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PresIke
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5/14/2005  11:41 AM
Thanks for the link Briggs.

Ok, I'm close to being sold on this guy if he's available at 8. He's clearly not going to be ready to contribute much now, but the possibility of him helping us in some fashion down the road, whether it be on the court or as possible trade bait seems rather intriguing.

Most of these sources seem to imply that in 1-2 years he will be a top 5 pick. Well, if he's in the draft now then I agree that he's probably worth taking. We'll see what happens, but even if he's gone, those that made the assessment that it increases our chances of getting someone else we like appear to be dead on.
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5/14/2005  5:28 PM
Posted by PresIke:

Thanks for the link Briggs.

Ok, I'm close to being sold on this guy if he's available at 8. He's clearly not going to be ready to contribute much now, but the possibility of him helping us in some fashion down the road, whether it be on the court or as possible trade bait seems rather intriguing.

Most of these sources seem to imply that in 1-2 years he will be a top 5 pick. Well, if he's in the draft now then I agree that he's probably worth taking. We'll see what happens, but even if he's gone, those that made the assessment that it increases our chances of getting someone else we like appear to be dead on.

I agree except if Green is availableor Taft really dominates camp the way I think he will
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5/15/2005  12:03 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by PresIke:

Thanks for the link Briggs.

Ok, I'm close to being sold on this guy if he's available at 8. He's clearly not going to be ready to contribute much now, but the possibility of him helping us in some fashion down the road, whether it be on the court or as possible trade bait seems rather intriguing.

Most of these sources seem to imply that in 1-2 years he will be a top 5 pick. Well, if he's in the draft now then I agree that he's probably worth taking. We'll see what happens, but even if he's gone, those that made the assessment that it increases our chances of getting someone else we like appear to be dead on.

I agree except if Green is availableor Taft really dominates camp the way I think he will

let me give you this bit of information on Taft. I follow the BE VERY closely. I loved Taft when i first saw him last year, I really thought at many points last year that he had a real good chance at being a top3 pick this year. But something has gone foul on the way to the promised land for Chris. I still like his potential, but read--or yet go over and post on the PITT rivals board if you have a membership, and you will find out nuances of items that only people who follow real close will tell you. Like Taft was dominated quite a bit in practice by a slow 7 footer named AAron Gray, which is one of the big reasons his time was cut back. He did poorly in school, there were some character issues, lapses in intensity etc... with all that said, cgris taft is a lottery pick, but I would say barring miracles, not for us.


let me tell you this, if we BYPASS Bynum, if we skip him, we will regret it. This is a kid with a 1180 SAT, a 3.6 GPA, a kid who graduated when he was 17. He's 7-1 285 with a 7-7 wingspan and his doctors think he still may grow a tad more. He showed great raw skills[no polished big men at 17!] these frikin guys dont grow on trees!
Just look at what Jom Calhoun said about the kid, he thinks he has higher potential than Ok4. To me that says a lot. there is no doubt in my mind right now, from what I have read, there is atleast 2 teams in the lottery that made overtures to get him into the draft at the last moment--why-because in 2-3 years, this is going to be pick 1 in the draft and a monster to deal with. 6-8 6-9 guys are a dime a dozen, we have 9 of them, this kid isnt. Isiah should be real cool, go into NJ and have him go through workouts, do the DD on the kid and the offer him 8 if he shuts up and workouts no more.
Dont be stupid here, dont try to be slick, get this kid and put him in the piggybank.

how many NY fans would be xcited just at the premise of getting a guy this big with the potential he has? I mean in reality, he could end up BPin draft./
People are saying trade 8 and TT for Al harrington, tradevereything we have for lamar odom, for goodness sakes, use your brains this kid is a monster with skills. no-brainer
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5/15/2005  12:18 AM
I am with Briggs on this one. Although I love guys like Warrick, Bynum is too promising in the future to pass up. If he doesn't work out, that will be hard to swallow, but it will be OK, b/c we took a risk on a skilled and athletic 7 footer. Those are the type of guys you take cheap risks on, at that age. No matter what, we will probably stink next year, especially if Marbury is as injured as some people might be implying. So if we can get a guy like that to develop with us, then it will all be worth it.

