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tkf
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5/16/2005  12:29 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Im sure Philly be happy to let him out of his contract!

Hell no to Cwebb.

We ain't winnig no crown in the next two years and we don't need any Starphuchers eating youngin's minutes and more salary.

His relationship with AI is not our problem, nor our concern.

Cwebb should play on the ROckets and help them over the hump.

We dont get over the hump until we are done digging the hole we are in!

I agree nalod, It is funny, everyone is screaming for the knicks to get younger, yet I see on this site and on the real GM site, a million threads on how to get webber.. LOL.. I tell you New yorkers can scream, we want to rebuild until they lose their voice, but their hearts will always say... Get me that damn star right now.. no matter how washed up he is!!!
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5/16/2005  12:46 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:

Im sure Philly be happy to let him out of his contract!

Hell no to Cwebb.

We ain't winnig no crown in the next two years and we don't need any Starphuchers eating youngin's minutes and more salary.

His relationship with AI is not our problem, nor our concern.

Cwebb should play on the ROckets and help them over the hump.

We dont get over the hump until we are done digging the hole we are in!

I agree nalod, It is funny, everyone is screaming for the knicks to get younger, yet I see on this site and on the real GM site, a million threads on how to get webber.. LOL.. I tell you New yorkers can scream, we want to rebuild until they lose their voice, but their hearts will always say... Get me that damn star right now.. no matter how washed up he is!!!
I'd like a nice mix of young players and veterans. I'm not one of the people who want the fifteen youngest players with the highest vertical leaps.
I'd trade Houston or any two of Malik + JYD + Mo Taylor for C Webb, but I'd offer no more. No expiring contracts, no draft picks, no good young players, and no one whom I think we can get a decent young player for (like Kurt in a trade for late 1st rd pick). C Webb was outstanding even just a couple of months ago when he was on a team of players who share the ball. Losing him killed the Kings. If he can be close to the 21/10/6 he was a few months ago, getting him for any of those players above would be a steal.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/16/2005 12:51:02]
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5/16/2005  12:47 PM
THe thought of being starphuched is always better than the reality.
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5/16/2005  7:39 PM
Marbury has a lot of games where he just looks to pass. Iverson looks to score most of the time
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5/16/2005  7:50 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Marbury has a lot of games where he just looks to pass. Iverson looks to score most of the time
That's the crucial difference between the two. Webber, G Robinson, and most talented scorers who played with Iverson know that already. Iverson does play hard and play great defense and draw a lot of fouls. There are a lot of pluses to go with his drawbacks.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/16/2005 19:51:02]
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5/16/2005  11:14 PM
IT clearly said he wasn't the least bit interested in webber, and for obvious good reasons. Webber is a role player, and a extremely overpaid one.
Looking at him play was no different then watching allan houston play this year. Just think at what Sac, a Bonifide playoff team at the time of the trade, got in return. No disrepect to kt and williamson( 2 solid players) but lets be honest.

Allan houston and marbury combine for close 2 90% of the salary cap, adding webber would put us over, and thats not even counting the other 8 overpd players. Three players that put us over the cap before you have 3 quarters of your roster complete.
To even consider webber an option is ridiculously DUMB.

AI average more assist and rebounds this year then any of the previous. Don't confused seflishness with heart.
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5/16/2005  11:16 PM
AI average more assist and rebounds this year then any of the previous. Don't confused seflishness with heart.

that still doesn't change the fact thathe will never win a championship until he changes his ways.
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5/16/2005  11:27 PM
that still doesn't change the fact thathe will never win a championship until he changes his ways.


A I shoots just as many shots as most super stars, he gets to the line almost 10 times a game, and shooting around 80% from there. he can get his shot off from any where on the floor, as oppose to the- i need the ball in a certain spot player-. What does he need to stop doing, shooting, because he does everything else fairly well and at moderate clip. If your not a player who can't play more then one postion, your just a role player, or a complemntry player.
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5/16/2005  11:37 PM
The difference in N.Y. would be marburry's willingness to share the spot light. AI is known not to be able to play with other stars, but Marb is different. He did well with K.G, Amare, and even when he was with the Olympic team. Marb just need to have a star around him for more than 2 years. Bibby and Marb are similar players except that Marb looks to score a little more. Bring in a guy like Christy to play SG and have Ariza full time as our SF with Webb anchoring the frontline along with a very athletically gifted Center that is strong enough to guard most bigs and shot block, we would be more than ready to contend in this league. We would still have JYD, Craw, Sweetney, and Butler around to support especially on days when Webber would need to rest his knees, therefore we wouldn't miss a beat especially with Craw backing the PG and SG
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5/16/2005  11:38 PM
To add on to this a little, the only postion that doesn't really require a mutli postion player is the CENTER and PG.

