anyone who says well, well zeke us Marbury, please stop--what has been the bottom line? we have nothing to show for all this spending

Posted by BRIGGS:

anyone who says well, well zeke us Marbury, please stop--what has been the bottom line? we have nothing to show for all this spending

You never sound like a supporter to me; that's why I assumed you were in the disaster category. I was asking people based on what Zeke has done so far since none of us know what he will do in the future. Do you really support the majority of the decisions he's made thus far?

Posted by BRIGGS:

anyone who says well, well zeke us Marbury, please stop--what has been the bottom line? we have nothing to show for all this spending

Very true. It was a bigdeal at the time that Stephon came here but that's not something you can judge a GM by becuase the Suns WANTED to unload him and Stephon wanted to come to NY, I think if Layden wasn't so stupid he probably would have made the same deal, that alone you cannot judge a GM on... good or bad. I liked the Jamal deal, I think when the Knicks finally have a healthy 2guard(Green maybe) that Jamal will find his behind back on the bench as the 6th man where he will absolutely flourish.

I'm an avid Isiah supporter, I think the man has a definate plan and when he added guys like Mo Taylor and Malik that they were small parts to his plan but at the same time the only moves he could make at the, so he went out and got them becuase he was going to need to anyway. With all that being said Isiah's plan BETTER include this draft, I am not in support of trading our picks for old overpriced talent. Obviously if a deal came around for Garnett, Kobe, Elton Brand, players of that calibur then that's fine... throw Ron Artest into that category too, I think the guy has alot to prove. Either way, I'd rather Isiah not trade any of the picks and just get a bunch of young kids to add to this roster and build around them. I saw a report about Memphis wanting to sell their #19, well Zeke should buy. Imagine adding to the roster next year potentially 4 rookies and whoever Zeke picks up with the MLE. I think he has a plan and no plan unfolds in 1.5 years, it takes a little time. This draft will tell us alot about Isiah.

Posted by Allanfan20:

It hasn't been good at all, but I still support the Knicks and always will. And that means I support Zeke until (And IF) he truely Fs it up by doing something stupid like trading all your chips for older players or for guys we don't need, or for more fowards. We need youth on this team, and we need guys who play defense. But we also need guys for the future. We also need a team plan on what kind of style of play we want to play. I prefer to see some defense again.

By supporter, I meant that you support the majority of the decisions he's made, not that support the team or support him in the sense that you want him to do well. I could have been clearer.

Wel, it hasn't worked out so far. We have a whole glut of PFs, we still have an incredibly high payroll with a losing record. I don't support that. I support that fact that Isiah needed to get a superstar player in Marbury and I support that he wanted to give Crawford a shot, even though I wasn't a fan of his at the time.

I think we probably needed to trade Nazr, unless we had our eyes set on an up and coming center like Dalembert, or a star PF. However, I think we could have done a better job that Malik Rose and pick 30, b/c he was playing at a very high level before the groin injury. And he's playing at a high level now, in the playoffs. So as much as I like Malik Rose and that 30th pick, I actually think we could have done better.

Ariza was good of course. The whole coaching situation has been a disaster, b/c it's making it look like it's the fault of the coaching, when it's really the roster and philosophy.

Overall, I think Isiah has done a bad job. We had a losing, yet only the 8th pick. We will probably have a losing record this year. I want to see him let the contracts expire, unless something out of this world comes up, like say, Elton Brand, which it wont happen. But I'm not calling for his head yet. I want to see what he does with the draft. If he does something like go with Warrick with the 8th pick, I'll be pissed. I LOVE Warrick, but there's so many other and better options with high ceilings available over there. I want to see him give Green, Bynum, Webster, Granger a look and possibly get another pick. Especially try and buy that 19th pick. If he does a bad job with this draft, however, then you'll start hearing some things from me.

I don't support the past, but I still have a little ounce of faith for the future.

Posted by fishmike:

maybe its easier to support Isiah when their spending doesnt affect your ability to enjoy them. Few things rival being at Knick games in the garden

Hanging with the dudes here talking hoop has been better than watching on TV.

Granted, nothing like being there. Too bad I live 800 miles away!

I think the biggest thing that Isaiah did was drafting Ariza. Getting a first round talent in the mid second round is big. He's going to be a very solid starter in a couple of years.

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Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

anyone who says well, well zeke us Marbury, please stop--what has been the bottom line? we have nothing to show for all this spending

You never sound like a supporter to me; that's why I assumed you were in the disaster category. I was asking people based on what Zeke has done so far since none of us know what he will do in the future. Do you really support the majority of the decisions he's made thus far?

Wow, that did not take long at all.

"You never sound like a supporter to me"

Thats like the start of an arguement two tired married people say to each other. Im sure Briggs mother never liked you either Bonnie!

Cheesh!

I wasn't trying to start an arugment. I was just shocked to hear him say supporter since he also says things like "Isiah's gonna trade the 8th pick for Michael Finely." He's also said the same idea with us trading everything we have (pick 8, 30, Ariza, Sweetney, expiring contracts) for Odom. If you support the majority of Isiah's decisions, why would you post a new thread twice a week suggesting that you believe Isiah is about to make another disasterous move? It seemed contradictory to me, but maybe I misunderstood what Briggs meant.

What would playa do?

Saying "Isiah will succeed" just because makes you a homer. Sorry, but that's pretty much the text definition.
There is some sentiment on this board by some that if you point out Isiah's bad deals for what they are or talk about how little he has done to improve our situation that you actually want him to fail. This couldn't be further from the truth, at least for myself.
The offseason that Layden added McDyess and Frank Williams I was VERY optimistic. While we still had a gaping hole at center I thought Frank could do what Duhon has helped do for the Bulls (with some more scoring). I was worried about McDyess but if you remember those first 2 preseason games the guy was lights out. He was jumping out of the gym. I wanted nothing more than to sing Layden's praise as I thought a Frank/Houston/Spree/McDyess/Kurt SL could be pretty effective in the east. Obviously the rest is history.

If Isiah make makes good with this draft you will see the same kind of blind optimistic kool aid drinking enthusiasm I started that year with, because that's how I *want* to feel. Sadly, I have left Dido alone on bizarro world and reside here in reality, where what you see is what you get. So far what I have seen from Isiah doesn't instill me with great confidence or enthusiasm, but like I said if he shows us some of what Briggs is talking about I will be chugging the kool aid all summer long while I post summer league box scores and tout Nate Robinson as a cyborg cross of Spud Web, Wolverine, Dominique Wilkins and Bug Bunny from Space Jam.

Posted by fishmike:

Saying "Isiah will succeed" just because makes you a homer.

Who are you referring to? I know I've never said that he will succeed. All I've said is that I've supported the majority of his decisions. Were you referring to someone else or grossly distorting my position?