Again, Warrick will be good and I'd love a guy like him, but if Bynum is what you're talking about, then his ceiling is much much higher, and you have to take a risk on him for the future, unless of course, Bogut or Green become available magically.
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5/15/2005  12:29 AM
Again, I would take a chance at drafting a 7' over a promissing PF at this point. We have enough PFs on our roster, we don't need anymore of those...
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5/15/2005  11:36 AM
One thing I also like is that this guy needs to lose weight to get in shape, not gain weight. Thats important as far as whether he'll get any PT next year. With a big body they will be far more likely to give him a few minutes here and there than if he was some skinny 7 footer. I'd love it if we got him, but more and more he is seeming like a player who could be a franchise type talent and may not be around.

I agree Zeke should work him out privately and iff he likes what he sees have him shut it down with the promise of drafting him at #8.
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5/15/2005  11:46 AM
I think there are going to be some big time surprises in the draft order. Soem guys are gonna shoot up much higher than anticipated. We're gonna have good pickins at all 3 draft slots.

I'll tell you though I'm concerned about our backcourt. I could easily see H2O through and Penny as good as through, leaving us with Marbs and Craw and that's it. I see Reezy as more of a 3 than a 2.
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5/15/2005  3:21 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by PresIke:

Thanks for the link Briggs.

Ok, I'm close to being sold on this guy if he's available at 8. He's clearly not going to be ready to contribute much now, but the possibility of him helping us in some fashion down the road, whether it be on the court or as possible trade bait seems rather intriguing.

Most of these sources seem to imply that in 1-2 years he will be a top 5 pick. Well, if he's in the draft now then I agree that he's probably worth taking. We'll see what happens, but even if he's gone, those that made the assessment that it increases our chances of getting someone else we like appear to be dead on.

I agree except if Green is availableor Taft really dominates camp the way I think he will

let me give you this bit of information on Taft. I follow the BE VERY closely. I loved Taft when i first saw him last year, I really thought at many points last year that he had a real good chance at being a top3 pick this year. But something has gone foul on the way to the promised land for Chris. I still like his potential, but read--or yet go over and post on the PITT rivals board if you have a membership, and you will find out nuances of items that only people who follow real close will tell you. Like Taft was dominated quite a bit in practice by a slow 7 footer named AAron Gray, which is one of the big reasons his time was cut back. He did poorly in school, there were some character issues, lapses in intensity etc... with all that said, cgris taft is a lottery pick, but I would say barring miracles, not for us.


let me tell you this, if we BYPASS Bynum, if we skip him, we will regret it. This is a kid with a 1180 SAT, a 3.6 GPA, a kid who graduated when he was 17. He's 7-1 285 with a 7-7 wingspan and his doctors think he still may grow a tad more. He showed great raw skills[no polished big men at 17!] these frikin guys dont grow on trees!
Just look at what Jom Calhoun said about the kid, he thinks he has higher potential than Ok4. To me that says a lot. there is no doubt in my mind right now, from what I have read, there is atleast 2 teams in the lottery that made overtures to get him into the draft at the last moment--why-because in 2-3 years, this is going to be pick 1 in the draft and a monster to deal with. 6-8 6-9 guys are a dime a dozen, we have 9 of them, this kid isnt. Isiah should be real cool, go into NJ and have him go through workouts, do the DD on the kid and the offer him 8 if he shuts up and workouts no more.
Dont be stupid here, dont try to be slick, get this kid and put him in the piggybank.

how many NY fans would be xcited just at the premise of getting a guy this big with the potential he has? I mean in reality, he could end up BPin draft./
People are saying trade 8 and TT for Al harrington, tradevereything we have for lamar odom, for goodness sakes, use your brains this kid is a monster with skills. no-brainer

good post Briggs. I would still like to see Taft dominate camp but if he's getting beat by slower guys like you said than I would stay away. But I really like his size at a legit 6'10 260LBS. If he was 6'9 230 with the same problems I problably wouldn't even consider him.

