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We can't afford to go no smaller than 6'10" in this draft with our first pick
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BigAppleStar3
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5/16/2005  11:14 AM
I completely disagree.

You draft the BPA. I don't care how big or small they are. With your thinking, we will do what Toronto did last year taking Rafael Aroujo over Andre Igoudala.
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5/16/2005  11:18 AM
To each his own.

Posted by BigAppleStar3:

I completely disagree.

You draft the BPA. I don't care how big or small they are. With your thinking, we will do what Toronto did last year taking Rafael Aroujo over Andre Igoudala.
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5/16/2005  11:22 AM
Posted by diderotn:

To each his own.

Posted by BigAppleStar3:

I completely disagree.

You draft the BPA. I don't care how big or small they are. With your thinking, we will do what Toronto did last year taking Rafael Aroujo over Andre Igoudala.

So you would take Rafael Araujo over Andre Iguodala?
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5/16/2005  11:31 AM
Dude, I am pretty sure if Toronto didn't have Vince, Jalen and Bosh at that time the outcome would have been different....
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5/16/2005  11:46 AM
I see what Briggs is saying, and a lot of people are getting caught up in the Jordan/Bowie draft and the artest/ Weiss fiasco. Those two are rare situations, I mean if Houston knew Jordan woould be that good, they would of taken him over hakeem for sure. The key here is that at 8, I think briggs is thinking a lot of people are going to bypass a stud big or two because they are taking the so called sure fire talent. The key here is do you feel the guys being picked after 8 have the talent of a jordan? or even a artest? I don't think so, therefore the question exists, why not take a flyer on one of thse young bigs? If Bynum or Blatche in 2 years become a dominant force or even close to, the knicks can accelerate their rebuilding process...
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5/16/2005  11:58 AM
Briggs????? he has yet to post on this thread....
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Ira
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5/16/2005  1:00 PM
"We can't afford to go no smaller than 6'10" in this draft with our first pick"

Isn't that what Portland said when they passed on Jordan to take Bowie?
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5/16/2005  1:38 PM
I think you draft BPA if you have a top 5 pick - see Darko Milicic haha - but if you are out of the top 5 then u gotta go with need.

Besides, I dont think the Knicks have a bad group - they just have no interior presence. If Lebron was available Vs a 6'10 player then you take Lebron, but when its not clear cut like that then you have to go with need.
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5/16/2005  1:50 PM
Exactly. for now, we only have the 8th pick. Therefore, we have to address our needs. Now, if Green is still around we have to pick him, but that won't be the case unless Isiah moves up


Posted by OasisBU:

I think you draft BPA if you have a top 5 pick - see Darko Milicic haha - but if you are out of the top 5 then u gotta go with need.

Besides, I dont think the Knicks have a bad group - they just have no interior presence. If Lebron was available Vs a 6'10 player then you take Lebron, but when its not clear cut like that then you have to go with need.
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5/16/2005  7:27 PM
so what some fyou guys are saying is we haveno need for guys like Amare, Mcgrady, Pierce & Artest. Neither was a top 5 pick. Yet we need Foyle, Dampier, Skita, Redojevic and Darko. You guys really lost me here!
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5/16/2005  7:45 PM
please, gamble at 30.

At 8, you've got to come away with a solid pick.

If its another PF, its got to be better than the collection we have there now.

Different story if IT could trade down in a 2 for 1 type deal.
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5/17/2005  10:57 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

so what some fyou guys are saying is we haveno need for guys like Amare, Mcgrady, Pierce & Artest. Neither was a top 5 pick. Yet we need Foyle, Dampier, Skita, Redojevic and Darko. You guys really lost me here!

You have a point - I was saying Darko was a mistake by the way - I would have taken Anthony. See the year we drafted Nene - I thought that was a perfect pic until Layden traded him away. He was exactly what we needed at the time and would have helped us out. Who was drafted after him that would have been a better pick? All i'm saying is sometimes its wise to go with need if there is a big man with skills. Sure if a guy like TMac is there or Amare then you pick them - but you also have no way of knowing what you are getting with a draft pick. No matter what you are always rolling the dice.
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5/18/2005  10:44 AM
What about Frye or TAFT? I think they may be the perfect addition to a sweet squad. Also, why is Frye dropping so much?

Is there a draft sticky post I can look at to see what the deal is with him?

