarantee and it doesn't stop other teams from trying to nab a guy they want.