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gunsnewing
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5/25/2005  9:21 PM
the main focus should've been trading KT for a pick in the 15-21 range but of course we had to overpay him!!!!!! I'm still praying to go that some team in the first round is gonna want him.

Say Bynum goes top 7. It would be great if we came away with a revamped frontline of Taft & Blatche!
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5/25/2005  9:40 PM
going by the history of this franchise over the past 5 years, and even as recent as down the stretch this season, there is NO direction, and NO road. what is going to happen is that isiah WILL draft someone with #8 and WILL draft someone with #30. and that's it. that move fish asked for earlier, where isiah should show us something, is NOT going to happen b/c he's not that savvy a GM. for his 50 transactions, none have been "savvy" or "genius". they've just been moves.
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5/25/2005  9:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

going by the history of this franchise over the past 5 years, and even as recent as down the stretch this season, there is NO direction, and NO road. what is going to happen is that isiah WILL draft someone with #8 and WILL draft someone with #30. and that's it. that move fish asked for earlier, where isiah should show us something, is NOT going to happen b/c he's not that savvy a GM. for his 50 transactions, none have been "savvy" or "genius". they've just been moves.

I agree. just keeping the pick would be an accomplishment for this organization. they have no sense of looking at the draft for answers. hence they played to win the final game of the season while the wizards played their scrubs!

A smart organization will do whatever they can to pick up as many picks in this deep draft as possible. Isiah did ok so far picking up #30. but if we're gonna get good in a hurry we're going to need another mid 1st rd pick. This team has far to many holes that need to be filled. the # 8 and whatever we can afford through trades and the MLE won't be enough!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/25/2005 22:05:51]
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5/25/2005  9:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

going by the history of this franchise over the past 5 years, and even as recent as down the stretch this season, there is NO direction, and NO road. what is going to happen is that isiah WILL draft someone with #8 and WILL draft someone with #30. and that's it. that move fish asked for earlier, where isiah should show us something, is NOT going to happen b/c he's not that savvy a GM. for his 50 transactions, none have been "savvy" or "genius". they've just been moves.

Drafting Trevor Ariza wasn't savvy?
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5/25/2005  10:02 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by djsunyc:

going by the history of this franchise over the past 5 years, and even as recent as down the stretch this season, there is NO direction, and NO road. what is going to happen is that isiah WILL draft someone with #8 and WILL draft someone with #30. and that's it. that move fish asked for earlier, where isiah should show us something, is NOT going to happen b/c he's not that savvy a GM. for his 50 transactions, none have been "savvy" or "genius". they've just been moves.

I agree. just keeping the pick would be an accomplishment for this organization. they have no sense of lucky at the draft for answers. hence they played to win the final game of the season while the wizards played their scrubs!

A smart organization will do whatever they can to pick up as many picks in this deep draft as possible. Isiah did ok so far picking up #30. but if we're gonna get good in a hurry we're going to need another mid 1st rd pick. This team has far to many holes that need to be filled. the # 8 and whatever we can afford through trades and the MLE won't be enough!

It's not that easy to just pickup picks in any draft. Like you said this is a deep draft and every GM in the leauge knows that and most teams don't want to give up their picks. I don't even know if the rumour that Vescey reported about Memphis wanting to give up their #19 pick is even true but I'll take it for what it is.

The Knicks aren't going to get good in a hurry unless a franchise player like Garnett or Lebron force their teams hand to get here. This is a rebuilding process and like you said the Knicks have a few holes to fill, you can't expect them to fill them all in one draft. Zeke has 3 picks to work with right now and I think its safe to say that most people on this board trust Zeke when it comes to drafting so let's see what he can do with with the 2 1st rounders he has to work with and the MLE. I'd almost be as satisifed with using the MLE all on resigning guys like Trevor and Jackie because the Knicks aren't going to be competing next year for a championship so I don't see a reason for Zeke going nuts trying to get guys like Gadzuric who are not going to put the Knicks over the top and ready for championship play. I can see a championship run in this team after next year when all the expiring contracts have been either traded or just gone from the books and Isiah has used this draft and next years to fill the holes that needed to be filled.
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5/25/2005  10:12 PM
if we had a top 6 pick and a chance at Green or Bynum then I could live with just pick 30 but the fact that we put up with so much crap last season. A season where we expected to make the playoffs after we all took a sip of Isiah Koolaid. For us to have a season like that after all the terrible years of losing with Layden while playing marbury, crawford and KT 50mins in meaningless games that costed us a chance at Bogut or Green left a real, I mean real, SOUR taste in my mouth.