But if GMs really think Bynum has the potential of being top 3 pick stud center and not another Bryant Reeves stiff then I would absolutely take him at 8 if the only reason he feel was because he is a major project.

I still like Green better because Bynum is just so young and bigs take longer to develop and I think Green's going to be special. I'm a little scared about drafting a center who is not a clear cut top 3 pick. I love Nene but I wouldn't take him over McGrady, Amare & Pierce.

I'm having a really hard time choosing between Bynum and Taft. It would be great if the Knicks work both of them out and have them go up against each other and compare their psychical abilities and basketball savyness.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 05/15/2005 15:24:19]
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5/15/2005  3:37 PM
I am sold on Bynum. But if he is this good, why would he has this much potential, why wouldn't another team take him?
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5/15/2005  3:52 PM
Posted by EwingsGlass:

I am sold on Bynum. But if he is this good, why would he has this much potential, why wouldn't another team take him?

Exactly what I'm getting at. If he's this good he will definitely go in the top 3 or 4. Teams draft on potential alone all the time when it comes to Centers just look at Kwame. It comes down to what he does in the workouts. If he last til around 8 and we draft him I will pray to good that he is not a stiff but I think I would have to do it with Green gone.
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5/15/2005  4:31 PM
He looks like a overweight Brendan Haywood.
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5/15/2005  11:54 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

He looks like a overweight Brendan Haywood.
LOL.

First I don't know that much about Bynum other than the McDonald's game. This is what bothers me about the draft process. Taft was top 3 last year and back in November was suppose to be a #1 for sure. Warrick was up there too and now he is way down. So now it makes more sense to take a project center over Taft. It is hard to keep up with the flava of the week with these drafts. If Bynum will that good then I say you have to take him but at this point who knows. Really I can't even get mad at Isiah for anyone he takes at this point. This draft should be label "High Risk, Maybe Good Reward".
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5/15/2005  11:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

He looks like a overweight Brendan Haywood.
LOL.

First I don't know that much about Bynum other than the McDonald's game. This is what bothers me about the draft process. Taft was top 3 last year and back in November was suppose to be a #1 for sure. Warrick was up there too and now he is way down. So now it makes more sense to take a project center over Taft. It is hard to keep up with the flava of the week with these drafts. If Bynum will that good then I say you have to take him but at this point who knows. Really I can't even get mad at Isiah for anyone he takes at this point. This draft should be label "High Risk, Maybe Good Reward".

exactly if Bynum really has the potential and the only thing holding him back is his age then he should be our pick. It comes down to how he looks in the workouts. If he looks impressive we draft him is he looks like a Big Country Reeves/Jerome James pre-weightloss-like Stiff than and Taft looks great than Taft is my guy! Taft is going to help us a lot sooner...bottomline!
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5/16/2005  7:35 AM
not all teams can afford or are willing to wait 2-3 years. To me it makes perfect sense.. even if he just sits while our mega PF conglomerate disolves in 2 years from now.
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5/17/2005  9:38 PM
Is there any chance Toronto would pass on him at #7? Last year, they drafted Arraujo (sp?) because they were convinced that they had to get the best available center so that they could move Bosh down to PF. Based on Arraujo's rookie year, I think they might still feel that getting a center is a big need. The fans up here in Toronto are definitely getting frustrated with losing (and Bosh seems to be too). They might want a player who's more ready to contribute right away.
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5/17/2005  9:41 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is there any chance Toronto would pass on him at #7? Last year, they drafted Arraujo (sp?) because they were convinced that they had to get the best available center so that they could move Bosh down to PF. Based on Arraujo's rookie year, I think they might still feel that getting a center is a big need. The fans up here in Toronto are definitely getting frustrated with losing (and Bosh seems to be too). They might want a player who's more ready to contribute right away.