My SG should be able to handle the ball at times, and guard the 3 as well.

My SF should be able to knock down long distance shots rebound and guard some 4s.

My PF should be athletic enough to guard most 3s bang with most centers ( especially in the league today) and rebound the heck out of the ball.

Thats why SAN AN and Detroit are my favorites to play in the finals, there roster is just so balance with multi position players, that finding a mismatch is never a problem.
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5/17/2005  5:56 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Im sure Philly be happy to let him out of his contract!

Hell no to Cwebb.

We ain't winnig no crown in the next two years and we don't need any Starphuchers eating youngin's minutes and more salary.

Cwebb should play on the ROckets and help them over the hump.
Exactly even if he were cheap he is not our answer. Excellent point about Hoston, he would be PERFECT for them. Thats exactly what they need a good role player at the PF who can occasionally erupt, but consistantly give you about 13-17 points. He could put Houston over the top and make them contenders.

Witht he Knicks, however,he just isn't what we need by any stretch of the imagination. We don't need him and I don't want him, especially not with that crazy money he gets.
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5/17/2005  7:47 AM
C Webb looked like a lot more than a role player just a few months ago in Sacramento. I'd rather have him than Mo Taylor and Malik Rose or JYD. I'd see how desperate Philly was to get rid of him. If you're not worried about the cap, Malik plus JYD for Webber is a good gamble. We'd still have all our key assets to use this offseason.
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5/17/2005  9:38 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

C Webb looked like a lot more than a role player just a few months ago in Sacramento. I'd rather have him than Mo Taylor and Malik Rose or JYD. I'd see how desperate Philly was to get rid of him. If you're not worried about the cap, Malik plus JYD for Webber is a good gamble. We'd still have all our key assets to use this offseason.

Cwebb is not winning us a title. Any of this merely pushes back any contender status. more big contracts with 3 legged dogs is not gonna get the job done. Its not a question of what we have to pay to get him, but its a lot of damm money tied up with no insurance policy for that leg.

Weber disputes his remark, its might be bogus.

Of course he is better than Mo T, or anyone elese, but AIM HIGHER!
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5/17/2005  9:55 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by rvhoss:

I want to keep TT, but it looks like he's headed to Philly for Webber.
Where did you get that idea from?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 05/16/2005 08:18:46]

At the end of the season the question was broached on whether Tim would mind going back to Philly where he played college ball in the area, he smiled.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 05/17/2005 10:09:40]
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5/17/2005  10:09 AM
Doesn't webber's contract expire the same year as Houston? If so, then they need to take back Houston and one of our PF's (not Kurt).

Or they can take Kurt and JYD or Rose along with Houston and they can fork over Webber and Dalambart.

Otherwise, enjoy the albatross.
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5/17/2005  11:03 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Doesn't webber's contract expire the same year as Houston? If so, then they need to take back Houston and one of our PF's (not Kurt).

Or they can take Kurt and JYD or Rose along with Houston and they can fork over Webber and Dalambart.

Otherwise, enjoy the albatross.

If they take H20 - I would gladly take Webber. Without H20 in the deal, forget it.
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5/17/2005  11:05 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

Doesn't webber's contract expire the same year as Houston? If so, then they need to take back Houston and one of our PF's (not Kurt).

Or they can take Kurt and JYD or Rose along with Houston and they can fork over Webber and Dalambart.

Otherwise, enjoy the albatross.

webber's deal goes one year past h20.

i don't think isiah wants webber as he already passed on him this season so the webber to ny talk should be dead...
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5/18/2005  12:00 AM
he passed on him when the asking price was high.
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5/18/2005  1:01 AM
The asking price wasn't high, he was traded for garbage players, some of whom had expiring contracts. We easily could have done that.

Isiah said he wasn't trying to go in that direction: a maxed out player over 30 with health issues. I don't see how that can change.
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5/18/2005  7:42 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

The asking price wasn't high, he was traded for garbage players, some of whom had expiring contracts. We easily could have done that.

Isiah said he wasn't trying to go in that direction: a maxed out player over 30 with health issues. I don't see how that can change.
It's possible that the asking price would be so low that even Isiah wouldn't pass. If they're willing to do something like Malik plus JYD for Webber, I'd do that.
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