To the point where I'm not even as excited about this draft as I was. I keep supporting Isiah but he is losing me with every stupid asinine decision and inexplicable trade

so I think it is imperative that he makes up for the decision which I'm sure he realized was a costly one to allow Herb to play the vets and win meaningless games by doing WHATEVER it takes to pick up another mid 1st round pick.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/25/2005 22:14:02]
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5/25/2005  10:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

if we had a top 6 pick and a chance at Green or Bynum then I could live with just pick 30 but the fact that we put up with so much crap last season. A season where we expected to make the playoffs after we all took a sip of Isiah Koolaid. For us to have a season like that after all the terrible years of losing with Layden while playing marbury, crawford and KT 50mins in meaningless games that costed us a chance at Bogut or Green left a real, I mean real, SOUR taste in my mouth.

To the point where I'm not even as excited about this draft as I was. I keep supporting Isiah but he is losing me with every stupid asinine decision and inexplicable trade

so I think it is imperative that he makes up for the decision which I'm sure he realized was a costly one to allow Herb to play the vets and win meaningless games by doing WHATEVER it takes to pick up another mid 1st round pick.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/25/2005 22:14:02]


I look at the draft this way

1. M Bogut
2. At Williams[now they may trade the pick[i wouldnt] but he will be picked 2
3. Port Gerald Greene
4. NO Paul
5 Cha Williams
6 Utah Felton
7 Raptors Granger [they drafted a project C last year, they wont do it at 7]
8 NY Bynum Taft Blatche Splitter

Im pretty sure this is your scenario
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5/25/2005  10:26 PM
what the knicks shouldve done is bring this kid in june 2, 2 days before his workout and run him through a 1 hour deal. They could do it in their own facilities in westchester to keep it quiet. If they like what they see, tell him to become injured and shut down the workouts
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5/25/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by rain:

fishmike... trade down and take one of the two? Or stay where we are?

If you trade down, neither one may be available. No reason not to take one with the 8th. Actually, we might even have to trade UP to get one, b/c of Bynum has great workouts, Briggs says he may go top 5, understandably.
Where you getting this most mocks have Bynum going 22.
Bucks - Bogut
Atlanta - Paul or trade
Portland - Williams (A risky pick in Green could come back and haunt you if Williams is still on the board)
Hornets - Green or D. Williams here
Bobcats - whoever the Hornets don't get
and you have Utah taking having a HS player? After Sloan was convinced to come back and who hates HS player after the like of Quincy Lewis and Stevenson
This season has not been easy for Sloan. Known for his quick-flare temper, he has had highly publicized confrontations with referees and 22-year-old Utah guard DeShawn Stevenson.
Toronto - If they take Bynum, Bosh would have to say what the f#ck especially after taking their center last season.
Bynum will be quite available for the Knicks there if Isiah wants him unless Utah makes a trade with someone who thinks he is worth to move up for.


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5/25/2005  11:30 PM
reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%
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5/26/2005  12:14 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%

I agree with you about the Bynum not being known but I remember reading somewhere that the nbadraft.net mockdrafts have picked over 85% (it might have been higher, I'm trying to find the link) of the draft correctly with their mock drafts.
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5/26/2005  1:05 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%

I agree with you about the Bynum not being known but I remember reading somewhere that the nbadraft.net mockdrafts have picked over 85% (it might have been higher, I'm trying to find the link) of the draft correctly with their mock drafts.

I guess Bynum going in the top 10 will be part of that 15% then lol

Scouts & media weren't paying much attention to him because they were sure he was going to uconn. now that he's in the draft they betta do some scoutin!

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/26/2005 01:07:54]
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5/26/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%
LOL, are you serious. GMs scout these kids in elementary school. Believe me Bynum is known. Some of those guys can tell you what 8th grader is going to develop into what type of player. I know the internet is powerful but to indicate a GM hasn't heard about him is really insulting.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%

I agree with you about the Bynum not being known but I remember reading somewhere that the nbadraft.net mockdrafts have picked over 85% (it might have been higher, I'm trying to find the link) of the draft correctly with their mock drafts.
They don't post it anymore because that 85% you gave is criminal. Those guys are lucky to get the 1st round right. They have a boatful of Europeans getting drafted in the lottery every year. I remember other mock drafts use to compare their mocks to NBADRAFT and say how much better they did. So when NBADRAFT start charging a premium they took down the mocks, Now they have only actuals during and after the draft. The best guy I seen to do a NBA mock draft was ... damn, i forgot his name but he killed himself a couple of years ago. He worked with ESPN for abit.
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5/26/2005  12:11 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%
LOL, are you serious. GMs scout these kids in elementary school. Believe me Bynum is known. Some of those guys can tell you what 8th grader is going to develop into what type of player. I know the internet is powerful but to indicate a GM hasn't heard about him is really insulting.