It sounds like Toronto is not going to let Greene get by them and thats if Portland doesn't take him. I don't know what Portland is going to do, they have been spurned by alot of these highschool kids and I just can't see them going that route again. Taft might be the safe option for them but I hear they really in love with Martynes or however you spell his name. I think we'll have our choice of Bynum, Taft or Greene. I'm fine with any of them, especially Greene.
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5/18/2005  12:29 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is there any chance Toronto would pass on him at #7? Last year, they drafted Arraujo (sp?) because they were convinced that they had to get the best available center so that they could move Bosh down to PF. Based on Arraujo's rookie year, I think they might still feel that getting a center is a big need. The fans up here in Toronto are definitely getting frustrated with losing (and Bosh seems to be too). They might want a player who's more ready to contribute right away.

It sounds like Toronto is not going to let Greene get by them and thats if Portland doesn't take him. I don't know what Portland is going to do, they have been spurned by alot of these highschool kids and I just can't see them going that route again. Taft might be the safe option for them but I hear they really in love with Martynes or however you spell his name. I think we'll have our choice of Bynum, Taft or Greene. I'm fine with any of them, especially Greene.
Bynum is risk reward, but I like what Jim Calhoun said about him, about his work ethic, intelligence etc... of course he should go to school, that would be his best course of action, but once the process like this has started, well, is someone going to give up a lottery pick on him? Well, according to NBA history yes they will. hes very, very young, think about your own body at 17, not fully developed. If this kid works hard in the weight room, on agility and cardio,skills, well, you could be looking at a real franchise C. I mean he is literally a blank slate of 7-1 295 pounds and still growing in height. There is NO one in this draft like that, really uncomparable because hes 17, he could end up a muscular 7-2 1/2 315 with much more agility than Yao. I think his downside his Jerome James with a hard work ethic, whatever way you want to look at it, I believe even in a worst case scenario, he will have a nice role and the upside is 25 12+3 a night.
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5/18/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Is there any chance Toronto would pass on him at #7? Last year, they drafted Arraujo (sp?) because they were convinced that they had to get the best available center so that they could move Bosh down to PF. Based on Arraujo's rookie year, I think they might still feel that getting a center is a big need. The fans up here in Toronto are definitely getting frustrated with losing (and Bosh seems to be too). They might want a player who's more ready to contribute right away.

It sounds like Toronto is not going to let Greene get by them and thats if Portland doesn't take him. I don't know what Portland is going to do, they have been spurned by alot of these highschool kids and I just can't see them going that route again. Taft might be the safe option for them but I hear they really in love with Martynes or however you spell his name. I think we'll have our choice of Bynum, Taft or Greene. I'm fine with any of them, especially Greene.
Bynum is risk reward, but I like what Jim Calhoun said about him, about his work ethic, intelligence etc... of course he should go to school, that would be his best course of action, but once the process like this has started, well, is someone going to give up a lottery pick on him? Well, according to NBA history yes they will. hes very, very young, think about your own body at 17, not fully developed. If this kid works hard in the weight room, on agility and cardio,skills, well, you could be looking at a real franchise C. I mean he is literally a blank slate of 7-1 295 pounds and still growing in height. There is NO one in this draft like that, really uncomparable because hes 17, he could end up a muscular 7-2 1/2 315 with much more agility than Yao. I think his downside his Jerome James with a hard work ethic, whatever way you want to look at it, I believe even in a worst case scenario, he will have a nice role and the upside is 25 12+3 a night.


And lastly, even though Bynum has tremendous upside, I think he has to be valued as the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE at our spot, even if they have to use projection. If they feel a guy like Danny Granger etc.. truly is the BPA in our best short and long term interests, and he fits a certain style of play cool. All i ask is they do a serious, serious breakdown of this kid and not worry about short term repercussions. But if they feel he wont amount to a bag of beans, cool. You just dont want to bypass a guy like that and have it come smack you back. We have a lot of needs, we are short Gs that is for sure, and it would be great to get 19 from memphis and have a Rashad mccants fall there. Maybe they walk out of the draft with Danny Granger Wright and Gilchrist, who knows, just have a plan and dont worry about short term repercussions.
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5/18/2005  3:52 AM
I have no problem taking a player with the upside of Bynum at 8 in this draft. I think if we can come to terms with the fact that we have to be patient with him he can be a very good player for us. I have no problem picking someone for the long term...
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5/18/2005  1:29 PM
What are the chances of one of the first 7 teams to draft Bynum????
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