Posted by diderotn:

Are you blaming Isiah for our current position in the draft???? I wouldn't be so quick to do so, because in all actuality, Herb is the one in need of a job...He had to do whatever he had to do to win as many games as possible to make a case for the position that he is in today.

Posted by Rich:

I'm not impatient, I'm disappointed, because he has made marginal moves that have only slightly improved the team's talent base, while hurting both its draft postion and the potential salary cap flexibility, the two primary ways to obtain franchise players, which are so critical for building a legitimate perennial championship contender.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by rvhoss:

the real questions are:

a) who has done a better GM job in the same amount of time
and
b) who is doing a better GM job now
and
c) Who could have done a better GM job than Isiah with the knicks.

a) who in the NBA has done a worse job in the NBA than Isiah Thomas so far?
b) who is Isiah doing a better job than in the NBA?
c) How could you have made our situation worse than what Isiah has done?

a and b are kind of hard to answer because each GM inherits a different situation. Layden obviously did worse but that isn't saying much.
c is very easy to answer. A worse situation would be not having some young talented players (Ariza, Crawford, Sweetney), not having a fairly young star PG to build with, and not having the 4 1st rd picks over the next 2 years. It would be worse to have a GM who looked primarily to add guys past their primes rather than a GM who uses the big trade assets each year to get players in (Marbury) or not yet in (Crawford) their primes, while only using much smaller assets to add complimentary veterans. Has Isiah made his share of mistakes? If you've paid any attention to my posts, you obviously realize there were many small things I would have done differently.

http://www.hoopshype.com/general_manager.htm
That's a good site to see the performances of GMs. You can see which one's have done better and which worse than Isiah has done so far based on # of playoff performances at least. Elgin Baylor's 2 playoff appearances in Nineteen years as a GM certainly won't impress many people. I'm sure a few people here would consider that better than Isiah, though. Paxson's zero appearances in six years aren't too impressive

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Rich:

I I was the in Isiah's position, I would have informed Herb that his job evaluation would have been based in large part on how he developed young players, and not on whether he gained a few meaningless, counterproductive wins down the stretch.

Posted by diderotn:

Are you blaming Isiah for our current position in the draft???? I wouldn't be so quick to do so, because in all actuality, Herb is the one in need of a job...He had to do whatever he had to do to win as many games as possible to make a case for the position that he is in today.

Posted by Rich:

I'm not impatient, I'm disappointed, because he has made marginal moves that have only slightly improved the team's talent base, while hurting both its draft postion and the potential salary cap flexibility, the two primary ways to obtain franchise players, which are so critical for building a legitimate perennial championship contender.

And it would have made little difference considering how we lost like 70% of the games down the stretch anyway. Maybe you could have pumped the losing percentage up to 75 or maybe even 80% and we would be picking 7th instead of 8th. Hardly a difference worth discussing.

Posted by TMS:

way to defend the job Isiah's doing by citing the job 2 other crappy GM's have done in the NBA.