I honestly don't think Bynum has been truly evaluated yet, precisely because people thought he was a LOCK for Uconn about a month ago. I can promise you, when that June 4 workout for every GM in the league happens, he will move into the top 12. It has happened before.

Every draft has a dark horse who sky rockets up based on a few workouts and quality guys like Josh Howard fall to the last pick in the first round. That's why I hold out hope for the 30th pick. No one with a sexy draft name like Blatche or Bynum or Frye will fall that far, but someone like Fernadez or Wright or Graham is going to inexplicably drop.
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5/26/2005  12:16 PM
Rudy Fernandez is very interesting. He's a heck of a foreign SG. could be as good as Ginobili but he is really small at 6-5 185. He's a better shooter than Manu and has the same versatile game but more athletic dunks and hops. driving, dishing wreaking havok!



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/26/2005 13:44:00]
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by gunsnewing:

reason Bynum is so low on these mock drafts is because he just put his name in there recently so these guys haven't seen him or heard much about him and have no clue really. After the rookie camp in Chicago don't be shocked when he's selected in the top 10. It happens all the time. these mock drafts are never close to 100%
LOL, are you serious. GMs scout these kids in elementary school. Believe me Bynum is known. Some of those guys can tell you what 8th grader is going to develop into what type of player. I know the internet is powerful but to indicate a GM hasn't heard about him is really insulting.

I honestly don't think Bynum has been truly evaluated yet, precisely because people thought he was a LOCK for Uconn about a month ago. I can promise you, when that June 4 workout for every GM in the league happens, he will move into the top 12. It has happened before.

Every draft has a dark horse who sky rockets up based on a few workouts and quality guys like Josh Howard fall to the last pick in the first round. That's why I hold out hope for the 30th pick. No one with a sexy draft name like Blatche or Bynum or Frye will fall that far, but someone like Fernadez or Wright or Graham is going to inexplicably drop.
I not saying Bynum can't play but you made it sound like this guy would need a name tag on in his workouts. I am sure GMs have scouted him, I know they did at the McDonald game. Maybe some of them didn't like some things while others said he is a project and don't want projects. But I think they seen him play in some capacity before. Hey if you believe what Briggs is saying the Lakers are looking at him so who knows. Could be that some teams are working guys out for other teams which have a trade already set up in mind.
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5/26/2005  12:33 PM
I think people have scouted him, but no one was seriously thinking about him as a guy who would be in the draft this year. Once that's clear, someone with a pick in the 8-15 range is going to snap him up.
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5/26/2005  2:18 PM
People tend to forget this is a mobile 7-1 275 pound[and still growing] 17 year old skill C who is intelligent, hard -working and has a nastiness/confidence to use his size to execute plays.
This is literally a blank check to work with. If we are open to picking him and surrounding him with a great big man[perhaps bring back Patrick which is long overdue anyway] to oversee his fundamental development, the best trainers with the best nutirtionists to make sure he continues[actually all the players] to keep their bodies in peak conditions[ a younger player of course is to teach him the way to do things healthy with discipline and structure]

But like I said this kid could end up a 7-2 1/2 3-0 pound solid as brickhouse franchise C IF things are done properly. If we throw him in an apartment with burger King and hold him to low standards like they did with kwame brown, then you might as well go another route.

But Isiah said he is committed to a championship, and that commitment goes a lot further than making players where ties.

Its about getting Jamal Crawford to put on 10-12 hard poundsetc... etal


Id like to think that we would take Bynum here, unless he shows something, some material negatives. right now, this is a different player than the one at MCD, this is a guy who is 25 pounds lighter and his knee is healed up. If he was dominating players then, what would he do if he was stronger faster and better conditioned? It doesnt take brain scientists, he's going to have remarkably improved in the last two months. So if they liked the player they saw at 300 pounds coming off the bone bruise, what do you think he will do 25 pounds lighter and healthy?
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5/26/2005  3:17 PM
Isiah definatly understands what you need to do to develop HS players. He's got great success doing so at the GM and coach level. Room him with Ariza and get them a live in housekeeper that cooks. No joke... get them eating good food, etc.

Hell... let Jackie Butler move in. They can all do playstation while they peddle their stationary bikes together
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