Posted by Andrew:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Now channing Frye's agent refused pick 11 and 12 to workout for the teams. that means he defintely has a top 10 promise.

It may also mean his agent is trying to make teams think he has a top 10 promise to raise his stock.

Posted by BRIGGS:

You see how Biendrins did not show for Chicago, or go to any workouts, yet he was picked 11?

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Andrew:

Um...read my above comment. Biendrins worked out for more than a couple of teams.

There is also a difference between drafting a player that you didn't workout, and making a promise to a player that has not worked out. Teams draft players that they don't workout for many reasons....one being they never thought that the player would drop to them at their pick.

I don't think you are getting what I am saying. Frye has a top notch agent. He is saying no workouts to teams at 11-12-13 etc. meaning he must have been promised in the top 10. It would be a fiduciary breach for an agent to not allow a player he represents to workout for teams interested in his services with a high draft pick. He isnt arbitrarily assuming that Frye will be a top 10 pick, the only reason why he refused these workouts is because he KNOWS he will be a top 10 pick because of a promise.

What if Channing Frye fell to round 2--do you think that the agent would ever find another client? This is not some guy trying to make a play here, this is Rob Pelinka who has an A list clientele

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Andrew:

Um...read my above comment. Biendrins worked out for more than a couple of teams.

There is also a difference between drafting a player that you didn't workout, and making a promise to a player that has not worked out. Teams draft players that they don't workout for many reasons....one being they never thought that the player would drop to them at their pick.

I don't think you are getting what I am saying. Frye has a top notch agent. He is saying no workouts to teams at 11-12-13 etc. meaning he must have been promised in the top 10. It would be a fiduciary breach for an agent to not allow a player he represents to workout for teams interested in his services with a high draft pick. He isnt arbitrarily assuming that Frye will be a top 10 pick, the only reason why he refused these workouts is because he KNOWS he will be a top 10 pick because of a promise.

What if Channing Frye fell to round 2--do you think that the agent would ever find another client? This is not some guy trying to make a play here, this is Rob Pelinka who has an A list clientele

I personally don't see why ANY team would give Channing Frye a Top10 guarentee, he's not THAT good. His stats are quite comparable to Loren Woods and I personally don't trust any big man that comes out of Arizona, they've never once had a good NBA pro play the PF or Center position. Thats just me but I don't see Channing Frye ever being a 12 year starter in the NBA who is making All-Star games and thats what a player in the Top10 should have the potential to do, I don't see that with Frye.

Im not in love with him, but when the bottom line comes around, he's 7-0 250 skill player he is NOT loren Woods, hes a much more intelligent and athletic player. you dont find many big men who have the fundamentals and the athletic ability as Channing. Is he a tremendous lane presnce, no. But he still has UPSIDE and can play NBA basketball right now. I prefer toughness strength and athletiscm with the skills:>), but strength can be worked on hard and that s what he is doing now and strength can add toughness. He represents something we dont have, length and skill with a post game inside. He played very well the end of last season and the 4 years in college playing on a winning program high character no problems good worker highly skilled 7 footer,upside, that should get you up there in the draft. Not my first selection right now, but he has to be worked out and he is definitely a candidate for the spot.

If we bring in guys who move towards up tempo play, channing would be a fine pick.

I agree with you Briggs about Channing for the most part. He is long with athleticism and has come from a winning program and that part is great but I just don't think he's a top10 pick. To me a top10 pick is someone that you can build your franchise around and know that they are going to be amongst the best in the game at their position for years to come. I know Top10 picks don't always pan out to this but for the most part thats what I think of when I think of a top10 pick. I like Frye, just not in the top10 and I really would like to know which team guarenteed him that a spot there becuase I just don't see that top10 potential about him.

Oh yeah, when I was using the Loren Woods comparison with him it was more of what kind of players Lute Olsen PF's and C's usually become, there hasn't been one good in the NBA and Loren Woods was probably the best big man he had in college(before Frye.) He works them perfectly into the college system but they just never are able to translate their game from college into NBA. The one thing I do disagree about is the where you said Frye is more athletic Woods. While I don't think Woods is a MUCH more athletic, they really played a similar game in college, they got alot of their points by not really having post moves and just using their athleticism in cleaning up missed shots and maybe some driving to the hoop. There is nothing that screams Center about either one of them and that works fine in college but when your that tall and do not possess a great jumpshot(Frye does have a decent one, he'll knock down 16footer for the most part) you get lost in NBA because that kinda offense isn't going to work and it didn't for Woods.

I know Frye is better then Woods but I see alot of similarities that scare me and really keep me from wanting to see Frye drafted anywhere before 17. And I agree, if Isiah decides to go fully uptempo, Frye would thrive.

Posted by BRIGGS:


We have to take a huge looks at Frye, there is no doubt about it. We have to take huge looks at Petro Splitter and Bynum as well. If Martynas coms to the US, we have to take a huge look at him. We also need to take a very serious look at Kyle Luckett[not at pick 8] in Chicago, he is also a 7 footer who has the abilities to blow away scouts.

I look at it this way, no stone unturned. I want to check and recheck everyone. If we decide that NONE of the bigs deserves pick 8 that a guard is head and tails a BPA fine, cool. But I do hope we see a scenario where atleast 1 of these bigs realy shows a great deal.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:


We have to take a huge looks at Frye, there is no doubt about it. We have to take huge looks at Petro Splitter and Bynum as well. If Martynas coms to the US, we have to take a huge look at him. We also need to take a very serious look at Kyle Luckett[not at pick 8] in Chicago, he is also a 7 footer who has the abilities to blow away scouts.

I look at it this way, no stone unturned. I want to check and recheck everyone. If we decide that NONE of the bigs deserves pick 8 that a guard is head and tails a BPA fine, cool. But I do hope we see a scenario where atleast 1 of these bigs realy shows a great deal.

Perfectly said.

And I would go with the same approach at 30. And 54.

3 7-footers would be IDEAL.

Posted by crzymdups:

Frye will be much more effective than Loren Woods. He's a better shooter, a better shotblocker and smarter. I agree that they are not too far apart in the athleticism department, but hopefully Frye can get stronger and use his smarts to score and be an efficient shot blocker.

I'm not saying Frye should be a lock, if Bynum or Blatche show you more in a workout, I have no problem taking either guy. Especially if they seem to be bigger.