Also, darko over melo...happened recently...happens all the time.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05/18/2005 10:55:29]

[Edited by - rvhoss on 05/18/2005 10:57:06]
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Posted by diderotn:

You have to be kidding me, looking at our roster, the biggest problem we have had since the departure of Ewing has been size. with the 8th pick a couple of seasons ago, we drafted an overweight undersize player in Sweetney who I still like. Last season, Isiah did what he could with what he had and picked an excellent young man in Reezzy. With our first pick this season, we have to address the center spot. I know that a lot of you are googoo about Warrick, but at his size, he will not be able to address our needs right away. We need to draft Centers to come in and learn on the fly. a lot of teams have tried that phylosophy and it has worked for them, why not the KNicks. We already have guards and many PFs, but how many centers do we have???? Phuk the guards for now, address our needs. There are too many big men on this draft that could potentially be super-stars in no time, it would be foolish not to pick at least two of them.....

Kindale, Bynum, and other 7's not named Boggut are still at our reach, we have to address all of the question marks....

I agree with you 100%, but we're in the very small minority. While there aren't any Shaq's or Duncan's available, there are players 6'10 and bigger that can make immediate contributions to the team. Look at Nazr (who I was glad to get rid of), Jerome James in Seatle. Look at the impact they are having in the playoffs. They are marginal players at best, but a big man that can do a couple of things can take a team a long way. I think almost any of the big guys available to the Knicks at the 8th spot will be better than Nazr, at least athletically. You should address the need now while you're in good draft position, than take the next hot 6'8 guard or forward. 6'8" guys are a dime a dozen. You can find them all over the place. Big guys that can play ball are much harder to find.
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5/18/2005  12:54 PM
Posted by franco12:

please, gamble at 30.

At 8, you've got to come away with a solid pick.

If its another PF, its got to be better than the collection we have there now.

Different story if IT could trade down in a 2 for 1 type deal.

That's the difficulty with this draft. Other than the high school players, all there is at 8 are point guards and power forwards who won't add anything to what we have. Where we are, we have to either trade the pick or gamble on one of the high school players.
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5/18/2005  1:19 PM
Exactly....Worst comes worst, we can always find a studd guard in the next draft or through FA...I want two of our three picks to be Centers...the 8th and the second round draft picks can be used to draft 6'10" or taller...Bynum and Petro....Forget about Kwame, because we can find a big man with a much bigger heart and disciplined than him through this draft who is NBA ready....If we can trade Kurt for Kwame and a draft pick which I doubt, we should do it. However, other than that, we need to look at moving Kurt and Rose to a team like perhaps Minesota for Kandi and their first round draft pick. Kurt is a much better player than Kandi and is perhaps much cheaper
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5/18/2005  10:34 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Exactly....Worst comes worst, we can always find a studd guard in the next draft or through FA...I want two of our three picks to be Centers...the 8th and the second round draft picks can be used to draft 6'10" or taller...Bynum and Petro....Forget about Kwame, because we can find a big man with a much bigger heart and disciplined than him through this draft who is NBA ready....If we can trade Kurt for Kwame and a draft pick which I doubt, we should do it. However, other than that, we need to look at moving Kurt and Rose to a team like perhaps Minesota for Kandi and their first round draft pick. Kurt is a much better player than Kandi and is perhaps much cheaper

Again, I agree. At least until you start talking about getting the Kandi man. I'd rather see about getting Memphis pick at 19. To me KT and Malik Rose's contracts are very valuable and are valuable players. We can certainly use them to improve the team, just don't sell us shrt.
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5/19/2005  1:01 AM
Posted by OasisBU:

See the year we drafted Nene - I thought that was a perfect pic until Layden traded him away. He was exactly what we needed at the time and would have helped us out. Who was drafted after him that would have been a better pick? All i'm saying is sometimes its wise to go with need if there is a big man with skills. Sure if a guy like TMac is there or Amare then you pick them - but you also have no way of knowing what you are getting with a draft pick. No matter what you are always rolling the dice.
I was jumping in my house when we drafted Nene, I had the guy's name in my signature, and this freaking idiot trades him and Camby for a roll of the 'dice'. A roll that we crapped out on. Get the best available Big, unless a star guard is available. its not rocket science.
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Posted by Killa4luv:
I was jumping in my house when we drafted Nene, I had the guy's name in my signature, and this freaking idiot trades him and Camby for a roll of the 'dice'. A roll that we crapped out on. Get the best available Big, unless a star guard is available. its not rocket science.
I was jumping for joy when we drafted Nene too. I was imagining the fromtline with Nene Camby and Sprewell. I was at my man's house watching the draft and couldn't believe my ears when I heard the trade go down. I also couldn't believe we drafted two more PG's afterwards. That was mindboggling also. I don't care what some of you people say about IT, no way in HECK did he or could he mess our team like Layden did in that one draft.
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5/19/2005  11:58 AM
enough is enough with drafting guards...We can always find them through FA...Plenty of guards will be available, frankly if we can't get Hughes, I would go for Dixon....he is an excellent defender and when his shots are on he is a much better player than Crawfford...Dixon is a tweener like Iverson, but between the two, I don't know who has the biggest heart...
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